"Farming Losses, come take our stuff"

@axecaliburtv Note: They are getting better matchmaking times because they aren't on a winning streak not because the game is lowering their skill rating. That doesn't appear to even happen (speculation) I have only a note saying I have going up in skill one time. I have never seen it go up. I am at like 1 win to 5 losses for a ratio. I have never been matched up with anyone on a kill streak higher than maybe 1.

The Rare Devs told streamers "sell your hour glass after 4 wins to improve match making times" this tells us as speculated the match making system takes kill streak into account more than skill level. Which in a way makes sense as you are either exploiting or are on a good crew if your kill streak is high. That being said I have run into people lvl 100 over and over again. Even back to back. So how was I at about lvl 20 running into lvl 100s ? their boat didn't look much more glowy. Their emissary grade was never maxed indicating they had 2 wins in a row. So are they sailing back and turning in their hourglass to not lose out on the rep? are they just leaving the game and requeing asap for faster que times by not going for streaks?

I don't know exactly how more more exp gains are for streaks as I haven't watched any videos of people playing this mode but if the que time is so long for higher streaks it might be faster to farm 1 win at a time and reload your game vs trying to go for big hand ins. Seem kill streak is probably way more gold gain than it is rep gain which is counter intuitive. The number of people wearing the curse I am running into now and they are just farming 1 win at a time never streaks so that must mean its the faster path right?

Also match making is 100% region locked so that will also impact your que time. Have fun getting to know the other crews by name though.

@wcpsycho said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

Anyone else annoyed by the people cheating to get their rewards faster than just doing it the normal way and train ingame to do better?

I don't think it's cheating or faster, but I am annoyed by it. People take new mechanics and find ways to engage them that goes against the spirit of the update. To me, this is the same as DPI switching or animation canceling etc.. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. "Tools not rules" blah blah blah. Sure, you're free to what you'd like, but I'm also free to think y'all are super lame for doing it.

@pithyrumble said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@hiradc

You're still earning it tho. Even if a chest of Legends was given to you, negotiating happened. Some players are appreciative for the odd help.

"Earning it". If that's what y'all need to tell yourselves to feel good about it.....

@hiradc said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@pithyrumble that seems kinda sad, like i respect the science but it's equivalent to people who get legendary thief by passing chests amongst an alliance. Personally cannot understand any of the mentality of showing off something you haven't earned, to each their own though I guess.

Such BS. Most people doing it this way don't do this to 'show off' because they are mostly PVE people that tend to themselves.

Most of these people just want to see the hideouts, the new zones, new NPC's, see the curse animations and hear the new songs/music when the curse is awarded. That is the actual 'content' that has been added to the game for a whole season for the next months. All the other things is just existing stuff repackaged with a fancy 'matchmake button' on the ship table and an animated loading screen.

@wolfmanbush said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@hiradc said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@pithyrumble that seems kinda sad, like i respect the science but it's equivalent to people who get legendary thief by passing chests amongst an alliance. Personally cannot understand any of the mentality of showing off something you haven't earned, to each their own though I guess.

No it's not

it's like a person getting the title by sinking inexperienced pvers that did an athena/fotd

which is what much of the pvp content has been in this game for years

People are trying to put these odd obligations on people when the game has a history of some of the cheesiest pvp of any game, because of the massive skill gap and shared environment between different preferences. Something that matchmaking hasn't yet done much about.

By odd obligations, do you mean we expect people to play the system the way it was intended instead of finding loopholes?

Honestly, I shouldn't even have engaged this post. Y'all keep on cheesing on.

@wolfmanbush said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@danbeardluff said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@wolfmanbush said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@hiradc said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@pithyrumble that seems kinda sad, like i respect the science but it's equivalent to people who get legendary thief by passing chests amongst an alliance. Personally cannot understand any of the mentality of showing off something you haven't earned, to each their own though I guess.

No it's not

it's like a person getting the title by sinking inexperienced pvers that did an athena/fotd

which is what much of the pvp content has been in this game for years

People are trying to put these odd obligations on people when the game has a history of some of the cheesiest pvp of any game, because of the massive skill gap and shared environment between different preferences. Something that matchmaking hasn't yet done much about.

By odd obligations, do you mean we expect people to play the system the way it was intended instead of finding loopholes?

Honestly, I shouldn't even have engaged this post. Y'all keep on cheesing on.

my wins are about 15 minutes and my losses are on the low end 30 minutes and on the high end over an hour. Tanking fights isn't for me. How I do things isn't a requirement for others nor should they feel shamed for their way to approach their fights.

I was asked for an opinion, I gave an opinion. If people read what I wrote and feel shame for throwing fights and thus actually try, I consider that a win. Though I doubt anyone actually cares :p

@wolfmanbush

Those that are losing are putting in the effort and time, like everyone else.

