@ve111a Post count doesn't always guarantee quality or high level of positive engagement... the criteria or this was always kept a secret...
How can someone be a pioneer ?
@ve111a but those titles are meaningful.
It reveals dedication and interest in SoT since long time ago. So obviously those players should be rewarded too.We all had the same opportunity to apply for insider, founder and Pioneers back then. So it's fair to say that people with long bonds to it should be called first.
But obviously, active ones!Sometimes there were extenuating circumstances lol I've been a fan since it was announced but I messed up siging up and had to re do it after I didn't get into the alpha before the cutoff date losing out on founder but this is me just speaking personally and on my situation where I'd love to do founder and know I'd be great for it and I'm sure there are others out there like me too lol
@bloodfrenzy187 I originally suggested a hunger games style selection process.... I wasn't taken up on the idea then.
Maybe the time is now!
I am confident that the current pioneers and any new possible pioneers will continue to do a great job of supporting and improving Sea of Thieves.
I think some people need to realise that being a pioneer is not all just fun and games. A lot of work goes into testing aspects of a game, re-testing, reporting and providing feedback.
The pioneers, in my opinion, sacrifice their in-game time to work-on and test new game features and that's worthy of our praise.
Let's get behind our pioneers and continue to support and encourage them for the benefit of the entire Sea of Thieves community.
@ve111a said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
Sure bring them back but I want in! lol. We are all here on the forums because we love the game and want our voices heard. I for one would love to do it and do more testing and giving my feedback to help shape this game. @KattTruewalker hint hint lol.
I don't think they have any new griefing mechanics they need tested.
oh have you guys met @steelroots55 , he's a wonderful gentleman that likes to follow me around criticize my posts and thinks this is a PVE game. He's a leading expert on this game and before I met him I always thought this was a pvpve game little did I know. Thanks for looking out for me buddy
@ve111a said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
oh have you guys met @steelroots55 , he's a wonderful gentleman that likes to follow me around criticize my posts and thinks this is a PVE game. He's a leading expert on this game and before I met him I always thought this was a pvpve game little did I know. Thanks for looking out for me buddy
I wish I had a fanclub, you lucky pirate
You're welcome. Though I haven't singled you out. I'm attempting to enlighten all griefers and make the game a better place for good, true pirates.
@steelroots55 said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
@ve111a
I haven't singled you out.Calling someone a griefer for playing a game where they prefer pvp, that is focused on pvp, Is hilarous. Thanks for the all the laughs the community has had at your posts! It's always good to get some humor in here! Also, Try not to continue to derail threads @Deckhands don't really like people intentionally going to lengths to derail a polite thread :)
@a-trusty-mango I will just say pioneers were not playing the launch build and as everyone we were expecting more content inside the launch version package.
You probably played the betas, you saw the patch notes and you probably expected the launch version to be more than what the beta offered so you cannot judge others based on that.
It's always easy to attack when you were not involved in the process, content is usually never an issue when it comes to games, core mechanics like the spawn one are of vital importance to not create undesired experiences.
You thought ships spawning in the next island was bad? Try players spawning 10 feet away from ashore with full ammo and hp.@a-trusty-mango said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
@nunoazuldimeter That's wonderful but that is what the closed and open betas are for, which the pioneers were apart of but then so were the insiders. Saying you were working on smoothing out bugs in the closed alpha is once again focusing on the bruises then the gaping wound next to it.
gave a thumbs up sign to the girl you like pretty much when they ask if the hair cut looks good but it doesn't really.
wait, Did you just say @NunoAzuldimeter has bad hair? Not cool man.... Not cool. That's a low blow.
@wturok said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
@a-trusty-mango I will just say pioneers were not playing the launch build and as everyone we were expecting more content inside the launch version package.
You probably played the betas, you saw the patch notes and you probably expected the launch version to be more than what the beta offered so you cannot judge others based on that.
It's always easy to attack when you were not involved in the process, content is usually never an issue when it comes to games, core mechanics like the spawn one are of vital importance to not create undesired experiences.
You thought ships spawning in the next island was bad? Try players spawning 10 feet away from ashore with full ammo and hp.I dunno, after playing the alphas and betas, I expected just about what we got. Heard that we'd have 3 companies, knew about the merchant alliance being fetch quests for animals, had played the OoS missions in the alpha and of course, the gold hoarders. They seemed to be pretty clear about these things, if people assumed this or that... well, perhaps that's on the people making the assumptions.
