This update destroyed the game

@nabberwar while it may be "voluntary" a portion of the community should not be strongarmed into having to ignore or miss out on content meant for everyone in the game to enjoy. Sloops and solos should not have to ignore and actively avoid content just so they dont get verbally abused. I understand and support pvp. Its fun. However a t5 reapers being able to see u whenever just isnt fun for sloops. Were seen as easy prey and often times we are. When it comes to me im typically teaching others the game, introducing others, or just looking for a good time. And pvp can be fun but not when that ship u sank can just book it back to u, harrass u, and attack till u sink

@okamivan

@nabberwar while it may be "voluntary" a portion of the community should not be strongarmed into having to ignore or miss out on content meant for everyone in the game to enjoy.

Except the content isn't "new" so to speak its the same content as before except with a opt in feature of getting a loot multiplier by voluntarily agreeing to be targeted. It still remains the same voyages as before. There is no new content so to speak. You can essentially play the game in the same sense as before

You miss out on nothing by choosing not to become an Emissary if you don't enjoy that type of gameplay. Risk Vs. Reward, if you aren't willing to risk being targeted, you don't get the multiplier. Its that simple.

However a t5 reapers being able to see u whenever just isnt fun for sloops.

If and only if you voluteer to become an Emissary. If you don't find it fun don't do it. I hate fishing in this game, do you want to guess what I don't do?

And pvp can be fun but not when that ship u sank can just book it back to u, harrass u, and attack till u sink

This is in no way related to Emissaries, you could do that at any point prior to this patch. This "problem" isn't relevant to the topic at hand.

@nabberwar except there is new content. By being forced out of things we miss out on commendations and cosmetics

@okamivan

@nabberwar except there is new content. By being forced out of things we miss out on commendations and cosmetics

I don't see it being forced out of anything, when you yourself don't find it appealing to begin with. You aren't being forced, you are voluntarily choosing not to do it. I am not forced out of fishing just because I find it dull and unappealing. All Emissaries is, is a tool to enter a gauntlet, if you don't like the gauntlet, you don't like Emissaries.

When it comes to your comment on missing out on Cosmetics and Commendations, I don't have sympathy. Cosmetics are purely optional, they bring nothing new to the table besides making your model look nifty. If you are unwilling to put any effort in unlocking, you don't deserve them. Your unwillingness to put in work shouldn't be catered to. Just because you may want them doesn't mean you deserve them, that is kind of childish.

@nabberwar i work for everything i have gotten in this game. I just refuse to subject myself to harrassment and toxicity and frustration by joining randoms. Ive spent hours upon tedious hours trying to do emissaries. What i am saying is that it is next to impossible for a solo. I wont say im the best at the game cause im not. But im not the worst either. I can typically fend off attacks. But its impossible when they can just find u

@okamivan
If you are unwilling to accept the risks, you don't get the reward. The multiplier reaches up to 2.5x so getting loot at that rate without adding any risks in return is ludicrous and rather stupid.

Rather than coming here and whining, what do you propose? They have already made it voluntary, so Reaper's can't track you if you don't want to be. Do you just want a free multiplier with no risks?

@nabberwar the multiplier doesnt coinside with the risk

Agree agree agree!!!!! Well said and it’s spot on. I will def take a break for a bit until something is changed.

The ocean is huge. There would be days when you don’t see anyone.

Idk. Just sucks I cant personally enjoy all the game had without having anxiety constantly. Just not the game for me anymore and that’s fine.

@okamivan
I highly disagree, Reaper's are marked regardless of you being an Emissary. You can spot them everywhere. It isn't til they reach peak Grade 5 do they actually see people, until then they can't find you, unless they can visually see you. That is a free multiplier for that entire time til they get to that Rank. You are otherwise doing voyages that are not in anyway more difficult. It isn't like the Devil's Roar where their is environmental risks at least.

Nothing stops you uniting with other Emissaries and ganging up on a Pre-Grade 5 Reapers. Sinking them resets their Grade, causing them a giant setback. You seem to have the inability to adapt to your surroundings.

@nabberwar said in This update destroyed the game:

Ship Alliance/ 2 Ship/3 Ship/4 Ship/5 Ship/6 Ship
Grade 1 (1.25) / .625 / 1.25 / 1.875 / 2.50 /3.125
Grade 2 (1.50) / .75 / 1.50 / 2.25 / 3.00 / 3.75
Grade 3 (1.75) / .875 / 1.75 / 2.625 / 3.50 / 4.375
Grade 4 (2.00) / 1.00 / 2.00 / 3.00 / 4.00 / 5.00
Grade 5 (2.50) / 1.25 / 2.50 / 3.75 / 5.00 / 6.25

This is a numbers breakdown on the percentages one can make off with the use of combining Alliances and Emissaries. Teamwork is extremely rewarding. At each Grade of Emissary what you turn in everyone in Alliances gets half. So an example would be if you are a Grade 5 Emissary, every item you turn in that other ship in your 2 person Alliance gets loot 1.25x the original value of that item. The numbers get massive the more ships that come in. I could go on, but working together is more so profitable then before.

