A lot of tryhard copy-cat youtuber wannabe with 0% personality use camping as a salt farming method so they can make content...
Is camping now banable
Maybe I'm not getting something here. My understanding was that spawn camping a crew meant you killed them as they loaded back in, but before they were able to move.
If you're waiting till the players are fully loaded in and able to fight back, then that's not really spawn camping, is it?
I've never done it before, so maybe I'm misunderstanding it, but I thought that was the point: kill them before they can move.
If so, then what is the benefit of shooting a statue? Kill them, spawn camp until they sink, take their loot and move on.
@vac*-hombre said:
... camping a crew meant you killed them as they loaded back in, but before they were able to move... If you're waiting till the players are fully loaded in and able to fight back, then that's not really spawn camping, is it?
Lol your objective should be to kill them as quickly as possible, as you don't want to give them the opportunity to cooperate or organize against you. However, killing all players before they are able to fight back isn't always practical when you're solo or outnumbered.
If you're not solo or outnumbered, then you're not really going to get any valuable practice from it.
Getting all your buddies on one sloop to 4v1 camp isn't good practice. Spawncamping new players, even in a 1v4 situation, probably isn't good practice (unless your skill/experience level is also low enough). I want to make clear that I'm defending it when done genuinely for practice.
@kaijoi said in Is camping now banable:
A friend just told me spawn camping for no reason other than to have target practice is banable. Is this true?
Long story short, no. Is it scummy? Absolutely, but bannable? No.
Pretty much the long and short of it.
Of course, you'll find that a fairly consistent group of users on this forum defend and encourage it despite it being an almost universally hated practice in any other game under the sun.
@theblackbellamy said in Is camping now banable:
If you're not solo or outnumbered, then you're not really going to get any valuable practice from it.
Hmmm... well the OP didn't provide those details, so I guess that's unclear.
I still say it's a rather poor form of practice though. I'd think it'd be better to kill them, set their ship going, go back to yours and chase them down to do it all over again. That way you're practicing ship combat, boarding, and PvP all at once. Plus, if your opponents stick around to fight, they may start changing their tactics which would give you even more practice.
Also, at least a few of them may get into it, which could also net you some new pirate friends.
@vac*-hombre said:
Hmmm... well the OP didn't provide those details, so I guess that's unclear.
I still say it's a rather poor form of practice though. I'd think it'd be better to kill them, set their ship going, go back to yours and chase them down to do it all over again.
OP didn't provide many details at all. For all we know he could've been discussing 1v4 camping in Arena with pistol + sniper for target practice. Everyone responded with their own assumptions about toxic behavior and camping in Adventure.
All I knew was he was talking about camping for practice, so I responded with my thoughts on the subject.
Anyway, what you described also seems like good practice, and seems like a more well-rounded approach. But if you want to train something specific, train something specific. You think it's a poor form of practice, but most sports teams would disagree with you, as they often make use of focused drills. They don't just play the full length of a game during every practice lol.
True, but sports teams also specialize. Players have specific positions and jobs that they train for. While full crews CAN have assigned roles for crew members, it makes more sense for every pirate to be as well rounded skill-wise as possible.
Admittedly though, it's probably mostly just perspective. The idea of sitting on a ship, blasting pirates as they pop into existence just makes me want to go lie down.
I still think spawn camping should be reserved for only when necessary, but I never considered it bannable just by itself.
Of course, chances are the OP knew that already. It's like salty PvEers who come in and ask rhetorical questions about PvP behavior. They know the answer already, they just want to vent about it.
@vac*-hombre said:
... sports teams also specialize. Players have specific positions and jobs that they train for... it makes more sense for every pirate to be as well rounded skill-wise as possible.
Admittedly though, it's probably mostly just perspective. The idea of sitting on a ship, blasting pirates as they pop into existence just makes me want to go lie down.
Good point, but even tennis players and MMA fighters make use of drills during practice, rather than playing out entire matches or fights every time.
I agree that it's important to be well rounded pirate. But if you want to get better or maintain proficiency in your boarding PvP skills, sitting on a cannon won't help you. Staying at helm while chasing a ship won't help you.
If you already have control of a ship, and you want to practice PvP on their ship, then sinking it would only be counterproductive to your goal.
This does, as you said, ultimately come down to perspective & an individual's goals. Spawncamping puts you to sleep; spamming skellies with my sword puts me to sleep. To each their own lol.
