@thebandit0101 sagte in The Flag Issue:
They should just remove the rainbow flag. It creates too much unrest in the community. Before anyone asks, no I dont support the lgbt community. Not going into political discussion, so I will go ahead and make that known. But adding political stand points such as that into the game will only create tension and rifts in the community.
+1
To me its a 100% Troll Flag and not in any kind of stylish or funny way.
@xxx1ra1xxx said in The Flag Issue:
@onyx-wartooth said in The Flag Issue:
Can we kill these threads now? Itll make me do a revision on my thread about the forums being a mess...
I will also like for this threads to stop, but after we know what is going to happen, if nobody says anything this will be forgotten, and there’s still many people like me who want the rainbow flag to be removed, so I know it’s annoying for many people to be seeing this kinds of posts, but its also annoying for us to get ignored without knowing and getting told the truth about if this flag is staying or not
Rare been said the flag aint going no where, its their game n they fully support the LGBT community
Theyve answered, thats why all the flag posts are getting deleted or locked cuz its a closed manner
@lucky-monkee said in The Flag Issue:
@thebandit0101 the flag has the meaning you give it to and you dont have to fly it.
And taking offense in colors is just plain stupid, sorry.
It’s not about the colors, it’s about it’s meaning, it was clearly added for pride month.
So go now and find some real-world issues to solve. Like finding out how to make rainbows not appear when it's raining.
That’s the thing, we (ones who dislike rainbow flag being in the game) mean, we are here in a game’s forums, talking about the game.
We play the game for pirate stuff, not for real world issues that have nothing to do with the game, that are unnecessary, by the way
@lucky-monkee said in The Flag Issue:
@xxx1ra1xxx I am gonna try something insanely stupid now.
tell me why the flag's meaning is bad?
I actually don’t care about it’s meaning, as I said the thing is that a rainbow flag isn’t logical to be in this game, it’s annoying to find political correctness everywhere even where it doesn’t fit.
So now I’m asking a question, why you find the flag good to be in the game?
@simplybutta its staying we gotta accept it, but the matter is, they shouldn't add more, one slip up is enough.
If they didn't add it from the get go, it wouldn't be such a problem, after that the ones asking for the flag would've stopped because pride month would be over.
Because nobody cares as much to support LGBTQrstuvwxy and z now i know my a b c blah blh, nobody would card after this month because its not in their face everywhere, its like any other holiday, nobody gives a f*** after its done and over with. your not going to buy Christmas presents in july near the 4th of july.
@simplybutta said in The Flag Issue:
@xxx1ra1xxx said in The Flag Issue:
@onyx-wartooth said in The Flag Issue:
Can we kill these threads now? Itll make me do a revision on my thread about the forums being a mess...
I will also like for this threads to stop, but after we know what is going to happen, if nobody says anything this will be forgotten, and there’s still many people like me who want the rainbow flag to be removed, so I know it’s annoying for many people to be seeing this kinds of posts, but its also annoying for us to get ignored without knowing and getting told the truth about if this flag is staying or not
Rare been said the flag aint going no where, its their game n they fully support the LGBT community
Okay man is their game and they fully support LGBT, but the thing is that everyone is paying for the game as everyones opinion counts
Theyve answered, thats why all the flag posts are getting deleted or locked cuz its a closed manner
It isn’t good to be locking posts for saying an opinion of an item from the game, theres no way to justify that
@xxx1ra1xxx Because it shows positive support to a group of people. The flag doesn't keep people who do not support the LGBT from playing the game to begin with, so I don't understand why it being in the game is an issue.
Jolly Roger isn't logical, it carries a lot of political meaning
Black flag isn't logical - many cultures use it a symbol of death and it may be insulting to dilute it in a video game.
We could go on. Let's face it, you have something against they symbolism it carries, you just chose to ignore Jolly Rogers for example because "it fits the game".
