Flags... I mean??

Moral of the story...

Flags need a clear definition via Rare in game on meaning/intent of each flag. This will create new interactions and or role play opportunities. And give clear instructions to new players and players who do not utilize forums/reddit.

This whole dedication to bananas and blue flag, and less to clean up while somewhat witty is truthfully wasted text that could have been used as guidance instead.

@mubhcaeb78 said in Flags... I mean??:

A flag raised is the same as raising canons, waving, wearing basic clothing, or leaving lanterns on.
A way a player can communicate with others, unfortunately not everyone will understand what is being communicated, nor always show their intentions through it.

Which is why clear direction from rare in game is necessary. Regardless if its used as intended or not.

Raising cannons and lanterns again is another forum/reddit thing. I'd wager that majority of players have never seen this forum especially xbox users as forums are primarily a PC thing. (Not saying there aren't any xbox users on forums I'm one of them)

@wilderness03 said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz
If rare wanted clear cut laws theyd be there.... Im positive of it.
Surely they didn't think up flags in 1 day... I mean you believe they created the flags without somebody ever mentioning "should we name them" "should we give them meaning"..
It was discussed ... And thrown out.

Yes I do.

Do you think rare wanted the exact same bilge rat in every tavern? Do you think they wanted no anchor?

How did that discussion go? Hey let's add life to the taverns... well we could put ol Duke in every single one I guess. Sounds great roll with it.

How should anchors look? Hmm invisible sounds good to me...

Does the kraken need a body? Naw naw ok no body then, just floating arms sound good put it in.

There are tons of examples in this game of stuff that was thrown in with no afterthought.

How about the exact same figure head with a SLIGHTLY different color that you couldn't even notice... o yea they removed that didnt they? But somehow it made it in the game to begin with. So yes I truthfully 100% believe that these flag descriptions were thrown in with little thought.

@m4dkraut said in Flags... I mean??:

I know in a gaming world where games always tell you what to do, it is hard to learn that it is up to US the players to utilize them and give them a purpose

I'm not against this at all. It's the fact that not everyone uses the same programs for info. If we were to say right here right now that the yellow flag means im looking to fight this would only reach people who read the forums. This is the point I'm trying to make.

@wilderness03 said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz
Lololol.... Okay you got it... Let me know how that goes for you...
And your flag system....

Telling rare what they should have done is the entire forum.. Judging by the looks of the game they listen very well.

Grabbing at air.

The point being there is PLENTY of items in this game that was thrown in with little thought, you cannot deny this.

@katttruewalker said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz

There's a thread here discussing possible meanings for flags -

https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/61153/what-the-flags-mean

I do remember either Joe or Mike mentioning that they're looking forward to seeing how the community decides to use these, so I think it's up to us?

I dont think anyone is understanding the entire point of this thread....

We have a game that is server based in which you cannot choose who you sail with other than your own ship & crew.

People will use flags however they see fit but the next ship will have a completely different use for the same flag no uniformity. These flags are one of those things that need clear definition.

What does it matter if I use the checkered flag to show that I'm hunting the kraken for example if no one else knows that's what it is for ? How could this ever work?

If right here on these forums we decide to unanimously use the red flag to show that we are looking for other ships to sail with.... what does that mean for the players who never once read these forums? These flags will ever have different meanings to different players unless otherwise defined.

I get the whole let's see what the community does with it, what I dont get is how it will ever work. Especially since everyone will be flying them based on their own rules.

@zyrkal said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz said in Flags... I mean?? :

Do you think rare wanted the exact same bilge rat in every tavern? :

• It was the fastest way to implement the system later we will put different NPC for each outpost like any other NPC in the game

Do you think they wanted no anchor?

• The work needed to put the anchor in-game was too big compare to what it could bring

Does the kraken need a body?

• No because when he is there the water is black anyway
• Oh ! People are complaining about it ?
• Ok let's think about it for later we will see if it usefull or not for the game

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So before crying do your research and try to understand why they do it the way they did.
It doens't mean they can't do mistakes, but if you haven't try to work on a game or any big project like that... try to think a little bit before posting accusations.

