Competition is good my fellow pirates.
Have a look at Skull & Bones what is everyone thinking when it comes to comparing what we have seen so far with our cherished/addicted SOT.
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I don't think I'll know quite how I feel about S&B until after the presentation today. Just from what we know/has been rumored and leaked, I'm not quite sure if there will be any competition between the two just based on the fact that they seem to be going for VERY different kinds of things.
Could still be cool though. But at the same time I haven't looked at the name Ubisoft in a positive light for probably a little under a decade now. And this game having been in development hell for so long just does not instill me with any more confidence for a game that I've already not been very confident about. Would love to be pleasantly surprised though.
Just a reminder for everyone before the presentation, remember this is Ubisoft, most games presentations end up not representing the final released game very well but especially not Ubisofts. They are practically the pioneer, the face of fake E3 presentations.
But, most importantly, be respectful to the devs, they probably get enough headaches from executives, limitations and deadlines as is, remember even SoT itself didn't quite have a very smooth sailing on launch day. Games are hard
@peony7185 said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
I don't think I'll know quite how I feel about S&B until after the presentation today. Just from what we know/has been rumored and leaked, I'm not quite sure if there will be any competition between the two just based on the fact that they seem to be going for VERY different kinds of things.
Could still be cool though. But at the same time I haven't looked at the name Ubisoft in a positive light for probably a little under a decade now. And this game having been in development hell for so long just does not instill me with any more confidence for a game that I've already not been very confident about. Would love to be pleasantly surprised though.
Just a reminder for everyone before the presentation, remember this is Ubisoft, most games presentations end up not representing the final released game very well but especially not Ubisofts. They are practically the pioneer, the face of fake E3 presentations.
But, most importantly, be respectful to the devs, they probably get enough headaches from executives, limitations and deadlines as is, remember even SoT itself didn't quite have a very smooth sailing on launch day. Games are hard
Lololol i forgot to say its Ubisoft thanks for adding that.
Agreed. i think they said around 3:00PM for the showing. I really wonder how different this game vs SOT will be.
watch there be pay to win tactics lol.
Pay $6.99 get chain shots.
@hadtodoit Haha lol
I really am just expecting it to be Ac Black Flags ship combat with a couple changes and additions and a ton of opportunities for monetization.
I'm expecting it to be very gamified and to constantly be breaking immersion with a bunch of intrusive HUD goo and really unneeded rpg mechanics and probably some sort of hero shooter mechanics like Rainbow Six Seige and For Honor but instead of operators it's different types of ships, which you'll either have to grind an absurd amount of time to get or buy with real money.
Let's also not forget probably a weird focus on being a competitive PvP esport game and having a premium only battle pass system and a rotational store something like Fortnite.
So really I'm just expecting a basic modern cookie cutter multiplayer 'live service' game. And let's not forget the weird fake gamer coms that'll accompany the totally not super scripted gameplay we'll see.
@hadtodoit skull and bones has been in development hell for longer then sea of thieves has been released.
It was announced E3 2017, with a release in 2018 however delay ofter delay has plagued the game
And internally it went trough a lot of dev reboots. This can leave alot of scars on a game (duke nukem forever anyone ?)
It looks like a cool game but apart from the piraty theme i dont think it can be considered competition as you are not a playing as a pirate you play as the ship.
I'll be tuning in to Falcore on my lunch break to get a better idea of what I'm getting into.
It has always been discussed as AC: Black Flag, except with PvP. That alone is enough to gain my attention.
From what I've seen so far, it looks naval-only, and the combat is more arcade-y than SoT. A buddy of mine described it as "it looks like TDM except everyone is a ship" lol. Which isn't a bad thing; it's just different.
I'll still be playing SoT till Rare takes the servers down. But this could be one of the games I use to take a breather from Reaper hops/stacks. And it may (I'm hoping) fill the void that Arena's removal left behind.
I am sure the game will turn out to be a pay to win that will once again prove Rare is actually passionate and not some doods who "milk pirate content for money" like people say lol.
You want to repair your ship? You need 5 planks. Pay 5 dollars to get 2 wooden planks. But dont worry! You can Also pay 1 million gold for 1 wooden plank not pay to win
@alienmagi said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
If the game won't let us get off the ship and explore islands or do hand to hand combat then that's going to be a dealbreaker for me. Also knowing Ubisoft and their past shenanigans I fully expect this game to be filled with crazy microtransactions and pay to win mechanics. I hope I am wrong.
Precisely!!!
Doesn't appear to be significant competition it's something that some might also play but I don't see any indicators of it being a replacement for the experience.
Sot succeeds because of a food chain that serves hunter and farmer, it gives space and scenery and discovery and danger to adventurer.
They spoke of sot being a 10 year title and the foundation supports that. It's not the flashiest, it doesn't perform the best, but supporting the experience is a foundation of random adventure that keeps pirates wanting to roll those environmental dice one more time, every time.
S & B seems like it'll be a fine game but I don't see anything that is a challenge to the adventure experience of sot. That's not a criticism it's just the reality of two different types of escapism imo.