I like it, I would like a yellow flag as well.. and a pink one both of them carry the meaning of charity in some societies (mainly supporting cancer victims).
But yeah, its cheerful and for some reason crews who I have met with it are awesome and always friendly(had a encounter where we met up and then set rules for the naval battle which we were going to have - how amazing was that) Basically that is the only flag that has carried real meaning for me so far.
Oh and why pink again, I'd love to be the pink pirate, it's not fitting and thats the point :D
Some may not know this - real pirates of history not only held open acceptance for homosexuality, but they had gay marriages called matelotage.
Pirates were about freedom and lived somewhat of a bohemian lifestyle. They were more interested in being free of puritanical constraints and celebrating life than murder and violence.
Just tossing that out there.
@lucky-monkee I know I keep being technically here, but if a pirate is flying a Black Flag, that's actually a good thing, because it meant that they took prisoners. Now, if they where flying a White Flag on the other hand, it meant that they didn't, so good luck. Better run while you still can.
@evilramennoodle said in The Flag Issue:
...but if a pirate is flying a Black Flag, that's actually a good thing, because it meant that they took prisoners. Now, if they where flying a White Flag on the other hand, it meant that they didn't, so good luck. Better run while you still can.
I didnt know that, thats cool!
@lucky-monkee Yep, that's why I laugh every time I see someone say "white is peaceful" in these forums. Ahhhh, our modern color meanings... So funny.
@evilramennoodle said in The Flag Issue:
@xxx1ra1xxx Because it shows positive support to a group of people. The flag doesn't keep people who do not support the LGBT from playing the game to begin with, so I don't understand why it being in the game is an issue.
I have literally no idea about how introducing a rainbow flag will help people in real life, that support you are talking about it’s just unnecessary, by that examples you gave I can say everything that is positive is good for the game, like actual times hospitals, because they help people to cure, or airplanes, because they help people moving, thats the thing, if is unnecessary and it affects the essence of the game lets just keep it out of it
@xxx1ra1xxx To be frank, it's Rare's game. They wanted to incorporate the Rainbow Flag for the LGBT community, and so they did. They have that right as the developers. But, now that it is in the game, why still fight about it? It holds no mechanical advantage. It's just a cosmetic. Even if there wasn't a point (in your oppinion), it is already in the game, like they wanted.
@xxx1ra1xxx said in The Flag Issue:
@evilramennoodle said in The Flag Issue:
@xxx1ra1xxx Because it shows positive support to a group of people. The flag doesn't keep people who do not support the LGBT from playing the game to begin with, so I don't understand why it being in the game is an issue.
I have literally no idea about how introducing a rainbow flag will help people in real life, that support you are talking about it’s just unnecessary, by that examples you gave I can say everything that is positive is good for the game, like actual times hospitals, because they help people to cure, or airplanes, because they help people moving, thats the thing, if is unnecessary and it affects the essence of the game lets just keep it out of it
Semantics count more then you think they do. Its actually all about semantics.
So pleas cut to the chase, why dont you like the flag?
@xxx1ra1xxx said in The Flag Issue:
@evilramennoodle said in The Flag Issue:
@xxx1ra1xxx Because it shows positive support to a group of people. The flag doesn't keep people who do not support the LGBT from playing the game to begin with, so I don't understand why it being in the game is an issue.
I have literally no idea about how introducing a rainbow flag will help people in real life, that support you are talking about it’s just unnecessary, by that examples you gave I can say everything that is positive is good for the game, like actual times hospitals, because they help people to cure, or airplanes, because they help people moving, thats the thing, if is unnecessary and it affects the essence of the game lets just keep it out of it
You may be confused how it is beneficial because, like me, you are not one of the LGBTQ, so you don't understand how difficult it can be for them within a society full of people, and institutions, that AT BEST disapprove of them, never mind attack them, and make laws against them.
By openly making it clear that you welcome them, you alleviate some of that concern/stress/anxiety and legitimate fear they have when dealing with others (that may turn ugly toward them).
