Double Standard?

@themadlad94

That's not accurate to the time. Women weren't "allowed" on pirate ships because of reasons I cannot really detail on a family friendly forum.

The cramped conditions on a pirate vessel would have made keeping a secret like that almost impossible. And some female pirates, like Mary Read and Anne Bonny were very open about being women when they were part of Jack Rackham's crew.

The misconception that they pretended to be men comes from an account by Charles Johnston (who may have actually been Daniel Defoe) in General History of the Robberies and Murders of the Most Notorious Pyrates from the 1720s , which has influenced a lot of pirate stories and legends since. The book's accuracy is constantly under debate.

There are separate stories about Anne Bonny wearing loose shirts that showed off her chest, though both Bonny and Read "dressed like men" in battle.

Most pirate females wore mens clothing anyways. Just so they could fool the men and get away with murder.

Hey guys this is a fantasy pirate game it does not have to be realistic…

Last time I checked this game also did not have dysentery, scurvy, and slavery…

However I assume the reason is less to do with double standard and more to do with Rare’s infinite pirate generator which has been stated to greatly limit cosmetics in the past including jewelry and masks, so it would not surprise me if this was also an issue that fell into the same category.

We really need Rare to overhaul the pirate generator to allow for further customization options!

I agree it should not be one sided. A ton of other things are not accurate to the time like fighting fictional sea creatures, ghosts, ect. I think being accurate to the time period has gone out to sea.

@faceyourdemon

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Just an absolutely awful argument to make. Even if men did make up the majority, there's no saying it'd be like a 95/5 split. If Rare were to only focus on the majority, then it would actively impact their sales and the community. This mindset is also just not ideal, as the majority in this case is typically going to be straight, white guys, which would mean any minority group is ignored or overlooked.

There isnt double standards here, you are way overthinking it.

Telling people they're "overthinking" something that is studied excessively in academia and is a daily reality for many, many people is extremely obnoxious. I don't know how you can say this and then also recognise how the term "females" is cringe.

@lyssandrah Hopped on a fresh account and out of 58 shirts that I could get 8 showed the bra. Strangely enough some shirts were cut lower than the bra line but didn't feature a bra. Showing ones bra above the shirt is probably undesirable by most players so sure it should be changed or at least not repeated on future shirts. As for pants being higher up on the women they do tend to be a bit higher in the front (I'm holding objects up to my screen to gauge the distance between the belly button and the pants). Men's pants seem to be higher up on the backside and then dip way down in the front. Honest opinion is that pants shouldn't dive down at a 45 degree angle. I think the women look better pant-waist-wise.

As for what is and isn't men's or women's clothing/hair etc that's all very subjective and I won't touch that.

@faceyourdemon > And I dont think its 95/5, probably more like 75/25.

Do you think many companies can afford to lose 25% of their customers? The idea that companies wouldn't want to appeal to 25% of their audience is astronomically wrong.

"something that is studied excessively in academia" The classic thing to say when you know you cant win an argument.

Not wanting to turn this thread into a journal article in itself, but if you really want to be proven wrong here, feel free to DM me and I can send you at least 10 links to studies on implicit sexism in media depictions of women.

"Double standards" and opening a Pandora box of dumb arguments, im not a fan.

"Don't point out examples of double standards where they're prevalent because it makes me uncomfortable." Really fitting the stereotype here, bud.

@faceyourdemon

That is not double standards, if the stats would have been somewhat even then absolutely it wont be acceptable, but its not the case.

Ignoring the fact that this explanation is entirely based on guess work and is already a weak assumption, I'm done arguing over it.

@lyssandrah said in Double Standard?:

but I am asking for you to be reasonable to women.

As far as I can tell, there are zero clothes specifically tailored to male pirates. Women are free to wear trousers, shirts and jackets too, just like real life.

Whereas females, do have clothes specifically for them. Skirts, dresses and tube tops (I mean, men could wear these in real life, but you don't see it regularly) for example.

Also Pants are higher up on our waist than men pants that tend to hit super low on the hips. Again, seems like a small thing, but it irks me and I hope that in the future you will take this into consideration.

This could also be one of the weirdest requests I've ever seen. "My fantasy pirate pants are 2cm too high!" XD

The only thing I'd say they could have more of for female pirates, is hair styles and better dresses. I hardly see anyone wearing those long flairy efforts.

@withmyapologies

Whereas females, do have clothes specifically for them. Skirts, dresses and tube tops for example.

The counter argument is that beards offset dresses as being traditionally masculine (although I'm very glad Rare has left it open for a pirate to be whoever they want to be regardless of body type)

@withmyapologies Why should a shirt that shows no nipple have a women's bra sticking out and a male can have skin? I am not talking about sexuality I am talking about censoring females. I can't speak for all women but typically we are held to different standards than men, be it some people think if your bra is hanging out of your shirt you are a easy or tacky. You can think that any of this is "Weird" because you don't think that way. I don't know your dressing routine but I believe most people care about how they look and part of that is the fit of clothing and where it hits you on your body and how it compliments the body shape. I am not going to deny I have OCD, and things like this bug me to no end, same thing with where the belts hit... ughhhh...

I enjoy playing this game, I also enjoy dressing up my characters in any game. Others might think it isn't fun and not what the game is about, etc. It isn't up to them to tell everyone else what they can enjoy or not, not that you are doing that, just that I hear all the time how I should find another game if I like fashion and character design, to which I say, thanks for your opinion but I won't be going anywhere.

@faceyourdemon To be clear, it is people who sexualize things. Once upon a time it was normal to walk around nude and no one would bat an eye. There is a different between shaming women for their bodies and sexualizing them.