You're entire post is just wrong. It doesnt matter why it was done the point was it wasn't what they originally wanted. So before crying about crying start reading and comprehending the topic at hand.

@m3r1zl340k said in Flags... I mean??:

Isn't that what we are supposed to be doing right now? Defining the flags as a community? We decide what they mean, then maybe Rare can update the descriptions in game?

I can get behind this for sure. Just so long as one day its updated in game.

@blam320 said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz said in Flags... I mean??:

@katttruewalker said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz

There's a thread here discussing possible meanings for flags -

https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/61153/what-the-flags-mean

I do remember either Joe or Mike mentioning that they're looking forward to seeing how the community decides to use these, so I think it's up to us?

I dont think anyone is understanding the entire point of this thread....

We have a game that is server based in which you cannot choose who you sail with other than your own ship.

People will use flags however they see fit but the next ship will have a completely different use for the same flag no uniformity. These flags are one of those things that need clear definition.

What does it matter if I use the checkered flag to show that I'm hunting the kraken for example if no one else knows that's what it is for ? How could this ever work?

If right here on these forums we decide to unanimously use the red flag to show that we are looking for other ships to sail with.... what does that mean for the players who never once read these forums? These flags will ever have different meanings to different players unless otherwise defined.

I get the whole let's see what the community does with it, what I dont get is how it will ever work. Especially since everyone will be flying them based on their own rules.

"You cannot choose who you sail with" were you not here when they added closed/open crews? You don't have to worry about being forced to group up with a bunch of randos anymore.

As in the server man... cmon read the post. Other than YOUR CREW. I was referring to other ships on the same server as you.

@blam320 said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz said in Flags... I mean??:

@blam320 said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz said in Flags... I mean??:

@katttruewalker said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz

There's a thread here discussing possible meanings for flags -

https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/61153/what-the-flags-mean

I do remember either Joe or Mike mentioning that they're looking forward to seeing how the community decides to use these, so I think it's up to us?

I dont think anyone is understanding the entire point of this thread....

We have a game that is server based in which you cannot choose who you sail with other than your own ship.

People will use flags however they see fit but the next ship will have a completely different use for the same flag no uniformity. These flags are one of those things that need clear definition.

What does it matter if I use the checkered flag to show that I'm hunting the kraken for example if no one else knows that's what it is for ? How could this ever work?

If right here on these forums we decide to unanimously use the red flag to show that we are looking for other ships to sail with.... what does that mean for the players who never once read these forums? These flags will ever have different meanings to different players unless otherwise defined.

I get the whole let's see what the community does with it, what I dont get is how it will ever work. Especially since everyone will be flying them based on their own rules.

"You cannot choose who you sail with" were you not here when they added closed/open crews? You don't have to worry about being forced to group up with a bunch of randos anymore.

As in the server man... cmon read the post. Other than YOUR CREW.

You said other than your own ship. That didn't say your own crew.

Your own ship is your crew should I have defined that more clearly?

There it's fixed lol

(on a side note you were always able to invite crewmates randoms were only to fill empty slots)

@wilderness03 Ahh the delight that is living in the current year. A cheerfully animated cartoonish video-game that allows little, budding sociopaths to hone their skills. At the same time... Don't dare point them out on the forums when they do it. Fortunately they tend to point themselves out for us. What a time to be alive.

@wilderness03 said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz said in Flags... I mean??:

@katttruewalker said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz

There's a thread here discussing possible meanings for flags -

https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/61153/what-the-flags-mean

I do remember either Joe or Mike mentioning that they're looking forward to seeing how the community decides to use these, so I think it's up to us?

I dont think anyone is understanding the entire point of this thread....

We have a game that is server based in which you cannot choose who you sail with other than your own ship.

People will use flags however they see fit but the next ship will have a completely different use for the same flag no uniformity. These flags are one of those things that need clear definition.