@tre-oni said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
Skull & Bones is nowhere close to competition for ANY game.
What? I'm sceptical as well but you are reaching as the game is not even released yet.
Ubisoft could update the game just like SOT to include more adventure. Again sailors i am not confident in Ubisoft at all just like you all.
at the start SOT was very bare bones and look at the beauty now! Are you guys saying it cant be updated ever? Lol.
Some of you are reaaaaaaaallly loyal to this game like which is not a knock at all so am i just not blindly.
Whatever floats your boat or sinks your ship sailor.
@hadtodoit It's not that the game won't be updated and grow just like SoT has but that it has, from what we know, VERY extremely different design goals and intentions to the point that the games are likely going to only be comparable using the fact that they are pirate themed games.
Even games that are insanely similar are not even thought as competing with one another. Valorant is literally just CSGO but with Overwatch abilities but I'm sure many would laugh if you were to say it were "competing" with CS. So for SoT and S&B these two games don't even seem to be remotely in the same ballpark in terms of game design.
It's like comparing Halo and Titanfall, they're only similar in the fact that they are Sci-Fi Shooters but are so extremely different in design that they aren't comparable at all.
@peony7185 said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
@hadtodoit It's not that the game won't be updated and grow just like SoT has but that it has, from what we know, VERY extremely different design goals and intentions to the point that the games are likely going to only be comparable using the fact that they are pirate themed games.
Even games that are insanely similar are not even thought as competing with one another. Valorant is literally just CSGO but with Overwatch abilities but I'm sure many would laugh if you were to say it were "competing" with CS. So for SoT and S&B these two games don't even seem to be remotely in the same ballpark in terms of game design.
It's like comparing Halo and Titanfall, they're only similar in the fact that they are Sci-Fi Shooters but are so extremely different in design that they aren't comparable at all.
So what do you know for fact? Seeing as they are having a showing at 3 and the game has been changed supposedly multiple times. Do you now something that none of us do? I am not trying to divid us you just seem to know more than even the developers lol.
@hadtodoit Well there was leaked gameplay from earlier this year, don't know if the actual video is still out there but, there's stuff like crafting and feeding your ai crew, upgrading ship stats like hp and damage I'm sure there's articles and videos about it out there. I know the game has restated development plenty of times but I almost guarantee it'll still mostly just be an evolution of Ac Black Flags ship combat as that was the main selling point and all of those things are just so fundamentally different to SoT that they just aren't comparable.
@hadtodoit said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
Some of you are reaaaaaaaallly loyal to this game like which is not a knock at all so am i just not blindly.
More like.. most of us are well aware of what GaaS means for a developer like Ubisoft. Eyes pretty wide open on that.
Over microtransactioned, under developed content.
The game's also been delayed years on years. It's going to feel hollow, the cracks are going to show. It's half hearted over monetized Ubisoft.
I am absolutely confident in saying that "AC black flag, but just the ship parts, and AI only boarding" will feel very very average, especially after how long its been since it was supposed to be out. It was getting dated even by then.
@tre-oni said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
@hadtodoit said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
Some of you are reaaaaaaaallly loyal to this game like which is not a knock at all so am i just not blindly.
More like.. most of us are well aware of what GaaS means for a developer like Ubisoft. Eyes pretty wide open on that.
Over microtransactioned, under developed content.
The game's also been delayed years on years. It's going to feel hollow, the cracks are going to show. It's half hearted over monetized Ubisoft.
I am absolutely confident in saying that "AC black flag, but just the ship parts, and AI only boarding" will feel very very average, especially after how long its been since it was supposed to be out. It was getting dated even by then.
Ok but is what you are saying fact? Show me some sources for skull and bones to prove you point. Other than that you are knocking a game before you know anything about it.
Lets let the game get released then bring that fire brother.
Lets get a sot skull and bones cross over 😳
The one thing that skull and bones is already doing better than sea of thieves is giving away a complete set in just 1 twitch viewing!
That includes:
● A nameplate
● A sail pattern
● Hull and sail coloursYou had to watch a partner just to get a flag for sea of thieves the other day......a ....flag!
(I personally hate any cosmetics/items locked behind mechanisms outside of actually playing the game, but if you are going to do it, do it better than others)
Well looks like you can craft get off you ship do forts survival etc etc. sooo some of you bashing the game and seeming to know more than the devs were wrong.
This is what i meant by blindly loyal.
Bashing the game and saying you know more before we even see one updated with new or the devs speak.
What do y'all think so far?
From the preview it looks a lot like Sea Of Thieves.
Outposts, treasure maps, story, crafting, group events, forts
But all with actual progression systems, crafting systems and different ship types with strengths and weaknesses.
This will really chip away a part of the SOT players for sure. Especially max level pirates.
@hadtodoit said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
What do y'all think so far?
Not impressed. Instant teleportation to crow's nest and back to wheel? And the speed/turning of the ship is just as unrealistic as it was in Black Flag.