@danbeardluff said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@wolfmanbush

Those that are losing are putting in the effort and time, like everyone else.

This happens in every game.

I bought Battlefield 2042 for 15 euros in a sale and joined one of those hundreds of XP farming servers where groups of people fly for 25 minutes in a helicopter while capping points. You get 15 000 XP per AFK round this way. And everybody does it. Why? Because I just want to play the game with most stuff unlocked so I can compete and customize from the start instead of playing in way I don't like with weapons I don't like and abilities I don't want.

Call Of Duy this weekend also had glitches where people could max level their weapons in 1 minute. They had to rush patch on Thanksgiving because everyone was doing it

So why do people do this: every game has 'progression systems' these days and gaming for most developers has been 'filling progress bars for user engagement numbers' instead of playing the game. I used to love progression systems and unlocks but these days I would rather throw 25 euros at it instead. But with battle passes even that has been filling a progress bar before unlocking stuff you paid for. It is maddening.

As for SOT, I am losing too while working or watching YouTube/Netflix. The second I have my stuff I can finally play the way I like playing instead of boosting 'PVP engagement numbers' by forcing me to play a specific way to get rewards that have nothing to do with PVP at all mechanically.

If I come across you when giving you a win, I will say Hi :D

(And don't get me started about all those people having to leave their PC on mute, low quality 'watching' hours of Twitch and wasting planet energy because they have to fill reward bars so that publishers can post how big their engagement and view count numbers are. Or do you actively watch every second with full attention so you feel your cosmetic Twitch reward is fully deserved and earned? )

@licenturion said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@danbeardluff said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@wolfmanbush

Those that are losing are putting in the effort and time, like everyone else.

This happens in every game.

I bought Battlefield 2042 for 15 euros in a sale and joined one of those hundreds of XP farming servers where groups of people fly for 25 minutes in a helicopter while capping points. You get 15 000 XP per AFK round this way. And everybody does it. Why? Because I just want to play the game with most stuff unlocked so I can compete and customize from the start instead of playing in way I don't like with weapons I don't like and abilities I don't want.

Call Of Duy this weekend also had glitches where people could max level their weapons in 1 minute. They had to rush patch on Thanksgiving because everyone was doing it

So why do people do this: every game has 'progression systems' these days and gaming for most developers has been 'filling progress bars for user engagement numbers' instead of playing the game. I used to love progression systems and unlocks but these days I would rather throw 25 euros at it instead. But with battle passes even that has been filling a progress bar before unlocking stuff you paid for. It is maddening.

As for SOT, I am losing too while working or watching YouTube/Netflix. The second I have my stuff I can finally play the way I like playing instead of boosting 'PVP engagement numbers' by forcing me to play a specific way to get rewards that have nothing to do with PVP at all mechanically.

If I come across you when giving you a win, I will say Hi :D

(And don't get me started about all those people having to leave their PC on mute, low quality 'watching' hours of Twitch and wasting planet energy because they have to fill reward bars so that publishers can post how big their engagement and view count numbers are. Or do you actively watch every second with full attention so you feel your cosmetic Twitch reward is fully deserved and earned? )

If you come across me, i'll refuse to engage you and wait till you get bored enough to scuttle or run out of bounds.

@grog-minto said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@sweetsandman Or they can just find a random keg, or just bump against rocks or Islands. There is no way to counter that except boarding them, keeping them afloat and spawncamping them til they're out of bound (the loser get no allegeance that way I reckon).

Sounds like a plan!

@wolfmanbush said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@danbeardluff said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@grog-minto said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":
Or they can just find a random keg, or just bump against rocks or Islands. There is no way to counter that except boarding them, keeping them afloat and spawncamping them til they're out of bound (the loser get no allegeance that way I reckon).

Sounds like a plan!

saving an opponent's ship to camp the players to get them out of bounds so they don't get rep?

So you don't have a problem with cheesing allegiance through losses, but controlling an enemies ship to sail them out of bounds for a win is where you draw the line? That makes sense.

@wolfmanbush said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

@danbeardluff said in "Farming Losses, come take our stuff":

So you don't have a problem with cheesing allegiance through losses, but controlling an enemies ship to sail them out of bounds for a win is where you draw the line? That makes sense.

One is within the design of the game and rules and one could be interpreted to be a violation of the rules.

When a person gets to the point of saving a ship to camp and to try to ruin something for another it typically doesn't go well for them in the long run.

I'm sorry, how can you claim one of these is by design and the other isn't? Are people getting banned for securing sinks via running people out-of-bounds. Spoiler, they aren't. It's not even cheesing, it's just winning more efficiently :p