Nah, man, literally nobody is "practicing their PvP skilZ" by spawncamping. They are preying on weaker players, and its a jerk move even when it's not bankable.
You can rationalize it to yourself all you want, but you are rationalizing.
@theblackbellamy said in Is camping now banable:
spamming skellies with my sword puts me to sleep.
That's why you gotta spice things up. Get creative.
Screw just spawn camping them over and over. Keep them on the Ferry while you get a decent fire going on their boat, then let them spawn back in and have an epic showdown in the midst of the inferno.
After all, what's the difference between a common thug and a true pirate?
@theblackbellamy that's kinda what I'm saying as far as killing people as they spawn.
If I was solo on a sloop and needed too camp yeh sure I would. If a boat was running with loot and my ship couldnt stop in time yeh sure id try.
My stance on camping is don't do it for the fun of it. I sink everyone as quick as possible to move on. Killing people in this "world" for sport irrelevant is imo. It doesn't prove much.
The sink imo is what matters. The loot matters.
The glory of how they sunk and how you did it matters.
Spawn camping unless absolutely necessary doesnt prove much.
I'll accept spawn camping to a extent as long as they fight back I guess it's kinda along of the lines of you have a choice to scuttle.
@vac*-hombre
That doesn't refute anything I said on the subject of practicing a particular skill. And on that note, I wonder if "no true scotsman" would apply to your ideal "true pirate." :P
Look, I'm not here to convince any of you to start doing it, I just wanted to offer my take on the matter. Some people do camp with no other intention than to practice, whether or not you like it, whether or not you believe their motivation, regardless of what opinions you have of their character.
I used to do it more often back when gally Arena didn't take ages to start lol. Just grabbed my pistol and sniper, and did my best to hold down a 1v4. As far as practicing PvP on other people's ships, there is no better training exercise.
You can rationalize it all you want, but like I said: literally nobody is actually spawn camping to practice pvp, any more than competitive runners are racing toddlers to practice sprinting.
@cptphteven said in Is camping now banable:
You can rationalize it all you want, but like I said: literally nobody is actually spawn camping to practice pvp, any more than competitive runners are racing toddlers to practice sprinting.
I occasionally like to practice/refresh my skills by boarding a ship and trying to spawn camp them for as long as I can, or until they scuttle or get I bored or die. I'm also not the only person I sail with who does this.
PVP is a something you can only learn by doing.Regardless of whether you have rationalized it to yourself, we don't believe you. Like I've said: nobody is honestly practicing their sprinting by racing toddlers.
@cptphteven Lol yes, you have repeatedly said that, while ignoring what I've said about considering skill level and crew size when picking who to camp. I feel like I understand your position better than you're trying to understand mine.
I'm not saying to camp the equivalent of "toddlers" in this game. That's not good practice. I'm not saying to camp smaller crews. I'm not defending any toxic behavior or harassment while camping another crew. None of that will help anyone build better PvP skills. And if I was arguing for any of that, you'd be 100% correct & justified in calling me a jerk for doing so.
But being by yourself, fighting 2, 3, or 4 players with enough skill to challenge you is good practice for PvP on others' ships.
If you're not going to acknowledge what I'm actually saying, and insist on repeating your sanctimonious scolding of spawncamping altogether, then this conversation will go nowhere. In which case, you've said what you wanted; I said what I wanted. We can agree to disagree. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@cptphteven If I wipe the floor with a crew, and they are no challenge I stick a banana on the stove and leave, there is nothing to learn and it's boring.
Interesting how you have to ascribe evil intent and motivations to folks who play differently to you.@cptphteven I camp 1v4 galleys all the time to work on my strafing and aiming and to get warmed up. I’m not seeing this notion where you think every ship getting camped by one guy is full of smooth brain morons lol.
It can be perceived as trolling and it is reportable just camping then spawn killing doing nothing else. - If so, best to get video of it and report them as it’s clearly griefing.
Yes you can report and get a ban for it because technically it’s grieving and ruining the playability for someone.
I do believe there should be a spawn protection so you can spawn and at-least get rid maybe or something to maybe prevent this
... I camp 1v4 galleys all the time to work on my strafing and aiming...
If that's all you're doing bro, you'll (probably) be fine lol. If they ban for just that, my pirate should've been redbearded ages ago :P
The reason I linked to that other post in my first reply was b/c that thread had a similar question to yours. Seeing how much people's opinions differ on the subject, I think it'd be helpful if Rare gave the player base more clarity on what is and isn't allowed. People speculate and have so many varying, opposing anecdotes on the exact same topics.
