Has anyone else noticed the top 25% tier for the emissary ledgers this month 27 million for gh 30 million for athenas 31 million for merchants and its only 4 days into the ledger meaning the only way to unlock those cosmetics is to exploit the game rare need to get a handle on this it's literally making it impossible for organic players to progress
Emissary ledger is destroyed by exploits
@brotherbong3819
Hyperbole
You don't have to be #1 to get cosmetics for emissary, just top tier. Currently those are all sitting around 500k, except for Athena which is around 250k and Guilds which is at about 1.5m (I'm currently at 800k in my solo guild for perspective...lol not the top, but enough to get all the cosmetics
That being said: alliance servers broke the leaderboards a long time ago. You can still progresss, you just gotta let go of that gotta be #1 idea lol.
@pithyrumble that is still nearly 4 million for each emissary by the end of the month. Rare needs to address the exploits or suspend the ledger until they are patched.
Duping items that aren't intended to be duplicated is cheating, that's always been considered cheating in multiplayer games and people are free to reword it or dismiss/minimize it but it's cheating this environment as well.
It's too far gone in this game to get it under control. It's also too out in the open and obvious to act like it's some tiny part of what goes on around here.
Once it becomes stressful it's no longer worth it. People gotta make those decisions for themselves. No cosmetic/title is worth stressing out over and definitely not when the game is leaning more and more into cheesing/exploiting/cheating on the pve side of things.
It's ok to participate even if it has lost its significance
Games are meant to be fun, an escape from the stresses in the life, I wouldn't let this game become something else that causes stress and worry.
Cheesing this game used to mean that some event gave credit for 2 completions or they released new content that was high in rep so people would rush it until it was "balanced"
Now people are just flat out justifying, enabling, and dismissing full on cheating. That's as much on the community as anyone else. Extreme lack of accountability.
@pithyrumble it's still unnaturally inflated ergo harder to reach the top tiers through normal means.
I'm not proactively bothering with ledgers at the mo as messing with the new voyages etc but if I were trying for rewards it would be frustrating
@wolfmanbush said in Emissary ledger is destroyed by exploits:
Duping items that aren't intended to be duplicated is cheating, that's always been considered cheating in multiplayer games and people are free to reword it or dismiss/minimize it but it's cheating this environment as well.
It's too far gone in this game to get it under control. It's also too out in the open and obvious to act like it's some tiny part of what goes on around here.
That's a defeatist attitude, Rare can take all sorts of actions - including removal of exploits, removal of exploiters from Leader boards and their rewards &c. If they can't or won't, the leaderboards can even be removed completely.
Once it becomes stressful it's no longer worth it. People gotta make those decisions for themselves. No cosmetic/title is worth stressing out over and definitely not when the game is leaning more and more into cheesing/exploiting/cheating on the pve side of things.
It's ok to participate even if it has lost its significance
Games are meant to be fun, an escape from the stresses in the life, I wouldn't let this game become something else that causes stress and worry.
No reasons for Rare not to act on those.
Cheesing this game used to mean that some event gave credit for 2 completions or they released new content that was high in rep so people would rush it until it was "balanced"
Now people are just flat out justifying, enabling, and dismissing full on cheating. That's as much on the community as anyone else. Extreme lack of accountability.
It's on those of the community who exploit, Not the community as a whole.
@burnbacon said in Emissary ledger is destroyed by exploits:
Has anyone else noticed the top 25% tier for the emissary ledgers
Don’t pay attention to those. As long you still earn yours (and they don’t start adding, reach top 5 in ledger commendations). It all fine
People might have to scedule an extra session doing an Emissary to keep up with the exploited and thus inflated leaderboard. It's harming the people with more limited time than you or me. Rare has added all sorts of changes in the game for them, so they do care - IMHO it's time they added consequences of cheating / exploiting so the Leaderboards can also play a part in the SoT for for instance weekly players.
@lem0n-curry said in Emissary ledger is destroyed by exploits:
It's on those of the community who exploit, Not the community as a whole.
It's also on people that enable it. Which is a lot of people that might not be doing it themselves.
Acting like cheesing/exploiting/cheating is a harmless play style under "tools not rules" contributes to why inexperienced players think it's ok.
