A change

Rare, please don't do this. Those cosmetics were a 'thank you' to those of us who were around during the early days, when content was much more scarce than it is now.

If you release those cosmetic rewards again at any price (even for real money), it will be a slap in the face to the players who were around back then.

That said: I'm totally cool with the reskin/recolor releases. The reskinned ocean crawler weapons and bone crusher sets are really nice, and I'd be perfectly okay with a reskinned rum bottle EoR (just not the exact launch crew one), a reskinned drum and speaking trumpet with a scheme similar to the OG hungering deep models would be cool too. Basically any old cosmetic reskinned/recolored would be fine with me, but please don't release the exact same time limited cosmetics ever again. It just wouldn't be fair to those who sailed in those early days.

Another year and the cosmetics you have will be OG cosmetics too.

I wouldn’t stress about it

@wilbymagicbear said in A change:

I see no reason why players should be rewarded simply for being somewhere first.

I see no reason why time limited cosmetics should be released again for players who simply weren't around 😉

its a cosmetic i dont think founders are special i just think of them as a normal player like the last player i meet now real legends doesn't come from how much you can slap money onto a game a real legend is when you reach PL and go around in starter cosmetics like a boss because your unhappy of how the PL set looks like a joke no but seriously founders got their stuff for supporting the game at its early stages they're about as special and cool as someone who pre-orders a game to get some exclusive stuff that really doesn't matter while sure you cant get the stuff but its usually "ooo nice cosmetics" and then the people have already forgotten what cosmetics they use my crew that i meet calls me jewels because when they joined as randos i had 20 mermaid gems on my ship and thats special and OG in short people who are founders are basically the same as people who pre-order if rare would release the content for everybody would be no reason to pre-order im happy with my original ashen ship cosmetics and i really wouldn't care if the sold they original cosmetics again because its just that cosmetics

@wilbymagicbear said in A change:

I see no reason that players should be rewarded simply for being somewhere first.

And I see no reason why players should be rewarded simply for being.

We (I was beta and am sad I missed alpha) played when it wasn't cool to play. All the known streamers (whom now get their butts kissed by Rare for some dumb reason) were talking about how bad of a game SoT was. Heck, some of them still play, all while talking about SoT being bad.

Those that went out of our way to find the game, talk about the game and play the game for insane amounts of hours, well we are the first customers and we are still around playing. There is nothing wrong with Rare giving attention to those that help get the game to where it is now. Well, we did get attention. We did when you really had to sink in a ton of time and really had to work towards the gold and levels we were hitting. Maybe I am biased as I have always loved SoT and I happened to get in on the beta, BUT it's already bad enough that new/er players come now (after streamers finally said it's okay to play) and get handed everything. This game has been nerfed and nerfed and nerfed and nerfed. So, giving those of us that worked super hard, when the game was 90% harder something to thank us, well, there is nothing wrong with that. New/er players do not have to work for anything. Including levels, that y'all buy. When y'all fail, y'all come on the forums and say bad things about the game, the players and PCs.

So, you're a customer, as you bought the game. Cool. Play the game you bought and let those of us that played longer, harder and helped create what is actually in the game have our rewards, what few we actually have. Think about that. Which rewards do we actually have? Most of the rewards were from when the game came out and not even from alpha or beta. If you're that late to a game, oh well. Read news and watch videos and find out which games are going to be launching. For example, I can't even remember how long ago I pre-ordered Cyberpunk 2077. I'll be one of the first to play that because I went out and kept and eye on the gaming world.

I'll end my rambling there.

Love,
O.G.

Time limited exclusive items won't be returning in their original forms, but they are looking to bring many of the popular ones back in alternate colors. It's already started with the bonecrusher clothes.

I don't think it's right trying to devalue cosmetics that people earned or how they were earned, just because you don't have them and want them. Whatever your story is, you weren't here for the event or didn't qualify to receive them. They weren't "participate whenever you want to or get around to it" rewards. Everyone had the same opportunity to get them, when they were available.

You're here now.

The time limited cosmetics you collect today, will be the Launch Crew EoR's of tomorrow.