He was steering from his crow's nest? Wut. All these weird cinematic combat scenes in the middle of battle. Wut. Stuff all over the screen, UI for days. Weird af. All this ship on ship combat but I didn't see anyone go to repair any holes.
As expected, it's an AC pirate ship simulator with random NPC's on my ship shouting random stuff constantly with no realistic control over my ship.
This is a totally different gameplay experience to SoT and can't really be compared to it. Best to just compare it with Black Flag.
@maidenofarkham said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
@hadtodoit said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
What do y'all think so far?
Not impressed. Instant teleportation to crow's nest and back to wheel? And the speed/turning of the ship is just as unrealistic as it was in Black Flag.
He was steering from his crow's nest? Wut. All these weird cinematic combat scenes in the middle of battle. Wut. Stuff all over the screen, UI for days. Weird af. All this ship on ship combat but I didn't see anyone go to repair any holes.
It's just Assassin's Creed. As expected.
This is a totally different gameplay experience to SoT and can't really be compared to it. Best to just compare it with Black Flag.
Bro when did you get alpha access? When did you play the game because a lot of people in chats and twitch saying this game is looking great and has similar aspects.
@hadtodoit The only similar thing is that they are both based on pirates and take place on the sea. Actual gameplay wise, these are totally different game types.
As for the positive Twitch chats? Well, I'm in BoxyFresh's chat right now and it's like this..1's, 2's and lots of laughing faces. Boxy has already stopped watching and is back on SoT.....
and here's some chat from Pace22's stream
Honestly, if you like this style of game, feel free to buy it and play it, but it's not a game like SoT, it's another AC game.
@licenturion said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
From the preview it looks a lot like Sea Of Thieves.
Outposts, treasure maps, story, crafting, group events, forts
But all with actual progression systems, crafting systems and different ship types with strengths and weaknesses.
This will really chip away a part of the SOT players for sure. Especially max level pirates.
Possible but I doubt it
What I think it will do is it is going to create a rare opening for streamers of sot to take their shot at a refresh.
Some streamers that are burnt out or not happy with their viewership, frustrated about not getting partner or something along those lines will try to get hot on the new hot title but I doubt that turns into any significant shift at this point.
Down the line that could always change as games change and potentially improve/decline but I doubt right now it changes much in the game itself.
This really is an "Outer Shores" topic.
Not really in the category of "Sea of Thieves Game Discussion"
@deckhands@maidenofarkham said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
@hadtodoit Well, I'm in BoxyFresh's chat right now and it's like this..1's, 2's and lots of laughing faces. Boxy has already stopped watching and is back on SoT.....
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and here's some chat from Pace22's stream
Honestly, if you like this style of game, feel free to buy it and play it, but it's not a game like SoT, it's another AC game.
A streamer not streaming a game that isnt released yet so he goes back to his bread and butter..... of course he will go back HE IS A STREAMER.
Boxy is good i agree but Pace22 nahh bro.
And id say we can both miss on the chat as i could snip a clip of everyone praising it.
Its nice to have a discussion without everyone being offended thanks man. I am not being sarcastic.
@piratecraggy said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
This really is an "Outer Shores" topic.
Not really in the category of "Sea of Thieves Game Discussion"
@deckhandsCare to add anything to the discussion? Or are you just trying to become a mod or get them to like you?
Mods my apologies if this is im the wrong section. Move it at your will, also thank you for not closing a thread about another game.
@hadtodoit
No matey.. been about these parts a fair while if you care to look.
Like my forums in order, and helps categorise topics correctly in the correct place :)
This obviously is not a "on game" topic, mistakes are made, just needs filed in the right place.@piratecraggy said in Skull ☠️ & Bones 🦴:
@hadtodoit
No matey.. been about these parts a fair while if you care to look.
Like my forums in order, and helps categorise topics correctly in the correct place :)
This obviously is not a "on game" topic, mistakes are made, just needs filed in the right place.Didnt know this was YOUR forum.
You arnt discussing anything so just spamming?
The mods will move it at their will. Keep the peace.
Surprise anyone that you can already pre order?
Wonder how many version for P2W.I wonder when it is released if they will do things similar to SOT like the cosmetics etc.
@hadtodoit
I agree with @peony7185. Skull and Bones looks a lot like Assassin's Creed: Black Flag. The game is going to have a lot of hurtles at launch, mainly, what is its identity going to be? If you're Ubisoft, I don't think you would want to lean into the comparisons to Black Flag because then you run the risk of the general public writing the game off as a generic pirate game.Graphically, I'm less then impressed; it looks kind of bland to me. I haven't seen much on gameplay, so I can't judge that, but I think my main issue with the game is that it is being published by Ubisoft and I'm not really a big fan of their business model. I'm kind of a 'picky eater' when it comes to games in general and I'll more likely then not pass on it. (Whoever does get it, I hope you have fun with it!)
In a perfect world, maybe Sea of Thieves and Skull and Bones could have a Street Fighter and King of Fighters kind of rivalry. (both games try to 1-up each other, leading to a better playing experience for both fandoms. Maybe even a small crossover in the future) I guess we'll sea!
(Thank you! I'll be here all week!)
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