Telling inexperienced players that something is harmless and under the brand of "tools not rules" is worsening the environment for "fair play" and it's setting people up to travel a path that might lead them to getting in trouble at some point.
Rare is gonna do whatever Rare does whether we agree or disagree. It's on the community to draw the line to look out for new and inexperienced players.
The lack of consistency shown by people with a voice in the community in regards to pvp exploiting vs pve exploiting has been a major contributor to how extreme things have become.
Also, "drawing the line" means with clear communication and leadership from people with a voice in the community, don't target people in or out of game. Revenge and mistreatment are unacceptable, leadership in the community is what is needed. If anyone gets "taught a lesson" it should be through fair enforcement of ToS.
@pithyrumble you can't get into the top tier of the ledger without earning 30 million gold in 28 days I've honestly never struggled getting into the top 25% to unlock a cosmetic I was in top tier for every company last month but I didn't get 30million emissary value total let alone for a single trading company!
@burnbacon the 30 million is the minimum requirement for that cosmetic I don't have much left to unlock and the ledger is another progression scale that I'm being cheated out of by players duplicating loot as I mentioned in a previous post they need to remove sea forts from the quest table because its just way out of hand
@pithyrumble the admiral tier for merchant alliance is 30 million gold hoarders is 27 million that's the top 25% not top 1 percent I'm not looking at the leader board I'm looking at the minimum requirement to unlock a conmsmetic!
@brotherbong3819 said in Emissary ledger is destroyed by exploits:
@pithyrumble the admiral tier for merchant alliance is 30 million gold hoarders is 27 million that's the top 25% not top 1 percent I'm not looking at the leader board I'm looking at the minimum requirement to unlock a conmsmetic!
That's not correct. I'm only 27K outside of the Gold Hoarders top tier and I'm at 528,594.
Merchant Alliance is showing +460K for Admiral tier, and I'm currently at zero.
I think you are quoting the values for the #1 rank on each ledger.
@d3adst1ck mine was showing that 30 million number under the admiral tier for 3 separate companies I don't bother looking at leaderboards I was simply checking the requirement for the cosmetic unlock!
@mopwieldinghedgehog I'm looking at it right now commander tier is 461,775 admiral tier is 35,880,075 if I could ss it and upload it as proof I would please don't call me a liar because I'm just not!
@mopwieldinghedgehog gold hoarders marauder tier is 558,471 captain tier is 27,062,595
Athenas fortune guardian tier us 229,154 legend tier is 30,816,300
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@brotherbong3819 said in Emissary ledger is destroyed by exploits:
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If you have some position in the emissary you're showing here, you would see not the top positions of each rank but the gold you need to get to that level.
On the website they always show the latter: https://www.seaofthieves.com/leaderboards/MerchantAlliance/global
On your pic, if you would have more gold than the top value of commander, you would be in the Admiral rank (and get the reward shown).
Edit: actually you'll need more value than the person who is above the top Commander, but it gives you a ballpark figure.@brotherbong3819 said in Emissary ledger is destroyed by exploits:
@mopwieldinghedgehog I'm looking at it right now commander tier is 461,775 admiral tier is 35,880,075 if I could ss it and upload it as proof I would please don't call me a liar because I'm just not!
He's not calling you a liar, he's pointing out you're looking at the pic wrong / misinterpreted it
@lem0n-curry I've just sold a fruit crate with the flag up and checked again and I see where my misinterpretation was thanks!
@brotherbong3819 I am glad to read that you have resolved the misinterpretation. I prefer looking at the web-based leaderboards over the in-game ones because there are more viewing options. On the web-based version you can see all of the cut lines for the current month and the previous month, as well as see how you compare to your friends. The web-based leaderboards can be found here: https://www.seaofthieves.com/leaderboards/GoldHoarders/global
I sail solo sloop typically, and last month was the first time in a couple of years that I have sailed with emissary flags up. I ran the GH and OoS flags each three times to grade 5 and did the grade 5 quests along with random skelly sloops and megs. Each run took me between two and three hours IIRC, and for each emissary, I ended up in the bottom part of the top tier. I only mention this as an anecdotal reference to how many emissary runs you might need to do for each emissary to get to the top tier. At least for GH and OoS. I have not done the other ones, so cannot speak to them. Also, I was very inefficient in how I ran emissary because I kept repeating the easiest voyage (small island two treasure chest or one captain bounty) and sold after each voyage. So, you might be able to advance more quickly then I did.
