Double gun exploit.

LOL this has been in the game forever and there’s still a hard coded delay between shots. Cmon man.

Double gunning needs to go, and should never have been in the game at all.

It's a pirate game. It should be duels to the death with sword primary, and a gun as a secondary.

Instead we have CoD where people have sniper primary and pistol secondary.

@personalc0ffee said:

...there are still ways to shoot faster than intended.

No there aren't.

They need to force that delay

They already did.

The only thing animation cancelling allows anymore is to ADS faster. Not shoot faster. You can ADS as quickly as you want, you're not getting by that delay.

I've offered this multiple times on the forum before, but I've got an easy $300 USD to anyone who can prove they can bypass the hardcoded firing delay between shots. Just DM me.

Let's see some proof of this magical quickswap.

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@paparug420 you have to be actively delusional to believe that swordplay in sot isnt just m1 spam at your target while jumping around as much as you can
90% of sword users probably dont even know blocking exists

Should just force 1 sword + 1 gun imo

that would also open the path for different swords to be added with different benefits such as sabre, cutlass, rapier etc to go along with the choice of gun.

@abbkhl4 meh, if double gunning was removed they could actually have room to improve sword combat by penalizing players for spamming.

Fatigue, small stun for missed swings, there is a lot of ways they could improve and add depth to the sword combat.

But with double gunning being the way it is, the sword needs all the crutches it currently has

@paparug420 Pirates carried 9 guns. Arguing realism in a game where mangos heal bullet wounds and sword slashes. You love to see it.

@cramp Where did I mention the word realism??

@meroviel :(

@illbushido305 said in Double gun exploit.:

@reapinglegion said in Double gun exploit.:

@paparug420 said in Double gun exploit.:

Double gunning needs to go, and should never have been in the game at all.

It's a pirate game. It should be duels to the death with sword primary, and a gun as a secondary.

Instead we have CoD where people have sniper primary and pistol secondary.

What you said brother.

A type of exploit still exists in the game.

Heres a video of it that explains it and yes it still exists in the game, this is what all "HC" doublegunners do and i encounter them alot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bWncUMt_9M&ab_channel=Low

That’s not an exploit though. The ability to sprint in order to cancel the wield animation was intentionally added and added to patch notes about two years ago for guns and the cutlass. It was done because people couldn’t get their cutlass or gun out in time in the heat of a battle due to the animation. The sprint cancel addition solved this when they added it but people who haven’t seen the patch notes from when it was added think it’s an exploit and don’t use it. Double gunners simply use it when equipping the second weapon to get a shot off slightly faster. It is nowhere near as fast as it was back before when there wasn’t an animation at all. Pulling it off properly requires practice and precise timing combined with good aim. It’s already uncommon that someone actually uses effectively in fights let alone the vast majority runs a cutlass load out which can very easily counter two guns if used properly. If you simply follow a good double gunner around in a straight line with a sword just swinging the basic attack, chances are you will be sent to the ferry quickly as those aren’t difficult shots to land. Even with a cutlass, you can do a three hit combo and do the sprint cancel and shoot the enemy after you knock them back. YouTuber and Sea of Thieves partner blurbs does a lot of cutlass videos for anyone who needs the practice with general sword maneuvers and dodge tactics for heated combat. Definitely would recommend watching him if anyone is interested.

It is an exploit.

I know the patch you are talking about and the reason why they added it.

Players were unable to pull out the weapon that they had already had OUT after a sprint. So they fixed it by having the animation delay removed for weapons you already had in your hand.

Using sprint to cancel the animation when swapping weapons is an exploit because players are using the mechanic in an unintended way.

If you are swapping weapons you are suppose to have a delay, sprint cancel removes that delay, ergo its an exploit.

@illbushido305 said in Double gun exploit.:

@xultanis-dragon said in Double gun exploit.:

@illbushido305 said in Double gun exploit.:

@reapinglegion said in Double gun exploit.:

@paparug420 said in Double gun exploit.:

Double gunning needs to go, and should never have been in the game at all.

It's a pirate game. It should be duels to the death with sword primary, and a gun as a secondary.

Instead we have CoD where people have sniper primary and pistol secondary.

What you said brother.

A type of exploit still exists in the game.

Heres a video of it that explains it and yes it still exists in the game, this is what all "HC" doublegunners do and i encounter them alot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bWncUMt_9M&ab_channel=Low

That’s not an exploit though. The ability to sprint in order to cancel the wield animation was intentionally added and added to patch notes about two years ago for guns and the cutlass. It was done because people couldn’t get their cutlass or gun out in time in the heat of a battle due to the animation. The sprint cancel addition solved this when they added it but people who haven’t seen the patch notes from when it was added think it’s an exploit and don’t use it. Double gunners simply use it when equipping the second weapon to get a shot off slightly faster. It is nowhere near as fast as it was back before when there wasn’t an animation at all. Pulling it off properly requires practice and precise timing combined with good aim. It’s already uncommon that someone actually uses effectively in fights let alone the vast majority runs a cutlass load out which can very easily counter two guns if used properly. If you simply follow a good double gunner around in a straight line with a sword just swinging the basic attack, chances are you will be sent to the ferry quickly as those aren’t difficult shots to land. Even with a cutlass, you can do a three hit combo and do the sprint cancel and shoot the enemy after you knock them back. YouTuber and Sea of Thieves partner blurbs does a lot of cutlass videos for anyone who needs the practice with general sword maneuvers and dodge tactics for heated combat. Definitely would recommend watching him if anyone is interested.

