CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE

aaand the same post again lol

Wholeheartely agree though: The game needs a functional and working Report feature, now more then ever

I think the game should have an option to open an xbox cheater profile that can be reported. The messaging system on the site doesn't make sense because due to bad network code in the game cheaters change their nicknames to fake ones and the message is meaningless.
Yesterday I was playing against two cheaters who were flipping my ship and pushing it out of the zone. In doing so, each of them already had their curses open. And I couldn't find the profiles with those nicknames, so I conclude that the game needs a system that allows you to find and report profiteers.

@d3adst1ck sagte in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

@sebimihai11 said in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

This could make it easier for players to report cheating, and for the company to take action against cheating players in a more timely manner.

First part of the sentence is true, and I agree. It would make it easier to report cheaters.

Allowing the company to take action in a timely manner, I'm not so sure about. Due to it being easier to report, they are bound to get a much larger increase in volume of reports on everything from actual cheating to players who just killed them or took their loot. There will be considerable time spent sorting and throwing out garbage reports.

How well they can act on the actual valid reports will depend on how verbose their logging off reported incidents is but they likely won't be able to catch everything.

yes, sorting through that kind of things in an online multiplayer takes time, but, lets be real for a second: This is a basic service. Every online multiplayer that takes itself serious has one.
In SoT, for some reason, fanboys defend even the lack of most basic features. Like: "Thanks Rare, for not caring!" "How dare you guys point out flaws in my beloved company?!" - No. Its a basic service, we all pay for the game, it should be there.

@parrotlord6426 said in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

yes, sorting through that kind of things in an online multiplayer takes time, but, lets be real for a second: This is a basic service. Every online multiplayer that takes itself serious has one.
In SoT, for some reason, fanboys defend even the lack of most basic features. Like: Thanks for not caring! How dare you guys point out flaws in my beloved company?! - No. Its a basic service, we all pay for the game, it should be there.

I dunno, those "fanboys" are probably experienced users that have a very good idea about, and have experienced how Rare can operate, for better or for worse. It's a little wiser to set your expectations a little lower with Support, especially when players have showcased some awkward history with Support to false bans on usually non-hostile players that promote positivity to dismissing/presenting lack of action on "hacker/cheater" claims with solid evidence.

An in-game report system would mirror the upset that came from Minecraft introducing chat reporting. Give a complete softie the tools to make anyone they don't like disappear and they will do it with no hesitation. It's a double edged sword in terms of moderation, but usually, as long as you report to the right people with super solid evidence, action will be take against them within a week's time.

@d3adst1ck sagte in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

@parrotlord6426 I didn't say anything like that. Just that expecting an online report feature to make everything quicker is unrealistic.

An Ingame report feature is basic service. What about it is unrealistic

@wolfmanbush sagte in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

Whatever works for them in handling the reports is fine with me, they are the ones going through it all, not me

I will say that I was in sports and competition from being young into adulthood so I am no stranger to salt but I've never seen a saltier place than sea of thieves when it comes to handling competition. From random competition up to partners of the game, the flooding of baseless accusations will be significant as reporting becomes easier.

If they wanna deal with that, go for it.

you have never seen a saltier place? Clearly you dont play much online competitive. SoT is, true story, the most relaxed one i know. Every other one being it CS, Lol, DoTA Pubg, is saltier. by far

@nex-stargaze sagte in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

@parrotlord6426 said in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

yes, sorting through that kind of things in an online multiplayer takes time, but, lets be real for a second: This is a basic service. Every online multiplayer that takes itself serious has one.
In SoT, for some reason, fanboys defend even the lack of most basic features. Like: Thanks for not caring! How dare you guys point out flaws in my beloved company?! - No. Its a basic service, we all pay for the game, it should be there.

I dunno, those "fanboys" are probably experienced users that have a very good idea about, and have experienced how Rare can operate, for better or for worse. It's a little wiser to set your expectations a little lower with Support, especially when players have showcased some awkward history with Support to false bans on usually non-hostile players that promote positivity to dismissing/presenting lack of action on "hacker/cheater" claims with solid evidence.

An in-game report system would mirror the upset that came from Minecraft introducing chat reporting. Give a complete softie the tools to make anyone they don't like disappear and they will do it with no hesitation. It's a double edged sword in terms of moderation, but usually, as long as you report to the right people with super solid evidence, action will be take against them within a week's time.

If support issues a false bann, its really the Support at fault here. Noone else

@n0soup4u You are really lucky, dude! Trash talking is what I usually hear in South America, even from people of my nationality. Cheaters?! Just seach on youtube and you gonna find many newly uploaded videos. Coincidence or not?!