Think about what you are asking for a minute here. The Launch Crew EoR in particular, was a gift from Rare to the players who were there during the rocky and rough launch of this game. We were there. They gave us that weapon as a sign of appreciation so that we could mark the occasion.

Now you want just anyone to be able to buy it? Then what is the point in its existence? Launch Crew EoR should never be recoloured and never re-released. Same with the Banana Sails, Rare Sails, Deckhand Sails and Over-achiever sails. Those are/were given for specific things and should not be purchaseable.

Recolours of everything else is fine. But you're asking for a gold medal to become a participation trophy.

The World of Sea of Thieves is constantly changing, so why you need to have a special event quest to kill the megalodon when you have already 4 Megalodons out there, it makes no sense. The game has evolved with those event updates to come as it is now. There weren't megalodons back then, there weren't skelly ships back then... so you didnt make the event commendation back then because you didnt have the game but you expect the devs to make available the cosmetics someone earned with their sweat for just money? Or do you want that devs make the event quest again (making no sense to the story, because this already happened on the inside lore of the game timeline) so you can kill the megalodon or to kill the skelly ships to get those cosmetics?

For Kraken's fury!! I didnt have the game when the hungering deep was on!! And even I find the cosmetics cool, im not complaining on not having them! You guys already acomplished that the devs make this horrible decision to put "Variations" to cosmetics that were in the game before... Which takes off the effort people back then put into finishing thoose commendations. The game was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay harder before... WAAAAAAAAY Harder, we had our SHIP full with 50 cannon balls, 50 food (oh yeah, and remember that only BANANAS existed back then) and 50 Woods, cuz that was the limit that was stated back then for the ships. You have no idea how I sweated to destroy all those Skelly ships commendetions on the cursed sails update because of that stock limit. And now you want to get the same mission to acomplish it when you have already skelly ships around? Or just want it with all the not limited and easier changes they put into the game? Or do you just want to be able to buy it with doublons or gold? Cuz it just dont seem fair. Not even having those silly variations, that are nothing else than re-colours with any change, that EVERYONE CAN BUY WITH ALL THE DOUBLONS THEY ARE GIVING FOR FREE now.

It's like if 3 months later they put in-game again "dark relics" so everyone can get the "tittles" comendations. Just imagine as if the tittles were clothes, would you find cool that an event like that (which already has happened in the time line and has been solved by the pirates that were there delivering them) make his way again in to the game, so other people that just bought the game can get this tittles and clothes? I will answer for you, NOPE. It's just how the shared world of Sea of thieves evolve, you just cant do again the commendations that happened cuz they were already solved in the world... Everything will have a conection with the future updates, Why should we return back to those missions?

Everything is so pointless.

Yehaaaaa!!!
Spread the curse in the seas!!

@drbullhammer Yeah, and to be fair you had to collect all those before jumping on the encounter with the skellies, which took you a lot of time, cuz if you werent FULL u couldnt succed (even full we failed a lot of times). Btw the cannons weren't the problem, the woods were.

The whole point is that there is no sense on making thoose events again cuz of the difficult changes and because of the time-line evolution of the world. I dont really care about the exactly amount of limited storage we had, the thing is that was harder than nowadays, so they shouldn't be taking away the effort other old players put into those events, by having the same cosmetics those sea wolves earned. I'm pretty sure the Hungering deep one was a hard oponent in his first appearence and the pirates then had more limitations than now. Come on, you can now kill a Megalodon in 2 minutes without almost a bite.

I dont like the idea of recolours of those cosmetics, but at least its not that much "desprestigious" than having the original one.

Yehaaa!!
Spread the curse in the seas!

@JustInCase2004

No, original limited cosmetics should never be able to be earned again. The only thing they should do is the color variants like they’re doing now. And this is how they said they’re giving newer players a taste of old cosmetics while still respecting their older players’ participation in the old events.

Sea of Thieves is about building our legend, and having exclusive cosmetics that others will never possess is part of it. That exclusivity adds to the experience of building our unique legend and feeling connected to it, especially in a social game like this one.

Here - I’ll put myself in your shoes... I own every time limited item from year 1, but I do not own the launch crew gun, the day 1 patch, or the vanguard stuff. But that’s fine - it’s not a part of my legend and never will be nor should it be, because I wasn’t around for it.

