Getting really sick and tired of these griefers

Usually video and voice proof dosen't do the trick either but still they encourage us to report toxic players.

@kitsunelegend69 I can understand that. - Most people ain't though and will probably mock you after this post because they are Pirates and do what pirates do, you'll just wait and see.

If people are doing that to you you can always just scuttle the ship, you'll respawn somewhere else away from them. If you're playing on Xbox hitting the middle button then y records a video of the last however long you've set it for, I think it's 1 minute by default.

Thats a part of the game - killing others.. if you dont wanna fight or dont fight back that doesnt mean that they should stop attacking you. I dont see any griefing there or anything you can report them for.. ppl play this game as they want.

@kitsunelegend69 there's been a message next to the ferry door for months telling you to scuttle if you're in this situation, fair enough on the no video thing, but just go to a different outpost to buy things, a lot of things can be bought at any outpost and even area specific things are at 2 outposts per area, except devils roar, so fairynuff if you're trying to buy from there.

@kitsunelegend69 I KNOW man but see what the others are writing to you and you understand what i mean.
You know what i think, if you haven't noticed that im agreeing with you.

@keslv said in Getting really sick and tired of these griefers:

Thats a part of the game - killing others.. if you dont wanna fight or dont fight back that doesnt mean that they should stop attacking you. I dont see any griefing there or anything you can report them for.. ppl play this game as they want.

its not. period. at least not for the open world.

rare are still trying to prevent players from mindlessly killing each other on the games default mode, while The Arena is the game mode were you must kill one another in order to get reward. but even for the Arena, dont be surprised if it involves more strategy to win rather than kills and deaths determining the winners and losers.

I get what you're saying but at the same time "some people" just want to dominate other players.

"Some people" have the proximity voice muted and don't bother reading the text chat. What I mean is that it doesn't matter what you say or type they just want to kill you and anyone else they see.

What's the solution ? Well the way I see it is that when Arena goes live people who like killing a lot will go there. People who like adventures will play that version and it will help the senselessness of just playing to dominate others.

It's like someone tailgating you. You can brake test them and play into their world or just pull over and let them be someone else problem. If I find someone on a mission to just kill me for no reason I'll leave that server and hope I join one where there is less of the alpha male domination activities happening. I usually type in the chat "Hey there, if you want to just kill me for no reason, I'm leaving the server, I have better things to do"

There should just be a system in place that permanently bans anyone who uses the wheel to say "WE'RE FRIENDLY!" or "TRUCE!" and inflicts player and/or ship damage within 5 minutes of saying it.
/joke

Anyway, griefers are annoying, but the game kind of encourages this kind of behavior. The devs can claim otherwise, but you cannot expect to have friendly encounters in a game like this.
This game, like EVE Online, is a haven for people who just wants to annoy other people, as much as possible.

And even if PvE servers were added, or a passive mode or whatever, griefers, true griefers, would find a new way to grief.
It is in their nature, you cannot escape them, all you can do, is accept that you are going to be griefed at times, it is unavoidable sadly =/

That isn't griefing mate. They just wanted to kill you. Some pirates are just like that. The reporting system isn't for players who kill you, it for people using racial slurs, and other toxic stuff.

There are greifers in this game sure, but what you just described is absolutely not griefing. Thats ridiculous.

@danish-crusader said in Getting really sick and tired of these griefers:

The devs can claim otherwise, but you cannot expect to have friendly encounters in a game like this.

I get into friendly encounters all the time playing this game. Its more rare to find another crew who wants to fight if anything. If you're having a hard time getting friendly encounters, its on you man.

Ahoy there, I see you've had a runin with some nasty pirates. Rare doesn't like toxic behaviour and while we can all get caught up in battle most of us don't throw profanities or toxicity towards people.

It's not strange for both Microsoft and Rare to require video and voice proof of toxicitiy. Otherwise I can just report you for this and have my whole discord community do the same and you'd be banned without proof of you ever saying a bad word.

Now I do have to say I'm not reading any actual toxic behaviour so can you please elaborate in what way they said anything toxic if they wren't responding to your pleas?

@kitsunelegend69

1. Going on to the seas looking for a fight is not griefing.
2. Killing someone from another crew is not griefing, even when done repeatedly.
3. Sinking another crews ship is not griefing.

Unless they are being obnoxious about it and using foul language it isn't griefing nor toxic. If they are using that type of language feel free to report them.

There is a good way to avoid this, be aware of your surroundings and sailing away. If you are caught you can scuttle or fight back or chill out with the ferryman.

I have been spawn camped, had crews just keep coming back and trying the ramming approach. It can be annoying, but there is enough ways to play around it. In the end this is a PvPvE world in which we encounter others.

Will they be friendly or foe and how will you respond?

If I find this sort of immature player, I'll just scuttle and move on - treasure acn always be earned again. But I know the difference between a bloodthirsty pirate and some immature "brodude" who is just killing for his jollies. I find them spawn killing me on the ship without even trying to plunder it or even sink it, I'll scuttle on the ferry at the first opportunity then hightail it back there to send a few across their broadside for good measure - you are usually at an advantage in this situation (as you are usually only an island away when you respawn) since at heart these players are typically cowards and ill-prepared for retaliation like this. If they cross the line and get abusive, then they'll definitely be getting reported though I have not really seen much of this yet (mainly just thrill killers).

I will also block such players immediately to reduce the chances I encounter them at a later date, I will not suffer fools.

I don't see anything that breaks the Sea of Thieves ToS. I've had this done to me a few different times and never once did i feel i was griefed. It was always my fault for letting my guard down.

You got bested. You win some, you lose some. If you didn't have any loot on board just scuttle or server hop and live to fight another day. The threat of PvP encounters is a part of the game whether you want to engage in it or not.