Do you know the problem of cheaters? It's hard to prove even with a video on SoT. So, we can only check the most obvious ones and we remain suspicious of many more. But it is what it is!

Unfortunately, Hard commendations + PvP on demand + Cool Skins + Connected World + Free Cheater + Game without Anticheater Software = Game with cheaters!

I'm still waiting news from this Link

My advice to you is: Try to relax and ignore situations where you suspect cheating.

@foambreaker There are some vocal individuals in the forum who try to discredit every debate with derailing. players skill, or assumed "loses" are very popular ones - even if they dont fitt at all, those strawmen are still implemented and then debated about.

@wolfmanbush sagte in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

@kayokgs said in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

@n0soup4u You are really lucky, dude! Trash talking is what I usually hear in South America, even from people of my nationality. Cheaters?! Just seach on youtube and you gonna find many newly uploaded videos. Coincidence or not?!

Do you know the problem of cheaters? It's hard to prove even with a video on SoT. So, we can only check the most obvious ones and we remain suspicious of many more. But it is what it is!

Unfortunately, Hard commendations + PvP on demand + Cool Skins + Connected World + Free Cheater + Game without Anticheater Software = Game with cheaters!

I'm still waiting news from this Link

My advice to you is: Try to relax and ignore situations where you suspect cheating.

or just report issues without the drama of spreading around narratives about the community.

Have you ever considered there could actually be some truth to it? Like, maybe once? But yeah, you would rather the people stay quiet and not complain about ongoing issues.

accusations like cheating accusations just make the place less pleasant to be around

Hackers make the place less pleasant to be around.
Developers who dont take action make the place less pleasant to be around.
But, yeah, Ill news is an ill guest, right? lol

I seem to realize that most of the people in this thread making a real big stink about these issues are the kinds of people that are not only pampered by better communities that are even smaller than this game's overall playerbase, but they're also people that live in echo chambers and forward narratives towards a hivemind.

It's one thing to say this cheating and hacking is an issue, it's something worse when you have to be aggressively annoying about it and making the nature of the community look more hostile than it seriously is. I don't know where you lot come from where throwing text tantrums at people you disagree with gets you far, but I think this unnecessary split needs to come to some understanding about the same issue, and calm the hell down about it.

@nex-stargaze "make the nature of the community look more hostile then it seriously is" - goes on to use an entire comment to wildly and randomly rant on every one whose opinion he doesnt share, implying that an entire group of people only wants bad things in the process, even shouting at people. wtg.
But for clearance: No, we dont want bad things. We want the matter adressed, with honesty

@wolfmanbush Oh but, we alrdy had this. You still act like people made random accusations without evidence. But we have evidence. You just ignore it xd
You also act like poeple made "blanked accusations" and "mass cheating accusations" - when in reality people simply form opinions based on their shared experience. There is nothing blank about it.

@wolfmanbush sagte in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

@parrotlord6426 said in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

@wolfmanbush Oh but, we alrdy had this. You still act like people made random accusations without evidence. But we have evidence. You just ignore it xd
You also act like poeple made "blanked accusations" and "mass cheating accusations" - when in reality people simply form opinions based on their shared experience. There is nothing blank about it.

I don't think they are random, I think that they are doing something that is common, focusing on bubbles of activity and making claims that go beyond what there is to examine. We all generalize, that's a part of discussion to some degree, but when it turns into serious accusations and labels against people it becomes harmful. Mostly unintentional harm in this case, it isn't people trying to cause damage for the most part, it's an effect of exaggeration within accusation.

Well, maybe there is some generalization to be done, maybe not every barrel role/TP/aimbot is an honest hack, maybe sometimes people are simply reaaally good in the game. Within the realm of possibilities, ofc.
But where do you think this comes from? And how do you think a community or company should deal with issues like that. Do you really think its helpful to simply play down the issue over and over again? I think not.
I think these speculations from the community originate in personal perception and lack of data, and lack of clearifying statements from the developer. Surely some people just shout "hacker" because they salty. But people have literally no other choice ( if they dont want to ignore the matter) then to voice their opinion in the forum. And thats all they do after all. Not even in a toxic, derogatory kind of way imho. But simply stating the issue, the experience and the frustration with it - how can this be judged upon? What would you rather have us do - use the report feature that is inconvenient, prohibits proof even though it asks for it (right now u cannot give attachments bigger then 1mb, how can I send a vid then), and most of the time is simply not working? The current report feature is simply not enough.
What can we do other then give feedback in a forum about feedback.