My position and emissary value for last month is below along with the bottom cut line position for top tier, just for reference.
GH:
My position: 73,169; emissary value: 1,554,891
Last top tier position: 99,326; emissary value: 1,132,362OoS:
My position: 54,489; emissary value: 1,154,823
Last top tier position: 62,724; emissary value: 1,017,228The cut lines will shift up or down throughout the month based on activity, so you might need to periodically check your position if your are near a cut line.
Good luck out there!
@regiomontanus last ledger I was 2 million at least for each trading company my reapers bones ledger was 11.5 million
@soulstinger2k20 said in Emissary ledger is destroyed by exploits:
I lost out on my reaper lantern last cycle due to the ledger suddenly leaping ahead with this stuff. I know no one cares but I can say it affected me too.
The Reapers Bones ledger was 901,590 to get top bracket, it was pretty easy to do. And this month it will be easier since there is no new ledger reward and no community day weekend.
@soulstinger2k20 this is what I'm saying I checked the ledgers 3 days into the refresh and the lowest top position was already over 20million that's just impossible playing legit and it only causes problems for players that only have a limited time to play throughout the month it's not an issue for myself as I play the game almost every day but I see how it can effect people that don't have that luxury the main exploit is only effected by diving to a sea fort so I don't understand why rare haven't removed diving to sea forts from the voyage table as that would entirely fix the issue until they can implement an actual fix by coding keys to sea forts and making it so the storage room key doesn't spawn until the captain is killed its such a simple fix it makes me wonder if its actually an intended feature!
Im not proud of this, but we once took part in a server takeover that resulted in the creation of an alliance server. We didnt know it was morally wrong and kind of realised after playing on it for a few days. I am happy to say that the server died in a month.
Suprisingly one of the reasons why we quit was that it was gold deficient. This is some time ago, so there werent many gold sinks, but vaults existed. This is because the crews playing on it are quite bad, so when there was a bad crew on fotd duty, while having the fleet event stomp the world events crew. We were at worst making half the gold we otherwise would get from jumping servers and hunting reaper5s.
We were also rank 50 in 2 hours on the first day reapers bones released by only staying on one server, and sinking all the ships there.
In addition i have seen the notorious arena league sweats do reapers, that emissary ledger grew at an astounding rate, they sank people at will and looted like gods, with the old harpoon mechanincs.
I still blame alliance servers, but i think they only occupy some of the spots at the top.
@wujuwarrior1375 time to walk the plank naughty pirate. To the depths with you. shakes my head in shame of you…
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@cptclapz its not really an issue as you only need to get in top bracket while isn't even 1 million gold
@wolfmanbush obviously I do not condone this behaviour, but what do pirates do? Take advantage of everything they can. As long as these actions do not directly effect my progression... #bemorepirate
@ghost-of-ronin as the month goes on that value rises and with the sheer number of players exploiting sea forts it raises the value of the top 25% bracket as another player said ^^ he missed out on his lantern last month because the threshold had risen its most certainly an issue for some!
@cptclapz said in Emissary ledger is destroyed by exploits:
@ghost-of-ronin as the month goes on that value rises and with the sheer number of players exploiting sea forts it raises the value of the top 25% bracket as another player said ^^ he missed out on his lantern last month because the threshold had risen its most certainly an issue for some!
But its not exploited that did that. It's the many other reasons. New Ledger rewards, Community Weekend, and the fact that we can get levels again so people are actually grinding.
@wujuwa have you spent any amount of time hunting exploiters? Get yourself to reaper 5 and dive from server to server then try saying that it's not being made worse by players exploiting! There are so many players exploiting sea forts and cinder islet for fetchers rest keys it's just willfully ignorant to say it's being caused by playing organically you cannot make 35 million gold in emissary value in 5 days playing organic athenas fortune emissary 🤦
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