Welcoming that flag says, "I support you, we're here together, you're cool with me, so don't worry about that".
It's easy to not understand the full experience of people, without living in their shoes.
However, it's also not too difficult to begin to learn what others experience and gain some understanding through their perspective.
They are currently oppressed people. And this tiny gesture goes a long way toward making them feel more comfortable. That's a good thing.
@lucky-monkee said in The Flag Issue:
Jolly Roger isn't logical, it carries a lot of political meaning
Black flag isn't logical - many cultures use it a symbol of death and it may be insulting to dilute it in a video game.
Jolly Roger’s flag was used by pirates, I dont know how does it carries political meanings but I already know if thats true it doesnt matters because it’s a pirate flag so yeah it’s logical for it to be in the game, if that has political meaning doesnt matter because that meaning isnt included in the game, the only meaning in the game jolly roger flag has is pirate meaning.
Black flag is also a pirate themed flag, it’s also supposed to be used for a death meaning by using it because thats whats about and its about pirate stuff
@lucky-monkee said in The Flag Issue:
@xxx1ra1xxx said in The Flag Issue:
@evilramennoodle said in The Flag Issue:
@xxx1ra1xxx Because it shows positive support to a group of people. The flag doesn't keep people who do not support the LGBT from playing the game to begin with, so I don't understand why it being in the game is an issue.
I have literally no idea about how introducing a rainbow flag will help people in real life, that support you are talking about it’s just unnecessary, by that examples you gave I can say everything that is positive is good for the game, like actual times hospitals, because they help people to cure, or airplanes, because they help people moving, thats the thing, if is unnecessary and it affects the essence of the game lets just keep it out of it
So pleas cut to the chase, why dont you like the flag?
That was already explained
Just to be clear?
People are upset...because of a block, made up of a few different colours...flying from the top of some people's masts...because the meaning that they derive from it...offends them?
Or am I wrong? Because last I checked even the in-game description didn't mention anything about the LGBT+ community. It did, however, mention "Questioning if it has gold under it".
Yknow, just one pirate's opinion but: If you're deriving a deeper meaning from this or are upset that it's "involving to many real world issues in mah vidya gaemz" then really, it's because you want to see those issues in what is, in itself, a perfectly innocent piece of virtual cloth.
TL;DR
Don't be offended by colours! Be offended by intentions and meanings!
And if you have to assume these meanings, don't also assume that your assumptions are true.
The flag is fine.
It astounds me- the amount of people who actually believe the Jolly Roger was an common pirate flag. It wasn't, if it was even used at all. It was a fictional flag given to the fictional Blackbeard on the fictional Queen Anne's Revenge. Edward Teach- the man the Blackbeard legends where based around- flew many different flags, mostly flag corresponding to other countries to confuse his targets while privateering.
@evilramennoodle said in The Flag Issue:
@xxx1ra1xxx To be frank, it's Rare's game. They wanted to incorporate the Rainbow Flag for the LGBT community, and so they did. They have that right as the developers. But, now that it is in the game, why still fight about it? It holds no mechanical advantage. It's just a cosmetic. Even if there wasn't a point (in your oppinion), it is already in the game, like they wanted.
Thats all that is about, as you said it has no mecanical meaning so why would you like it in the game? Oh yeah for its meaning, then, as I said, this is what all is about, we dislike it for it’s message, for being a message that no matther which it just has no place in this game, the messags we (ones who dislike the rainbow flag) see is that political correctness is being bringing to our game, with totally in-game unnecessary purposes.
So as you said, it’s Rare’s game yes, it’s Rare’s game, but we paid dor it so everyone who has paid money for it has at least the right to make an opinion, but the funny thing is that we get our threads locked.
@thebandit0101 said in The Flag Issue:
They should just remove the rainbow flag. It creates too much unrest in the community. Before anyone asks, no I dont support the lgbt community. Not going into political discussion, so I will go ahead and make that known. But adding political stand points such as that into the game will only create tension and rifts in the community.
