@jonahgrimm sagte in [Mega Thread] PvP and PvE Playstyle Discussion:
IMO - If you engage in only one aspect of the game, you are not playing it as intended. PVP server hoppers looking for people to fight are just as to blame as PVErs who hop looking for peaceful sailing experiences. PVPVE is exactly the point. To the point -that PVPers saying "You shouldn't be allowed to run so that I have better fights" are just as problematic as the PVEr saying "I should never have to fight."
fully agree and i say so for years!
But we have the extreme players who stubbornly say i play like i want and all this.
Like i still try to roleplay a CS Match, but nobody hear me :D
I would suggest that any 'fix' should be directed at two simple concepts:
- When you sink a PVEr, they shouldn't lose everything. Mechanically, the game already tracks whether you were the first person to touch loot or not; why not give half the value to the fellow who touched it first, as long as they're on the same server as when it's sold? This solves two problems: the PVE player doesn't leave the server emptyhanded after a bad experience, and the world-event-doer has incentive to at least get it done, as the loot has significant value.
The problem is, the pure PvPers will sink you and spawnkill you until you quit your session and if not he wont sell your loot, because he knows you still get rewarded.
See the serious exagerating PvPer dont want you to get anything, but teach you a lesson!
I call this attitude already toxic, but i'm oldsql and i have outdated moral values for playing videogames in 2020.
If Rare disallows serverhopping, these playstyles cannot exist and just vanish.
All playstyles, also the grinders in adventure who discard journeys to get only this or that kind of journey and all who hop servers to tweak their session and have control over things that arent meant to be under players control and therefore are random - e.g.active event, athena missions, merchant missions etc... - would be not possible anymore.
Rare fears the players raging about that, but it is what makes people not playing a pirate adventure, but game the system.
And all the regular playing PvEvP Pirate Adventurers suffer from it this or that way.
They meet less friendly and trustworthy cooperators, because they aren't in the pool, they meet more often than it should be overly aggressive pirates who just want to "ruin your day" and make you quit the session or to play the game for today or even forever.
I dont have problems with the events like they are, its group content and you can see ships aproaching and stop doing the PvE event and prepare to defend it.
In year one it was the most fun to defend forts against agressors for me and my crew and we were mostly successfull and we were always sad when nobody was coming for us. We fought of multiple ships at once.
Events attract PvP.
Everybody should know that, when he starts one.
I'm fine with it.
Reminder: There is absolutely no way to practice effectively in adventure mode. If you're a PVPer and you're up against a new player, or even someone who isn't who just hasn't had many encounters? You are not making their day more fun. They have zero incentive to fight you - you brought no treasure, you're better supplied, have better skills, and their experience is akin to a kitten getting mauled by a steamroller. OF COURSE they're not going to be happy with that! How is that fun?
"Git good" doesn't make up for the frustration of the loss - so lessen the frustration of the loss, and I suspect you'll lessen calls for the losses to be removed entirely.
Good point. Arena was the biggest mistake Rare could ever have done. I still think Microsoft is to blame here and they forced it because of money and we all know Arena is not made by Rare or the core SoT Team, but from another studio afaik.
they gave these emapthless PvPers a tool to find out all the glitches and actually practicing to shoot in quick succession etc. and DGE and even more bad exploits.
I cant say other but I HATE ARENA!
I'm a sandbox PvPer, but still i also play online PvP Arena FPS games.
But SoT Arena is.... ok this would be go to far.
It opened up for tons of problems and mainly for that PvE versus PvP split!