What does it matter if I use the checkered flag to show that I'm hunting the kraken for example if no one else knows that's what it is for ? How could this ever work?

If right here on these forums we decide to unanimously use the red flag to show that we are looking for other ships to sail with.... what does that mean for the players who never once read these forums? These flags will ever have different meanings to different players unless otherwise defined.

I get the whole let's see what the community does with it, what I dont get is how it will ever work. Especially since everyone will be flying them based on their own rules.

So the deckhand just showed you that they literally said looking forward to how the players decide it to be...
My point is you all will never come to an established set in stone no difference system.....
Even if you do.... There are thousands in game who do not discuss and take the game as it is dripfed ....

Even if you do agree and develop meanings the meanings and intents are worthless when you have no idea who's using your system or knows what YOU believe it to mean.

No what I'm saying is unless clearly defined in game no matter what the community defines the uses as, it will never work 100% unless defined in game. People will use the flags however they see fit regardless on what we agree the uses are on forums or reddit which is already different mind you.

Just because we say here what the red flag means will not have the same meaning for someone who doesnt sail the forums are you getting me yet?

@wilderness03 said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz
That it won't work and they should define in game which they have literally told you will not happen anytime soon if at all.....
You have been kind of arguing all over the place for it against it why it would work why it wouldn't.....

Ive told you the same thing 11 ways....

It wont be in game...
And a player created system wont work.

Create a playsr system that stops the griefing complaints and the campers....
See my point now ?

I dont know why you are arguing this. Ok here If they implemented a defined system in game it wont work 100% (because people do what people want) but it will work for those who play that way. Right now with random community designated uses across different communities it will almost never work.

The very reason of these forums is to bring ideas that may or may not incite change. Remember the death penalty thing that got squashed? Just because they say no doesnt mean that wont change in the future.

Right now we have a new flag system something I advocated for long ago right here on these very forums. But what we have is a flag system with no defined rules where players use them however they want. So what a flag means to you when you hoist it means something completely different to others. With clearly defined roles of each flag IE the HD flag regardless of it's being ignored we ALL know what its use or intent is.

This cannot be argued. I dont get your side honestly. These forums are for discussion, right? Its like you're trying to disprove me without any words of disproof just naw you're wrong and it will never happen??

Not to mention you dont know it won't be in game, none of us know. Heck tomorrow they could say hey we added use statements for each flag.

Will flags stop griefing and what not.... no not at all not even in the slightest. But it is a way to communicate with the players who are out to make friends but as it is now, no one has any idea what the distant ship is trying to communicate via flags because everyone has their own uses.

I have been arguing the same point. What I am NOT against is the community deciding the uses of each flag so long as rare eventually places these uses in game for EVERYONE to see. This is fine and will work.

@wilderness03 said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz
I can see rare now..... We retract what we said about seeing what the players do with it.... Our next patch we will roll out our flag laws...
Also I am part of the discussion.
I play the game that rare gives me....
I could wish for a lot.
But as i said before.
In a game of shoulda beens woulda beens there is a lot of disappointment....
Please let me know how your request goes for you.

So they couldn't implement flag rule set based on community feedback?

They retracted the death penalty... so its definitely possible. So I'm assuming your entire argument is not that you dont really disagree it's that the chances of this happening is slim to none

As far as wishing for alot, post it.

You miss 100% of the shots you dont take. -Wayne Gretsky

@nwo-azcrack said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz
They said in the dev vid they wanted the community to decide what they mean

Yes, this is well known. I'm saying once its clearly defined if it's going to be based on community usage then it needs to be defined in game or it's all for naught. Naw meeeen. Because not everyone is a part of forums or reddit.

@nwo-azcrack said in Flags... I mean??:

@rdizz
I dont see everyone ever getting on the same page. Im one of them. I dont care what ppl come up with. Ill just keep flying whatever i want that day.

Yup, but If it was defined in game those who would follow each flag meaning would. So the chances of running into someone using the flag for its actual intent would/should dramatically increase.

Right?