@a-trusty-mango
You are missing 1 key thing m8, we only tested what Rare wanted us to test!!
We didn't know how much content we weren't seeing, how were we supposed to know.
We were asked to test certain features before they were released to the founders, or sometimes to just test polished features they were happy with.
We didn't have any further knowledge of the game than anyone else, only what Rare wanted us to see.
The pioneers were basically pre testers, so if you want to push failings onto a group it should be the founders & all those that took part in the betas & stress tests, as those all got to test the said features for much longer!!@ecljpse said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
@mrtimboy said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
@a-trusty-mango Trust me there WERE a lot of criticisms throughtout testing. The pioneers worked hard to report as many things as we could and give lots of feedback. All the content doubts were brought up before launch. Also if it had not been for the pioneers there would have likely been plenty of if not game breaking, very annoying bugs. A lot of minor features however were added to the game due to feedback.
Also there were plenty of debates. It wasn't like the selected group agreed on most things.
-My personal victories: No more re-spawning at mermaids after your ship went down. Oooo boy! Do I miss THAT debate! Hahaha!
My god i really got into it with a couple of people over that one l**o! One of the people hasnt spoken to me since then aha
@a-trusty-mango said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
I can only hope that they will choose some new pioneers too.
I do not think they were all that critical on Rare when they first had the opportunity. Bring the heat, and drag their game through the mud. Find the holes and see where it leaks.
High chance that they will be taking in new Pioneers since I'm guessing a lot of folks who were in the Pioneer Program are inactive.
@wturok said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
@a-trusty-mango I will just say pioneers were not playing the launch build and as everyone we were expecting more content inside the launch version package.
You probably played the betas, you saw the patch notes and you probably expected the launch version to be more than what the beta offered so you cannot judge others based on that.
It's always easy to attack when you were not involved in the process, content is usually never an issue when it comes to games, core mechanics like the spawn one are of vital importance to not create undesired experiences.
You thought ships spawning in the next island was bad? Try players spawning 10 feet away from ashore with full ammo and hp.Or better yet, ships spawning on top of one another (literally).
@a-trusty-mango said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
@sorenthaz Which says a lot to me about the quality of people who were part of it in the first place if they are now no longer active and playing the full released game. Says quite a lot. And they allowed these people to test and give feedback. Good lord. Look at the mess we are in.
Well, ideas and feedback were regularly thrown about. Folks gave their thoughts on things Rare was trying or implementing bare bone versions of, and that has helped shape stuff somewhat. Pioneers were also under NDA so we couldn't really raise more of a voice about stuff, and yeah it was obvious we didn't know what all was coming beyond what Rare stated in their videos and the things we got to test out.
It's not like Rare was going to completely transform the game or add anything substantially new though. Pioneer sessions started back in October 2017? Maybe September? Somewhere around there, and a lot of it was mostly for the purpose of stability and early feedback on how to better flesh out things they were implementing before they moved on to Alpha/Beta testing.
Like basically we'd have focused feedback and then general chit-chat about ideas/thoughts/etc. and it was mostly the focused feedback threads that were prioritized.
@a-trusty-mango would you like some salt and vinegar?
Maybe just a personal test server for you to make the game perfect in an instant?
Opening up a test server available to everyone would be no different to just pushing stuff to a live server and hoping for the best...other than costing more to run separate servers.
EDIT: Also, disparaging remarks (even if aimed at a group of people rather than individuals) doesn't make you right. Neither does making assumptions.
@a-trusty-mango said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
@LogansDadToo I don't know man. Maybe freaking ask them? I mean good lord. You had the developers ear and not only that but they talked back to you on what I assume was a regular occurrence.
This is not exactly how it worked, which is why I originally stated there needed to be changes in how they responded to feedback and communicate, in my opinion. To me, everything felt pretty one sided.
@a-trusty-mango Yup, that was one of the reasons I loved reading feedback from @Daimyo-DoriMa. The dude was not afraid to offer up tough questions and harsh feedback. He stands out the most in my mind.
@a-trusty-mango
As i said m8, we only got to see what they wanted us to see & they only told us what they wanted to tell us!