I have only seen this posted by you, not saying it isn't true or anything; but has this been proven or laid out in the release notes somewhere that I may have missed?

Everything I have read has lead me to believe that Allainces do not gain any benefits from other Emissaries in the Alliance, which would leave them with 50% of the original value as it has always been.

@shuoink You can literally see where the Reapers guys are, just move to avoid them or get good at the game to fight back.

I also think this update has mostly negative aspects, but these are the most wrong reason to talk about.

I mostly play solo in adventure, I've completed multiple grade 5 merchant's voyages on my own. You guys need to realise that if you lose to a galleon it just means you didn't pay attention. First of all: reapers can see you on the map, that's true, but you can also see them, the only way a reaper galleon gets you is because you are not paying enough attention, that has nothing to do with the update. Also, if you don't want to fight a Galleon after you saw it just sail against the wind, Galleons are way slower than the sloop against the wind.

@archangel-timmy
It was a Reddit post, so nothing concrete, but I was under the impression Alliance loot only effects leader-boards not necessarily gold and rep gains.

@god-ryuuske said in This update destroyed the game:

After my time with this update I can say a few things. First, the update definitely does not favor sloops at all, putting them at a further disadvantage (which I guess is the point of them but still). It doesn't matter if you are in an emissary or not, you will still get hunted. And in my experience, using the wind advantage really only gets you so far before you have to turn and a half way decent crew on a brig or gali will crosswind you and decimate.

i took on a brig the other day full of pirate legends on a sloop they couldn't ress cuz i was pounding them with cannonfire they ultimately sunk

Gali's are essentially the way now with the revive system. And that kinda sucks because it sort of ostracizes any one to two man parties. When you know no matter how good you are at pvp that you're gonna get wrecked by a gali (or brig in some cases) what's the point of the fight?

the revive takes ages to do while i hate the revive system not because of the advantages or disadvantages but because i think a revive mechanic has no place in a game like sea of thieves whatsoever

@xo-hunters
This update would have been great for solo sloops without revive mulligan and the GPS tracking. They should have left the result of losing PvP alone while only allowing the new faction the benefit of knowing that emissary ships are the best targets. A spyglass did the trick before but now when there are obvious visual clues that one has found a worthy target of piracy Rare has decided that players needed GPS too. Basically Rare gave crews a crutch with the revive perk while at the same time giving them the benefit of not having to search for targets.

These kinds of complaints is always hard to talk about due to the different skills of players... I was able to destroy two Galleons in a 4v1v4 fight. Was fun and chaotic. Didn't die at all. I even won many normal 1v3 and 1v4 fights just fine. However, sometimes I can't barely win or not at all win a 1v2 fight because the enemy pirates are of near equal skill or higher and thus I can only take them on in 1v1s...

What I am saying is that every session is going to be different and you will find that at times, you can fight and win against ships which has higher advantages but lower skill than you.

@rikology
It would have been great if the crowd needing the revive mulligan when they lose had stuck to candy crush. The developer might have focused more on appeasing consumers who wanted a better PvPvE experience.

@jusey1z
The.problem is that I do win against against numbers with a lower skill level. I lost plenty of times too but never complained about it. The risk of going to the ferry and having to wait to respawn while your ship is taking damage was what made the PvP worthwhile. Now that risk is gone for the lower skill crews that were otherwise losing to solo players. Nerfing solo players and offering a leg up for lower skill level crews was a move in the wrong direction for the game. Revive doesn't belong in this game at all.

@god-ryuuske
What I wrote about the final straw PvP with a three man crew defines what is wrong with the revive system. I had outmaneuvered them well enough to blast their hull and clean their deck with cannons. Instead of going to the ferry they just kept getting revived. As a result I eventually got sunk and had to deal with the same defeated crew reviving eachother on the water while I tried to get their rowboat and their loot. I essentially lost because I ran out of ammo while killing crew members I had already killed.

They were the sort of low skill big time trash talkers the developer intentionally bends over backward for. They got my ethnicity wrong with their racial slurs and taunts and they sure felt like highly skilled kings when they finally got me after a billion revives.

I loved this game before Rare handed it to casual players with little or no ability. Now there really isnt ant point of playing it. After the the three man crew incident I just grinded PvE and immediately surrendered to any crew that could catch me with no resistance whatsoever. That got intensely boring real fast so I just stopped signing on at all.

Imagine how great this new content would have been with out the revive perk.