@kitsunelegend69

I'm on PC, so recording requires a lot more than a simple a button click. (I dont even have OBS set up after upgrading to windows 10)

Its actually far easier for PC. If you have a Nvidia Graphics card you can install their Shadowplay program free. Its go built in hotkeys, to literally stream/record with a click of a button. It also runs in the background with in ingame overlay.

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@keslv said in Getting really sick and tired of these griefers:

Thats a part of the game - killing others.. if you dont wanna fight or dont fight back that doesnt mean that they should stop attacking you. I dont see any griefing there or anything you can report them for.. ppl play this game as they want.

I see this comment sometimes... but... is it really?

If you'll note, there is no progression whatsoever attached to killing players. Or even sinking player ships.

I think that's intentional... senseless and purposeless killing is something Rare is trying to actively steer away from. So players like this is what make it so frustrating.

Steal my stuff! If I'm not fighting back, threaten me with death if they take it. The kill-on-site players will definitely drive folks away from SoT.

Game about having fun, if its fun for them why should they not do it ?
Like dude says before if topic starter want just purchase items from shop he can:

• switch server
• scuttle and go to other outpost
  Killing people where and how anybody wants its not against rules - its part of the game

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Customers were mostly well behaved but sometimes they would come in and be like "I'd like a burger with no cheese" and we'd be like "LoL, burgnewb.. this is a CHEESEburger joint, cheese is good for you, very nutritious with lots of calcium. On that burger you ordered we used the crumbly aged Vermont, do you appreciate how good that cheese is?! Its top quality! if you take the cheese off the cheeseburger, it's just a hamburger, and take a look at the sign out front it says CHEESEburgers. I dont CARE if you're lactose intolerant, there are plenty of places that are cheese free options, why dont you go there?".

We ran it from 2002 to 2008, six years, it was a good run.

@mysticdragon297 it is. Period. You bought a pvp game. A game world designed to be unsafe. From the very beginning Rare has said that other players were the both the primary threat and the primary prey of the game. I'm sorry if you just want to sail around and enjoy the beautiful game, and I actually understand that, but you are just going to have to deal with the nature of the game you bought.

Were those players being obnoxious? Definitely. Were they being griefers? I think its hard to argue that if all they were doing was killing you. I don't think its a decent way to play to kill people over and over again without an objective like stealing loot, or sinkimg their ship so the area is secure for yourself, but that dosen't make it griefing. And to say that killing other players, whether mimdless or not, isn't part of the game is just absurd.

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@lethality1 said in Getting really sick and tired of these griefers:

@nefrit-od said in Getting really sick and tired of these griefers:

Killing people where and how anybody wants its not against rules - its part of the game

But... IS IT?

Yes. The threat of being killed by other players is part of the game. It has been advertised as such since long before release.

Obviously I am playing devil's advocate here - killing pirates is part of the game.

But there is no game progression to that end being tracked, where there is for discovery, gold earned, chests turned in, and all of those elements.

So I'm just saying that just killing players for the sake of it, as the OP is discussing, could be argued thats not part of the game - because the game itself doesn't recognize it.

That in itself is a false equivalency. Games such as Doom (the original), Quake 3, Battlefield 1942 and Unreal Tournament also had no persistent statistics saved nor any "progression" tied multiplayer but were very much PvP games. I believe Rainbow Six Vegas was the first MP/pvp game to do this (persistent character with a progression online) , so that is a fairly recent feature. Possibly predated by some MMO, but even then it is still a recent feature nonetheless....and in no way what defines a PvP game (for the record, I think of this game as the developers do - PvPvE).

I also counter there are achievements attached to PvP - shooting someone in the back with a Blunderbuss, knocking them off their ship, hitting an opponent after being blocked, sinking another player's ship, etc. If it wasn't part of the game, there would be no achievements using your line of reason...right?

Just because it isn't tracked does not mean it isn't part of the game.

But at the same time, I also realize a difference between being a bloodthirsty pirate in game and those who can be considered griefers or annoyances at best - same as in many of the games I referenced above. It is a fine line there, I draw it at those who repeatedly spawn kill for no benefit (not taking treasure, supplies, attempting to sink ship, or keeping you occupied at an outpost while they unload) and those who are obviously being abusive. The Pirate Hunters (ones who just kill but don't overstep the bounds) I find more nuisances than anything. Repeated spawn killers (doing so for no benefit that is) I report, those just killing for the jollies I block to avoid at a later date. I may not respect their gameplay but realize it is allowed and try to account for that by being cautious.

@lethality1 said in Getting really sick and tired of these griefers:

@ghostpaw said in Getting really sick and tired of these griefers:

@lethality1 said in Getting really sick and tired of these griefers:

@nefrit-od said in Getting really sick and tired of these griefers:

Killing people where and how anybody wants its not against rules - its part of the game

But... IS IT?

Yes. The threat of being killed by other players is part of the game. It has been advertised as such since long before release.

Obviously I am playing devil's advocate here - killing pirates is part of the game.

But there is no game progression to that end being tracked, where there is for discovery, gold earned, chests turned in, and all of those elements.

So I'm just saying that just killing players for the sake of it, as the OP is discussing, could be argued thats not part of the game - because the game itself doesn't recognize it.

The game recognizes it and the appeal of it. There is no need to promote it so more people will do it for progress sake.

It is how the PvE and PvP interact with potential of great or no loot based on the crew you challenge, with the trill of battle that is enough motivation for players.

It is very much a part of the game, we have the pink flame, a reapers flag, cloud events and predictable high rewarding voyages to provide known hot targets.

They work towards the same objectives, just in a different, mostly more time consuming, way.

Just as we have a group of pirates that dislikes PvP, we have a group of pirates that it is all they live for on these seas.