It is an exploit.

I know the patch you are talking about and the reason why they added it.

Players were unable to pull out the weapon that they had already had OUT after a sprint. So they fixed it by having the animation delay removed for weapons you already had in your hand.

Using sprint to cancel the animation when swapping weapons is an exploit because players are using the mechanic in an unintended way.

If you are swapping weapons you are suppose to have a delay, sprint cancel removes that delay, ergo its an exploit.

And the patch intentionally added the ability to remove the delay. It’s literally written in the build notes for when it was added in the combat changes section. It specifically said that when sprinting there would be no wield animation. I don’t understand how people think it’s an exploit when it was added intentionally. You said that it is for weapons equipped and that’s why to do it you need to switch weapon after shooting and then sprinting after you equip the second weapon. If you consider having the muscle memory to do something faster than others to be an exploit then I simply don’t know what to tell you mate.

@illbushido305 its most likely been reported anyway. been hearing the use of stop spreading misinformation about of late with no solid proof that it's misleading. People say a lot to twist what is false from truth and i notice that those explaining its on thin air. some is just opinionated, everyone has the right to have a opinion, but just say, no or you're wrong, which objects to a opinion they don't like and can't be reason with.

The classic who's right and who's wrong and there sadly no winner there.

@illbushido305 said in Double gun exploit.:

@xultanis-dragon said in Double gun exploit.:

@illbushido305 said in Double gun exploit.:

@reapinglegion said in Double gun exploit.:

@paparug420 said in Double gun exploit.:

Double gunning needs to go, and should never have been in the game at all.

It's a pirate game. It should be duels to the death with sword primary, and a gun as a secondary.

Instead we have CoD where people have sniper primary and pistol secondary.

What you said brother.

A type of exploit still exists in the game.

Heres a video of it that explains it and yes it still exists in the game, this is what all "HC" doublegunners do and i encounter them alot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bWncUMt_9M&ab_channel=Low

That’s not an exploit though. The ability to sprint in order to cancel the wield animation was intentionally added and added to patch notes about two years ago for guns and the cutlass. It was done because people couldn’t get their cutlass or gun out in time in the heat of a battle due to the animation. The sprint cancel addition solved this when they added it but people who haven’t seen the patch notes from when it was added think it’s an exploit and don’t use it. Double gunners simply use it when equipping the second weapon to get a shot off slightly faster. It is nowhere near as fast as it was back before when there wasn’t an animation at all. Pulling it off properly requires practice and precise timing combined with good aim. It’s already uncommon that someone actually uses effectively in fights let alone the vast majority runs a cutlass load out which can very easily counter two guns if used properly. If you simply follow a good double gunner around in a straight line with a sword just swinging the basic attack, chances are you will be sent to the ferry quickly as those aren’t difficult shots to land. Even with a cutlass, you can do a three hit combo and do the sprint cancel and shoot the enemy after you knock them back. YouTuber and Sea of Thieves partner blurbs does a lot of cutlass videos for anyone who needs the practice with general sword maneuvers and dodge tactics for heated combat. Definitely would recommend watching him if anyone is interested.

It is an exploit.

I know the patch you are talking about and the reason why they added it.

Players were unable to pull out the weapon that they had already had OUT after a sprint. So they fixed it by having the animation delay removed for weapons you already had in your hand.

Using sprint to cancel the animation when swapping weapons is an exploit because players are using the mechanic in an unintended way.

If you are swapping weapons you are suppose to have a delay, sprint cancel removes that delay, ergo its an exploit.

And the patch intentionally added the ability to remove the delay. It’s literally written in the build notes for when it was added in the combat changes section. It specifically said that when sprinting there would be no wield animation. I don’t understand how people think it’s an exploit when it was added intentionally. You said that it is for weapons equipped and that’s why to do it you need to switch weapon after shooting and then sprinting after you equip the second weapon. If you consider having the muscle memory to do something faster than others to be an exploit then I simply don’t know what to tell you mate.

Just because the mechanic itself was added intentionally doesn't mean that players won't use it unintentionally. It happens all the times and we call those exploits.

The delay was added originally to stop double gunning. However, the delay affected more than just double gunning.

The delay was added so that it would cause a delay with players trying to swap weapons, but it affected any animation where a player would bring out their weapon, even ones they already had in hand.

So the delay was removed for players after they sprinted for weapons they were holding.

Example of intended cause and intended use -

First change - Holding the sword, you sprint upto the enemy to hit them with the sword, there was a delay when bringing up the sword. (again on a weapon you were already holding.

Intended change - Holding the sword, sprinting up to the enemy and your sword is active and available after sprinting.

Unintended consequence - Holding the sword, swap to sniper, sprint to cancel delay, pull out sniper without delay - exploit.

How do I know for a fact that this is an exploit??

They implemented a HARD delay into the guns because of the unintended consequence of their fix of a fix.

Sorry broski, yes they implemented the removal of the delay after sprinting but sprint cancel was the unintended outcome. Its an exploit they don't know how to fix yet or they think the hard delay is good enough. Still an exploit.

SIDE NOTE - Just because players gain muscle memory to use an exploit doesn't mean its an exploit. They added a hard delay because players were using the sprint cancel for immediately double gun. They added the hard delay WAAAAAY later when they finally figured out how to fix it. If it wasn't an exploit then why did they have to add a hard delay to the gun shots??