Remove Burning Blade Sniping

@magiczel

Personally, it was bad tactics on your part and it was a smart strategy for your opponent.

First off, you should have focused on sinking your opponent instead of the Burning Blade. The burning blade isn’t difficult to take down so you should have focused on taking down the crew who could steal the Burning Blade from you.

The whole concept of the Sea of Thieves is that anything can happen at any time and your treasure isn’t truly safe until it’s cashed in. It doesn’t matter who does the work. All that matters is who can claim the prize.

I hope this experience didn’t turn you away from the game. I have lost my share of treasure to the PvP community and I have also been lucky in several attempts as well.

@hefty-henri

Actually there is. Just use the same point measuring system that once existed in the Arena. In short, whoever lands the most hits gets priority.

Personally, the only modifications I would make to the Burning Blade is to double the value of the “Sword of Souls” for every OTHER crew except for the Burning Blade crew. As it stands now, any crew that sinks the Burning Blade only gets half of the ship’s value. It makes more sense to server hop and find an unclaimed Burning Blade.

If the crew of the Burning Blade loses their ship but can recover the sword don’t deserve the full value of the Burning Blade. Meanwhile if players can successfully take down a player controlled world event (which can be harder than any other world event) then they deserve the full value of the sunken Burning Blade. Personally they deserve to get more than the value of the Burning Blade but that’s what the emissary flag is for.

This mechanic already exists in the game as a grade 5 emissary flag sells for about 10,000 gold to other crews but is only worth 1 gold to the crew who had their ship sunk.

Its frustrating but then you learn that the it is the timing that is important of taking it over. Try it yourself

Stealing other player's efforrs is and always has been integral to the SoT experience, from the start.

It stings, but you pick yourself up, analyze your mistakes or their successes, learn and try to do better next time

I think the real problem is that you don't get the option to take over the Blade after sinking a player-controlled one. Meaning that the players who want to crew it are forced to play the luck game of whether they'll be the first ship to get to it, and quit the server when someone else takes it first. Then the BB only gets attacked by those that want the sinking/selling commendations, which is a smaller portion of PvP players.

In the case of the OP, another crew outplayed them to get the BB first. But the problem is that the OP has no hope to fix the scenario and take the Blade back... meaning there is really no point in trying to sink it if you're looking for certain commendations. I don't think that should be a thing, it places too much value on an incredibly small portion of the scenario.. Though, the TDMs on the sinking Burning Blade have been fun.

Then they got on via cannoning and stole our burning blade capture.

Stole. Flameheart doesn’t care, if they stole it from you, they earned it. It the way of the seas.

@magiczel Sorry bro but welcome to the realization that PVE Is a mug's game. Always has been. PVE players have always fronted the work, and PVP players have always been allowed to risk nothing to take the rewards. Theres a lot of noise around piracy and thievery and blah blah blah but really its all about the fact that the game was designed for "content creation" first and formost and PVE players are what the game had to offer up for streamers in the way of content since day one. PVP risk reward has always been cannonballed up the booty but that's what the devs wanted, and it spoiled the pvp centric players so bad they cried oceans of salty tears at the thought of PVE players not being available to use to turn shovels over for them. Moaned about gold being earned in Safer Seas, and then went on to exploit [mod edit] to make gold with the BB expolit.

Its just the bad design that led to a bad community, to be honest.

I saw my first Blade just the other night, Sailed over to one that appeared not taken at random to find a sloop had engaged it. 99.9% of the bad community of this game would have immediately attacked the sloop because it was already engaged. I helped the sloop take down the blade and sailed on. I'll get it some time I don't have to resort to letting other people start it just for me to step in late and try to lame it away from them. Not every player interaction has to be about players putting it up others bootys just because they can.

But then I come from before anything at all in the game ever referred to an "enemy" ship or pirate.

Having sniped like 4 burning blades it's a lot of fun, and definitely possible to counter. So no don't remove it.

@hefty-henri said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

@wallyscag1817 Good job in helping create a balance between PvE sailors getting ganked and also having positive experiences. I don't see being ganked as a negative experience really, but many of the PvE only sailors do. The real bad experiences in this game come from toxic idiots who will bully newbies, get on mic to spew gall, etc. It often feels great to do the opposite, dump my sessions loot onto a bewildered newbies ship and sail off, or just help them out with what they're doing. As long as Sea of Thieves can remain unpredictable like that for everyone, it will stay interesting

rodl spam, party invite spam ect ect, Not I, when I sink someone nary a peep, almost like I've done it a few times before or something :)

@fysics3037 said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

Having sniped like 4 burning blades it's a lot of fun, and definitely possible to counter. So no don't remove it.