Why do you think they'd suddenly reveal everything to us? They have always kept things close to their chest & it wasn't any different in the Pioneer sessions.
They granted us access to test features before the alpha test sessions nothing more, nothing less. You seem to think we were privy to inside info & all upcoming features & content, but that definitely wasn't the case.You've only been here 3 months m8, so to be fair, you don't really know what went on during the alpha,pioneers, stress tests etc. So quite why you think you know all the answers & that all the previous testers failed would frankly be laughable if it wasn't so sad! We had exactly the same reaction from some founders who didn't get selected when the pioneer programme was announced. We had the same reaction from insiders who didn't get selected when the Tech Alpha was running. So it was inevitable that we would get the same reaction again.
@a-trusty-mango you just keeping attacking Pioneers and talking about things you have no idea what you're talking about....
You haven't been there... And that's why you're talking this way. This is only jealousy commentaries... said if you'd be chosen to be pioneer everything would be better. And that's why you don't want the Pioneers back, because you see you won't be included in it. So you attack... what you don't know.
We were just as testers as every single insider was.
There was no previlege about us, our voices were just as loud as everyone else's in the insiders.. so why are you attacking us exactly?! Because you don't know it.Pioneers only had access to things first.. somethings we tested weren't included on Insiders tests nor in the game, some others have been saved for later probably.
We tested what they asked us to test.. so they could take data about how it worked on test environment .
The test environment only had the basics and the features they wanted us to test. We only started to test on the launch environment near the BETA.
And that's when we realize maybe those things there were the things were be on the launch.. yet. There was not the order of souls but we had an Athena Fortune, which we didn't know what that was for certain, because we never experienced the legendary status, hiddout or whatever...
We were regular testers, only!Our part on the forum was the same as the Insiders. We could give feedback about features we tested, suggestions (and we gave a lot of them! Not only about mechanics, but content too!) And we shared bonds with this game and the community there.
Yes we also expected more, because we asked for more back then. And we've seen more. But we're not developers.. were players, and voluntaries as testers..
I Know we did make a great job with the means we could. I know what I'm talking about, because I'm part of it.
You.. well, you don't know nothing.. and yet keep pointing your finger us.
I'll give you that, ignorance sometimes is a blessing...@ve111a said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
@steelroots55 said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
@ve111a
I haven't singled you out.Calling someone a griefer for playing a game where they prefer pvp, that is focused on pvp, Is hilarous. Thanks for the all the laughs the community has had at your posts! It's always good to get some humor in here! Also, Try not to continue to derail threads @mommy don't really like people intentionally going to lengths to derail a polite thread :)
Waaaaaa! Mommy save me. Griefing is only cool when it's on my terms.
@a-trusty-mango I would say not many people railed against him. In all honesty, almost all feedback during this from people was rather constructive. The reason the spawn thing gets championed is because it is one of the few times it can be said feedback was listened to. Most of the time you have no idea what was changed as a direct result of this group vs what was already planned.
@a-trusty-mango
Of course we asked, but would be met with riddles & teases. Rare did not & would not go into any detail about anything until they wanted us to know about it.
Exactly the same as they are doing now!! Showing dev gameplay or dev update vids, Sea of Tease, occasionally one of the devs would come for a chat & hint at something.
Nothing has changed in the way Rare communicates with it's testers/players since the Alpha, so let me ask you Can you tell me if Rare has any extra content planned apart from what they have told or shown you? Can you tell us about any upcoming features, content, items, enemies, islands, events etc? Do you think Rare will tell you just because you ask over & over again? No, it was exactly the same then as it is now!You don't know how much future content Rare have planned now.
The pioneers didn't know how much content Rare had planned back then.
In both cases only Rare know & they won't tell, so how is that the pioneers or tech alpha participants fault?@a-trusty-mango Who says people didn't? It was not the majority, sure, but there were still people who did question and started questioning more towards the end of the TA. There was probably a certain point during the timeline where you could sense that there was a change in what people were thinking about the game. I also remember there being huge threads comparing this to No Mans Sky.
But yes, if people got up in arms about it like they did with the whole death tax, we would be having a different conversation. And if I remember correctly, @soulless-rager created a thread stating this same thing (but in a not so polite way) after launch.