People have some items that I will never have, and that’s okay because it tells a different story about their pirate that they can feel more connected to.

This just sounds like going to Mc Donalds and order a Happy Meal expecting to recive the toy from 6 months ago. You can complain all you want, but the toy is not in the meal anymore. If you wanted the toy you should have went there before to get your Happy Meal with your desired toy. That's all.

Yehaaa!!
Spread the curse in the seas!!

@justincase2004 You see that's what SOT is about, it's as much about losing as it is about winning. I was there for the meg event, I have the scar, drum and tattoo, but I wasn't ever on a crew that defeated the meg. So as hard as I tried I never received the meg figurehead. I don't want to see that figurehead in the shops, my loss is part of my story. If it was something for sale it would become meaningless and so would my memories of the event.

I didn't feel like a Legend either, I had a ton of cosmetics but I didn't feel like I was good enough to be Legend until the night we were half way through the Shores of Gold and my crewmate rage quit. I continued on alone because I was determined to keep trying. After killing a thousand skellies and dying a hundred times I defeated the Gold Hoarder. No gold or cosmetics could equal that moment, that was the moment I felt like a PL. Not because I was a great pirate which I'm not, but because I didn't give up even when I was discouraged beyond belief. I didn't give up because I was mad at my crewmate for quitting, so I couldn't. My crewmate actually gave me the opportunity to prove myself. We later discussed it and after playing it again we came to a greater understanding of each other and ourselves. That is no small thing, that is what makes the game great, that is what SOT's true potential is. It isn't about the kit, it's about your own personal experience, no one can give it to you and no one can take it away. So if someone thinks they are better than you because of a Day One patch that is their problem not yours.

I do understand how you feel, you were late to the party and the birthday boy has already blown the candles out, you missed it. You can't go back in time. No amount of cosmetics can change that but there will be other parties and they can become part of your story. I am an insider but I'll never be a pioneer, such is life.
What you put into the game is what you get out, there are many ways to play and you have the freedom to play as you wish, that is just as true for people who have started sailing today as it is for day one players. A digital trifle doesn't change that fact.

After years of beta testing seminal online games like Everquest and Ultima Online, I knew I wanted SoT when I first saw the water and heard it was going to be cosmetics driven.
I had to upgrade my potato pc to Win10 to pre-order.

I knew the time limited nature of the cosmetics would be what creates the envy in other players.

Nearly two years later this still holds true.

Proves Rare knows what it's doing.

@justincase2004 you could have been here back then too, you weren't. For those of us who were, we have cosmetics to tell our story.

I personally love hitting random on my pirate and seeing what shows up. Those old cosmetics remind me of the events. Stupid little things like the cursed sails event and the terrible timing. My friend carrying the tune for Hungering Deep, walking over the stairs and falling and losing the tune right as we got to the map location. If you weren't there to build those stories your pirate doesnt deserve to look like they were.

@wilbymagicbear said in A change:

The game has gotten too easy for sure, but that doesn't mean we should reward players for being somewhere first.

It was never a reward for being somewhere first. It was a reward for playing during a rough spot in the game's timeline. as you've agreed already the game was much harder then, and there was much less content

@wilbymagicbear said in A change:

@bactatankbill said in A change:

@wilbymagicbear said in A change:

The game has gotten too easy for sure, but that doesn't mean we should reward players for being somewhere first.

It was never a reward for being somewhere first. It was a reward for playing during a rough spot in the game's timeline. as you've agreed already the game was much harder then, and there was much less content

Ah yes, we early pioneers, we brave pirates who sacrificed our time to play before the major content updates. Truly, we noble few deserve special accommodation, for downloading this game a few months before the other guy.

sarcasm does a lot less to help your case than a simple explanation of your reasoning would. A lot less.

The only reason unique cosmetics like the Launch Crew EOR are so sought after is because they’re rare. Give them to everyone and you undermine the system of value.

@wilbymagicbear said in A change:

Fine. Being somewhere first doesn't make anyone special. Significant accomplishment does. Having downloaded the game first doesn't make you a better or special pirate. There's no reason to reward people for being older than others.