Are we allowed to tdm? Are we allowed to camp people who interfere? Are we allowed to camp at all, without the intention to sink or steal loot? Is bucketing "toxic" or just benign, competitive fun? Are we allowed to use animation cancelling?
Who knows.
@theblackbellamy said in Is camping now banable:
Some people do camp with no other intention than to practice
Yeah, but I still think it's a dirt poor way to "practice". I mean, it's no skin off my back; I know how to scuttle. And if Rare decides its a problem, then they can deal with it.
But yeah, I've still heard nothing that makes me think there's any practice to spawn camping. If they can't fight back then all you're doing is playing whack-a-mole. In other words, it still seems like the only thing you can practice by spawn camping is how to be better at spawn camping.
@theblackbellamy said in Is camping now banable:
@cptphteven Lol yes, you have repeatedly said that, while ignoring what I've said about considering skill level and crew size when picking who to camp. I feel like I understand your position better than you're trying to understand mine.
I understand you're position. I think you are rationalizing to justify a behaviour that you know is a jerk move.
Just because I understand what you are saying doesn't mean I believe what you are saying.
@vac*-hombre said:
If they can't fight back
If I've boarded a ship of 2, 3 or 4 players and "they can't fight back," then I'm not going to waste my time with them lol. I thought I made that clear already.
I feel like you keep arguing against a behavior that I'm not advocating for. I don't think that type of "whack-a-mole" is good practice either.
What I'm saying is, if you're fighting a competent crew that refuses to scuttle, either in Adventure or Arena, then you will get good PvP practice from fighting them over and over again.
Maybe not the holistic PvP practice that you'd prefer, of setting them on fire, sinking them and finding them over and over again. It is instead, like I said earlier, a targeted PvP practice to train something specific.
Jump in Arena, climb into a cannon and fire yourself off to your nearest gally full of glorious bois, rocking all their fancy cosmetics. Then anc' them and try killing them for the full length of the match. Tell me it's as easy as whack-a-mole.
@cptphteven said in Is camping now banable:
@wolfmanbush said in Is camping now banable:
As long as people have the option to easily remove themselves from the situation the fights are consensual and should play out how they play out without interference.
Die repeatedly or leave the server isn't "consensual" it's "coerced".
THIS. RIGHT. HERE.
And tbh it's scary the misunderstanding of the definition of "consensual" in this thread.
If they actually have a chance of taking you out, then I'm not sure that even counts as spawn camping, at least within the ecosphere of Sea of Thieves.
Still sounds boring, but I guess that's just a difference in our playstyles.
@vac*-hombre said:
If they actually have a chance of taking you out, then I'm not sure that even counts as spawn camping...
Oh okay. Full circle it is, then lol. Last time you said something like that, I said something like this.
In any case, I'm not interested in splitting that hair.
I'm in their spawn-point (ship), and killing them before they can leave or take back control of their ship. You can call that whatever you want. :)
I guess that's just a difference in our playstyles.
Yup.
@theblackbellamy said in Is camping now banable:
I'm in their spawn-point (ship), and killing them before they can leave or take back control of their ship. You can call that whatever you want. :)
Honestly, I'm just confused at this point. One minute they're being killed before they can react, the next we're saying that it's PvP practice and a skilled crew could get out of it, and then we go right back to them dying before they can move again.
Most other threads I would've bounced by now, so at this point I'm keeping up the conversation out of morbid curiosity. Getting a clear picture out of these posts is like trying to read legalese.
Let's try a straightforward question.
Has/could a crew ever get the better of you after you've started your camping "practice"?
And I'm putting aside quips and barbs here, so please reciprocate, cause I'm making a serious effort to understand this.
@vac*-hombre said:
Has/could a crew ever get the better of you after you've started your camping
Yes. People call it "breaking the camp."
And logically, it should be easier for them to break out, the more of them there are.
@scarecrow1771 said in Is camping now banable:
I occasionally like to practice/refresh my skills by boarding a ship and trying to spawn camp them for as long as I can, or until they scuttle or get I bored or die. I'm also not the only person I sail with who does this.
or you can learn by being effective and kill them and sink them.
@ajm123 The whole point is to try to lock down a ship solo, with no chance of support. Sometimes I get a good fight and some practice, sometimes I am immediately humbled by an experienced crew, sometimes I find some new pirates and I offer some tips, stick a banana on the stove and carry on about my journey.
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