Quick Switch now from ban?

they are probably a patch or two away from quick swap being completely irrelevant because of how inefficient the method will be, as far as exploiting goes

and anything on the cheating end is already bannable

@ixxxoloff said in Quick Switch now from ban?:

The mechanics of the game are poorly done. Using the mechanics is not cheating.

Using an unintended mechanic is called an 'exploit' and is very much cheating.

banning someone for a developer created problem would be outragious. they created a skill gap by adding a weapon delay in the first place. people quickly learned how to bypass it via animation canceling then rare ignored this exploit for years. now they are trying to rectify this situation in a way to little way too late approach. they could have spent these years working on combat 2.0 which would have been a much better choice. rework damage across the board so its not possible to get what feels like a "cheap death"

the main problem here is it feels bad to be 1 shot. yet blunderbus still 1 shots. a canon to the face 1 shots (rightfully so but still feels bad, or hilarious depending on situation)

if they were to ban someone for their own neglect they should just retire the game altogether.

dont hate the player, hate the game as they say. sot has always been a sandbox with very few rules. "tools not rules" as they used to love to say. sword lunge jump is technically an exploit. its not something they intended to happen. lunging into water giving a speed boost also not intentional. but they lunging into water at least they thought of as a fun little thing players discovered. lunge jumping however is more of an exploit but its also been in since day1. quick swap was turned on by default from day1 since weapon delay never existed.

in the industry developers tend to over think somethings and create solutions to problems that didnt exist. in other cases they come up with what they think is a good solution but ends up being worse.

trying to fix quick swap is just a bandaid to the larger issue. keep working on fixing that... fine but in the meantime lets also work on combat 2.0 so the games combat can feel more natural and fluid vs the clunky mess it has become. scale damage so players are a bit more resilient to attacks while ai creatures still feel good to kill (less tanky) this would also help with pve damage as cheap as it can feel to have a player double tap you how cheap does it feel to have 5 skeletons spawn with guns and all 5 tap you in a second? i remember shooting out of canons early on and sniper skeletons with their 100% accuracy would ping you midflight and sniper had a knock back effect so it would halt your flight dropping you in the water with 10% hp left

@keylessword4029 said in Quick Switch now from ban?:

banning someone for a developer created problem would be outragious. they created a skill gap by adding a weapon delay in the first place. people quickly learned how to bypass it via animation canceling then rare ignored this exploit for years. now they are trying to rectify this situation in a way to little way too late approach. they could have spent these years working on combat 2.0 which would have been a much better choice. rework damage across the board so its not possible to get what feels like a "cheap death"

the main problem here is it feels bad to be 1 shot. yet blunderbus still 1 shots. a canon to the face 1 shots (rightfully so but still feels bad, or hilarious depending on situation)

if they were to ban someone for their own neglect they should just retire the game altogether.

dont hate the player, hate the game as they say. sot has always been a sandbox with very few rules. "tools not rules" as they used to love to say. sword lunge jump is technically an exploit. its not something they intended to happen. lunging into water giving a speed boost also not intentional. but they lunging into water at least they thought of as a fun little thing players discovered. lunge jumping however is more of an exploit but its also been in since day1. quick swap was turned on by default from day1 since weapon delay never existed.

in the industry developers tend to over think somethings and create solutions to problems that didnt exist. in other cases they come up with what they think is a good solution but ends up being worse.

trying to fix quick swap is just a bandaid to the larger issue. keep working on fixing that... fine but in the meantime lets also work on combat 2.0 so the games combat can feel more natural and fluid vs the clunky mess it has become. scale damage so players are a bit more resilient to attacks while ai creatures still feel good to kill (less tanky) this would also help with pve damage as cheap as it can feel to have a player double tap you how cheap does it feel to have 5 skeletons spawn with guns and all 5 tap you in a second? i remember shooting out of canons early on and sniper skeletons with their 100% accuracy would ping you midflight and sniper had a knock back effect so it would halt your flight dropping you in the water with 10% hp left

Except literally every game since the start of the internet has had exploits, which developers have said people will be banned for.
Rare is not some outlier in this case. And yet people who abuse it always cry that they're the victims when they abuse something they were told not too.

@jon-sea-nah said in Quick Switch now from ban?:

I find this whole argument entertaining. Here is why.

If you go find another pirate to test this on. Find a pirate on the seas, give him a pineapple. Tell him to eat the pineapple as soon as first hit registers. Before he can eat, WITHOUT QS, just standing still. You will shoot the pirate with the EOR and before he can eat you’ll kill him with the next shot, pistol or blunder. That is with NO QS. So if standing still I can still kill your pirate with a 2 tap, what seems to be so OP about the QS?

I get it, it’s gone, never used it. THIS THIS is why I keep saying that the devs are needing things they don’t need to be touching. Instead the devs and teams could be working on QOL updates and other fun tweaks. I think the community grasps onto some far fetched ideas sometimes about what truly gives an advantage.

Qs is gone, it’s a dead topic let’s leave it, but what did it actually do? The TTK is still faster than being able to eat.

The reason that it's overall important is that it shows the community as a whole (those that are interested in this stuff) that Rare is willing to push against popular metas, influencers, rampant criticism by people that oppose the change in order to maintain (what they view as) the integrity of their game.

It's completely fair to say "well that took a real long time to get around to" but the past is the past, it's important that the community knows that when it comes to combat and fairness Rare is considering the overall environment rather than just continuing to go with the flow to benefit one type of play because it's easier.

People go back in forth with the "they cater to casuals" "they cater to content creators" this and that, they've catered to everyone in different ways but there was a weak spot, combat and risk reward has long been leaning too far towards the top of the game. They are addressing that now.

Doesn't really matter if it changes zero fights in the end, it's a part of an overall shift that is addressing combat concerns in a substantive way that shows that all types of feedback is being considered and metas are no longer safe. Metas should never really be safe in these types of games, especially with combat. Now it's more clear that Rare is willing to make those moves.

They've been adding all sorts of solid qol features to the game, it's not like one thing means other things aren't happening.