"my fun is more important than anyone else's."

@wallyscag1817 it's not unfair for them if we out tdm them for 15 minutes then take it

@fysics3037 said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

@wallyscag1817 it's not unfair for them if we out tdm them for 15 minutes then take it

I didn't say anything about fairness.

@wallyscag1817 said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

@fysics3037 said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

Having sniped like 4 burning blades it's a lot of fun, and definitely possible to counter. So no don't remove it.

"my fun is more important than anyone else's."

Welcome to Sea of Thieves. You're going to be hard pressed to find many pirates who care about anyone but themselves and their own crew. They are out there, but finding them while trying to do core content is very unlikely.

That said, I think stealing the blade is 100% OK. Yeah it stinks when another crew does it before you when you thought you'd taken care of the threats, but it's part of the gameplay. If another crew can all manage to board and vote before your crew does, I think it's fair game. You say GG and go to a new server or move on to a different activity. Or you sink them and sell the sword.

@abjectarity said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

@wallyscag1817 said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

@fysics3037 said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

Having sniped like 4 burning blades it's a lot of fun, and definitely possible to counter. So no don't remove it.

"my fun is more important than anyone else's."

Welcome to Sea of Thieves. You're going to be hard pressed to find many pirates who care about anyone but themselves and their own crew. They are out there, but finding them while trying to do core content is very unlikely.

That said, I think stealing the blade is 100% OK. Yeah it stinks when another crew does it before you when you thought you'd taken care of the threats, but it's part of the gameplay. If another crew can all manage to board and vote before your crew does, I think it's fair game. You say GG and go to a new server or move on to a different activity. Or you sink them and sell the sword.

You're not telling me anything I don't know. I've been here since before there was such a thing in the game as an "enemy". I remember when there was actually no incentive at all to attack other players.

@wallyscag1817 said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

@abjectarity said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

@wallyscag1817 said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

@fysics3037 said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

Having sniped like 4 burning blades it's a lot of fun, and definitely possible to counter. So no don't remove it.

"my fun is more important than anyone else's."

Welcome to Sea of Thieves. You're going to be hard pressed to find many pirates who care about anyone but themselves and their own crew. They are out there, but finding them while trying to do core content is very unlikely.

That said, I think stealing the blade is 100% OK. Yeah it stinks when another crew does it before you when you thought you'd taken care of the threats, but it's part of the gameplay. If another crew can all manage to board and vote before your crew does, I think it's fair game. You say GG and go to a new server or move on to a different activity. Or you sink them and sell the sword.

You're not telling me anything I don't know. I've been here since before there was such a thing in the game as an "enemy". I remember when there was actually no incentive at all to attack other players.

Pre-release then, I guess.

People doing the forts (the only world event available) were fought over; people with loot on board were attacked since release.

@lem0n-curry said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

@wallyscag1817 said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

@abjectarity said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

@wallyscag1817 said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

@fysics3037 said in Remove Burning Blade Sniping:

Having sniped like 4 burning blades it's a lot of fun, and definitely possible to counter. So no don't remove it.

"my fun is more important than anyone else's."

Welcome to Sea of Thieves. You're going to be hard pressed to find many pirates who care about anyone but themselves and their own crew. They are out there, but finding them while trying to do core content is very unlikely.

That said, I think stealing the blade is 100% OK. Yeah it stinks when another crew does it before you when you thought you'd taken care of the threats, but it's part of the gameplay. If another crew can all manage to board and vote before your crew does, I think it's fair game. You say GG and go to a new server or move on to a different activity. Or you sink them and sell the sword.

You're not telling me anything I don't know. I've been here since before there was such a thing in the game as an "enemy". I remember when there was actually no incentive at all to attack other players.

Pre-release then, I guess.

People doing the forts (the only world event available) were fought over; people with loot on board were attacked since release.

I was yes, but I'm not saying people weren't attacked from day one. I remember "sleeping" in a bush on Sanctuary, and blunderbussing some poor dude 2 steps from the Order lady and turning in his fancy villainous skull, on day one. Still the game didn't refer to any pirate or ship as an "enemy" until years later. I was there at the 3 hour fights at forts, fighting for 3 hours over 15-20k gold is pretty wild by todays standards. Even back then people were exploiting their balls off tho, abusing the scuttle to be able to sail back with fresh supplies faster... what a boring slog it was sinking the same 4 or 5 boats over and over to claim a fort. So yea people attacked, but really there wasn't anything at all other than their own lack of imagination preventing them from teaming up with folks. Not like today after the game jumped the shark.