There is no “flag issue”, just a “bigot issue.” And frankly, I’m over it already. Nobody asked for your support. If you can’t handle one little rainbow flag in a game that has always openly advocated diversity, tolerance and inclusion...you are playing the wrong game. Adios.
@mistoes said in The Flag Issue:
Shh we not allowed to show or support any movements or promote them in game only rare can :D seems like it. And yes remove the flag you created unrest in the community with that agenda flag rare i want to report you to you for creating unrest and not following your own rules bann yourselves plz
I read this whole thing as a whisper due to the shh in the beginning, no matter what ur message was reading it like a librarian made me laugh
@xxx1ra1xxx You're getting your thread locked because it's against the Pirate Code, which was a Code you willingly agreed to when you purchased the game.
@evilramennoodle said in The Flag Issue:
It astounds me- the amount of people who actually believe the Jolly Roger was an common pirate flag. It wasn't, if it was even used at all. It was a fictional flag given to the fictional Blackbeard on the fictional Queen Anne's Revenge. Edward Teach- the man the Blackbeard legends where based around- flew many different flags, mostly flag corresponding to other countries to confuse his targets while privateering.
But it’s pirate themed, right? Thats the reason why the Jolly Roger flag is good to be in this game, no matter it's other meanings, the thing is here has a pirate purpose, like the guns, guns do have other purposes in real life like doing bad stuff or wars or stuff like that but the guns purpose in this game is for pirate stuff so is good as the Jolly Roger flag.
@xxx1ra1xxx I think you misunderstood what I said. I honestly wish I spoke Spanish, so I could explain it easier to you. Language is such a fickle thing.
@evilramennoodle said in The Flag Issue:
@xxx1ra1xxx You're getting your thread locked because it's against the Pirate Code, which was a Code you willingly agreed to when you purchased the game.
Which pirate code and how do I disrespected it?
@evilramennoodle said in The Flag Issue:
@xxx1ra1xxx I think you misunderstood what I said. I honestly wish I spoke Spanish, so I could explain it easier to you. Language is such a fickle thing.
No man don’t worry I perfectly understood what you said, or if that’s not the case you can tell me how I did missunderstood it instead of you changing the subject
@xxx1ra1xxx
Article 1 - The Sea Calls To Us All
Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed.
@simplybutta Eh I wouldn't say that. Just a matter of opinion, belief, and experience which I already expressed on my crew thread.
How ever he is going about this the wrong way. I beliefs fans should make their own flags in game (and then approved by the mods or devs, which then will decide whether the flag is appropriate.) That way, people can have the pride flag and (almost) any flag they want as long as it's appropriate.
But again that's my opinion on the subject.
@evilramennoodle said in The Flag Issue:
@xxx1ra1xxx
Article 1 - The Sea Calls To Us All
Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed.
No man I didn’t broke that code, I respect it, I never said the opposite of that code, or if you still thing I’m wrong and I broke that code you can prove to me how did I broke it
The game is not intended to be 100% historically accurate. Most of the other flags are no more “piratey” than the rainbow flag. There are no hard and fast rules about what flag a pirate might fly. Pirates were not what you’d call conformists. The rainbow is a universal image as old as time, itself. In the game, it can mean whatever you want it to mean, just like all the other flags. It’s really no big deal, or at least it shouldn’t be.
@xxx1ra1xxx said in The Flag Issue:
@lucky-monkee said in The Flag Issue:
@xxx1ra1xxx I am gonna try something insanely stupid now.
tell me why the flag's meaning is bad?
I actually don’t care about it’s meaning, as I said the thing is that a rainbow flag isn’t logical to be in this game, it’s annoying to find political correctness everywhere even where it doesn’t fit.
So now I’m asking a question, why you find the flag good to be in the game?
Well for one thing, it’s freeking gorgeous. That’s actually enough reason for me.