I agree with you that neither being somewhere first, nor downloading a game earlier than others are grounds for a reward. The problem there is that nothing is ever that cut-and-dried. Rare knew they released the game woefully early, and the content wasn't really there to encourage people to play their empty game, so they gave out those cosmetics as a 'thank you' to those of us who did log in during that time.

Not a reward for buying or playing early. A 'thank you' for logging in during that roughest of times in the history of this game.

No one was ever rewarded 'just for being there first'.

“Launch Crew” Eye of Reach - In celebration of being at sea for a month, we've added a special weapon to the store. This limited edition item will only be available for two weeks, so grab yours while you still can at a very reasonable price of 1 Gold!

Looks like they will continue to do exclusive cosmetics that won't always be available after their initial event. Evidenced by the recent twitch viewing rewards, onyx livery and cannons.

All people had to do was log in a browser to twitch and watch sea of thieves stream for 30 minutes and watch competition streams one day and they have some of the most exclusive skins. They are rewards for being somewhere at a certain time. Can't get them now.

Rare thinks those people deserve them. I would bet they wont suddenly think new players deserve the day one patch or the launch crew rifle. It's long been a standard in gaming that preorders and collectors editions and whatever's get exclusive skins. Lots of those skins become available to the rest of the customers down the road in different colors or some variation.

Maybe the launch crew rifle skin recolored will show up down the road as a reward for something else. Maybe the year 2 eye patch will be a thing. That's the best you can hope for.

Things some players deem super exclusive and hold players in high regard for having, others could care less about. Trying to devalue what some exclusive items were originally given for is petty and coming across as needing to continue arguing about it, when a solution for people that missed some popular skins has been presented and is in progress.

I wish I had spent the doubloon's on the Wailing Barnacle Figurehead, but I own the rest of the ship parts and clothes. Wish I bought the Ashen livery, but at least I bought the figurehead and weapons. I'm looking forward to recolored releases of those so I can get that figurehead and ashen livery finally, I hope they make those available.

What about the people that bought hardware to get exclusive skins? Should those skins suddenly be made available to all for no reason other than caring about the game?

I hope people get recolors of what they want, but I don't ever want the originals to be available to all suddenly for no reason.

@gutterangel said in A change:

“Launch Crew” Eye of Reach - In celebration of being at sea for a month, we've added a special weapon to the store. This limited edition item will only be available for two weeks, so grab yours while you still can at a very reasonable price of 1 Gold!

I was eligible to purchase the Launch Crew Eye of Reach but didn't realize it was a time-limited item. Suddenly it was gone and I missed out. That's the only one that really stings.

@genuine-heather Ouch, sorry. It's the same for a couple friends of mine too. They didn't like it but were sure they had bought it and when it was gone they both discovered they hadn't picked it up yet. It get's mentioned occasionally when I get mine out.

@wilbymagicbear said in A change:

@bactatankbill said in A change:

@wilbymagicbear said in A change:

@bactatankbill said in A change:

@wilbymagicbear said in A change:

The game has gotten too easy for sure, but that doesn't mean we should reward players for being somewhere first.

It was never a reward for being somewhere first. It was a reward for playing during a rough spot in the game's timeline. as you've agreed already the game was much harder then, and there was much less content

Ah yes, we early pioneers, we brave pirates who sacrificed our time to play before the major content updates. Truly, we noble few deserve special accommodation, for downloading this game a few months before the other guy.

sarcasm does a lot less to help your case than a simple explanation of your reasoning would. A lot less.

Fine. Being somewhere first doesn't make anyone special.

Tell that to the second man on the moon.

Being first, being a pioneer, being a deck hand, being one of the four Banana guys, it doesn't matter about the whys really. This game was always planned to have rare cosmetics, things that other people won't have and sometimes don't even know about. Stuff that starts a conversation. The real currency in this game is FOMO.

@wilbymagicbear said in A change:

I see no reason that players should be rewarded simply for being somewhere first.

It wasn't a race, already devaluing our achievements.

When I see a pirate with the lava scars, or regional sails, I have some idea what they had to do to earn those.

Should OP acquire the exact same scars and sails, how does he explain how he earned them?
He bought them from Duke?

Side splitting laughter from lava scarred pirates with regional sails ensues, while others seethe with anger.