@wolfmanbush

1. Did you read my last comment? As of right now, you cannot even submit videos anymore, as the attachment limit is 1mb. And I for one do never get any feedback apart from "we will look into it" anyway. What kind of message should I take out of that?
2. "advertising cheats" - yeah, no, thats a bait. People who want to cheat do it anyway, regardless of debates in the forum. The only thing your suggestion leads to is refraining from talking about it. I fail to see where this is helpful. "Just not talk about it" - does not make the problem go away mate.
3. The individual incident: Yeah, this belongs together with No.1 - i cannot give proper report even if I wanted to, for nomerous reasons, I alrdy stated them for you in other posts, remember? I told you to write it down xd so I dont have to repeat it in the next thread...
4. I can lable things and people as "sus" however I like. Again, this kind of censorship you advertise here is not helpful in any way, imho. All this leads to is hackers having it even easier to get away

I dont want mass accusations either, but as far as I can see it the current system is not working mate. So all I can do is keep talking in the forums about it.

@wolfmanbush sagte in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

@parrotlord6426 said in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

@wolfmanbush

1. Did you read my last comment? As of right now, you cannot even submit videos anymore, as the attachment limit is 1mb. And I for one do never get any feedback apart from "we will look into it" anyway. What kind of message should I take out of that?
2. "advertising cheats" - yeah, no, thats a bait. People who want to cheat do it anyway, regardless of debates in the forum. The only thing your suggestion leads to is refraining from talking about it. I fail to see where this is helpful. "Just not talk about it" - does not make the problem go away mate.
3. The individual incident: Yeah, this belongs together with No.1 - i cannot give proper report even if I wanted to, for nomerous reasons, I alrdy stated them for you in other posts, remember? I told you to write it down xd so I dont have to repeat it in the next thread...
4. I can lable things and people as "sus" however I like. Again, this kind of censorship you advertise here is not helpful in any way, imho. All this leads to is hackers having it even easier to get away

You asked me what you could do. Offering a suggestion without any form of pressure isn't censorship.

For reporting video evidence you can use something like youtube or vimeo and can link it in the report.

Well, i dont see any suggestion other then "stop talking about it". Thats not helpful imo-
And again, I alrdy told you the problem/issue with uploading a video for proof. You didnt write it down, did you.

• You need to know how the plattform works
• you need to know how video recording works
• you need to maintain an account on the corresponding plattform
  You are asking paying customers to play unpaid freelancer for a company that doesnt care itself right now. Are you really believing people should do that? Is that your real honest, unbiased solution? People should put in hours of work to report, instead of the company creating a proper report tool?

@parrotlord6426 said in CHEATERS / REPORT FEATURE:

You are asking paying customers to play unpaid freelancer for a company that doesnt care itself right now. Are you really believing people should do that? Is that your real honest, unbiased solution? People should put in hours of work to report, instead of the company creating a proper report tool?

You lack patience and understanding and it shows.

In-game report features, while helpful, are also, as I mentioned earlier, a double edged sword. You will have scenarios where innocent players playing the game normally will get unfairly punished for simply playing the game, this is especially troublesome for games that have PvP combat mixed in with casual scenarios. Little Johnny isn't going to be happy they got sunk while trying to fight Briggsy for 20 minutes, and will not hesitate to report on sight because players like those are just simply playing the game, but not the way they want to.

Suggesting such features, while also presenting this hostile attitude towards the calmer, mentally healthy approach that Manbush has been trying to suggest, shows to me that you will be one of many people that could abuse this feature for your own ideal way of playing the game. That's just not right by any means.

As for the cheating issues and the lack of addressing: I think what you need to realize is that Rare already knows how widespread these issues are. They get discussed in many areas besides these forums, cheaters are an issue that is noticeably on a rise thanks to players recording their instances of battles with these lowlives. That being said, we have no idea what Rare is going to do about this issue, and in all honesty: we don't need to.

The one thing you DON'T want to do about addressing issues related to people hacking your software, is telling the public, or hell, even your insiders (which with its lack of real restriction on joining, it might AS WELL be public) that you're working on fixes for it. Any of these hackers lurking about will just pass that information along, and prepare to bypass whatever Rare does next. Anticheats will only work very temporarily, patching potential hacks is only temporary, without any way to carefully restrict how players make their Microsoft accounts just to play this game after purchasing it, these issues will continue to be rapid until Rare just might have to give up.

That being said, we're still in the December-January rot, the devs have not been in office for two weeks due to the recent holidays, and assumedly, they've been in their offices for the past two weeks working on updates/fixes for Season 8, future season content, the upcoming and future adventures, the next mystery, next set of emporium cosmetics, future events, etc. This game still needs to continue to pump out content, and I'm sure the bug fixing team has more than enough work ahead of them to handle these cheating issues.