@a-trusty-mango I'm not sure how I feel about your stance on this. Perhaps the pioneers could have done more on their part to ensure the game had more content. Perhaps you're right on this part.
However, on the other hand, I feel that you are being a little harsh on players who are just like us, who voluntarily gave up their time to bug test the game.
They are volunteers and I'm not to sure how much influence they actually had over these things because I wasn't there. My understanding is that they were there to test out aspects of the game that the developers allowed them to. They had a very specific job to do. I am not so sure that they knew what was coming and I don't think there was as much transparency and easy communication with the developers as you may believe.
Furthermore, since you can place blame on the pioneers who, as I mentioned, volunteered to improve the game for the rest of us, couldn't you then argue that since the rest of us weren't around during that time to have our voices heard we are also to blame. As soon as enough of the community complained about the lack of content something was done about it by RARE.
@a-trusty-mango said in How can someone be a pioneer ?:
@evasive-envy I already said be harder and colder or go home. If you get offended by harshness, welcome to life.
I would love to continue this conversation with you without you talking to me like I'm a child and don't appreciate being asked to leave from a public forum because my opinion is different to yours.
I would appreciate it if you toned it down a little. I'm not offended in anyway and I was referring to your judgement of pioneers and not my feelings.
I didn't read the rest of your post because even though I was hoping you could correct me or share your experiences when I wasn't around, your initial tone has turned me off this conversation.
Cheers and happy sailing!
@a-trusty-mango
Why would we be harder & colder with a test version of the games features when we didn't know how complete it was?
As far as we were aware, we were testing the core mechanics, services & the features that required testing. We were there to help find bugs & glitches & exploits (where do you think things like the power sword lunge came from?).It was an early stage of development & content wasn't our concern.
As it got closer to release, then yes obviously concerns were raised, but like i said we didn't know what else Rare had planned so we hoped we would see more.
You going into one & blaming all the people who took part in the test phases is just ridiculous m8, you are unhappy with Rare because of the lack of content & you feel left out of the upcoming pioneers. Neither are the pioneers fault!@a-trusty-mango Thanks for your reply. I did end up reading the rest of your post and it was definitely enlightening. I wish I was around when all this was happening just so I could see peoples reactions for myself.
I will try to be less touchy but having read so many people being asked to leave or 'go home' has taken its toll on my own patience.
I'll have a look at the forum history too if I have the time. It will make for some interesting reading.
@a-trusty-mango
You can only test the content shown, get a grip man!
I don't need to make it look like you're jealous m8, you are. If anyone goes through your post history, they can see how much negativity you've brought to the forum, how you've shut people down repeatedly (like you've accused pioneers of doing) & they can see how you turned on the pioneer programme 2 months ago because of a few disagreements you had then. It's all there in black & white m8.
I have nothing further to discuss with you, good luck in your crusade!I have yet to read through the beginning of the thread, I'll have to get to that later. But I've read the comments so far on page 3, and from what I can tell neither side is wrong if I'm understanding the subject correctly.
During the technical alpha stages, we still weren't clear on what the game would end up being. You had to really pay attention to every piece of media with information in it to get an idea of what the scope of the game would be at launch, and where it would be lacking.
Myself and a very few others made educated guesses on these issues we saw coming, but they were in fact not taken seriously by the majority of the testers. Some topics that brought up concerns might get a good amount of replies and upvotes, but ultimately there is always fanboys that shutdown progressive discussion about issues with naive reassurances with a certainty they couldn't have.
This could have been avoided, but I don't blame the testers necessarily. To believe the reality of the situation at the time, you had to invest as much attention in the game as people like me who followed every public detail available. That's unrealistic to expect of most people, even alpha testers who you'd hope are more dedicated than the average fan.
The fault is on Rare. They failed to address the lacking gameplay loop and depth of content they planned to have at launch. They failed to capitalize on their community and it's feedback as a resource. The ones who have answering to do are those who had complete access to the vision of what the game was meant to be at launch, and pretended it was acceptable.
@a-trusty-mango Seriously? Can you just stop dude? Every single post of yours spirals off on some absurd tangent. Every. Single. Time.
Pioneer is pioneer - it is what it is - it doesn’t have to change, or cater to you, or fall within your vision.
It was created by and for Rare, to test with a small group of DEDICATED players who are ready to fulfil that need again, should it become necessary.
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