Boarding Ruins Battles

Yeah being pirate is all about spawnkilling and preventing repairs. Good times

@mighty-ace123 said in Boarding Ruins Battles:

Yeah being pirate is all about spawnkilling and preventing repairs. Good times

Apparently being a pirate is all about whining when someone else has the upper hand.
Guarantee you do the same when you have the opportunity, too.

@evilpsyko said in Boarding Ruins Battles:

I do like the idea of retractable ladders.

Retractable ladders should be a thing. The ladders were retractable in real life as well so it is not even an odd concept.

dont worry. when 4 man sloops happen, the game will die even more. not trying to be negative but there are a LOT of people that enjoys 2 man sloop games. when 4 man sloop happens, it will become impossible for 2 man sloops when there is only one cannon and then you have one person steering and then 2 more swimming up to your boat.

It's not that hard to avoid being boarded. Keep moving and don't let them ram you. Don't follow directly behind the other ship so they can swim over.

@filthee-mudblud you play the game the way you can, sure. But the naval combat should be about cannonfire and tactics. Boarding cheapens the experience, don't you agree?

The problem isn't so much that people being able to board ruins the potential for ship-to-ship combat, the problem is that holes are too easy to repair and water too easy to bilge over and over again meaning that unless you board to prevent the enemy from repairing it can be next to impossible to actually sink them even if you are landing lots of cannon hits unless they happen to run out of planks before you run out of cannonballs, sadly this means that boarding is often a mandatory strategy because trying to sink an enemy ship without boarding them is way less viable as things are currently.

Personally I think boarding should always be an option, it just shouldn't always be the most viable option, I do agree that currently it is too easy to do, but honestly I think the focus should be more about making other strategies more viable, not making boarding less viable.

@ch4o5bl4d3 I couldn't agree more.

@stcyrilius Sorry to be the one to tell you that the ladders or cannons aren't the the most common way to board an enemy ship. Well not in my encounters.
The most popular method is by standing on the bow sprit (angled mast at the pointy end of the ship) as your ship rams into your opponent. Then you simply step off, onto their ship.

I am not one for PvP but just telling you how it is for myself in most cases. There is no fix for this.

@mighty-ace123
Not exactly if it's the META
Use the tools you have at hand to the best of your advantage.
Otherwise, you've got essentially three hours of attrition. Perhaps, as @Ch4o5bl4d3 said, different strats should be available. Such as tactical use of barrels. That's another strat. What? Are we gonna say Barrels ruin combat too? It's a method of gaining the upper hand. If the combat should be about tactics, then use the tactics that work. Boarding to prevent repairs is, in fact, a tactic. Use it, learn to prevent it. For every strat, there is a counter strat. We assign someone the duty of "ship security" fairly often when combat isn't an automatic "we have you dead to rights, you're now sinking" situation.

@filthee-mudblud said in Boarding Ruins Battles:

@mighty-ace123
Not exactly if it's the META
Use the tools you have at hand to the best of your advantage.
Otherwise, you've got essentially three hours of attrition. Perhaps, as @Ch4o5bl4d3 said, different strats should be available. Such as tactical use of barrels. That's another strat. What? Are we gonna say Barrels ruin combat too? It's a method of gaining the upper hand. If the combat should be about tactics, then use the tactics that work. Boarding to prevent repairs is, in fact, a tactic. Use it, learn to prevent it. For every strat, there is a counter strat. We assign someone the duty of "ship security" fairly often when combat isn't an automatic "we have you dead to rights, you're now sinking" situation.

Everybody does it because it's most effective. Not necessarily most fun. Imo swimming/leaving boats should be way more dangerous and less encouraged

@admiral-tweedle Serious question does this make the list?

@admiral-tweedle That's quite valid. It does seem sensible to be able to raise ladders, and it would pave the way for boarding axes (oh sweet mercy, please) which would make boarding easier to detect because it would be super loud and obvious, therefore more perilous, solving the complaint from @Mighty-Ace123 but also making detecting slightly more complex, as you may have sound, but there's more than just two points of entry.

@admiral-tweedle Honestly....I'd accept that on the sheer aesthetic value alone.

Boarding has no risk in the moment.

When it fails, you go to the mermaid and spawn on your boat.

the idea is:
you go to your mermaid and you spawn on the Ferry of the damned.

That made it riskier.

@admiral-rrrsole said in Boarding Ruins Battles:

@stcyrilius Sorry to be the one to tell you that the ladders or cannons aren't the the most common way to board an enemy ship. Well not in my encounters.
The most popular method is by standing on the bow sprit (angled mast at the pointy end of the ship) as your ship rams into your opponent. Then you simply step off, onto their ship.

I am not one for PvP but just telling you how it is for myself in most cases. There is no fix for this.

The fix for this is moving out of the way. Their ship is no faster than yours, just move.

Why do you look for the easy way? how about you learn how to play a little bit better so this stuff won't happen to you?
first don't drop your anchor, put our sails up if you fighting you can avoid ramming and boarding,
in ship fights, usually the first cannon ball or while they spamming cannon balls someone shoot himself to you so watch out, if you play as a crew tell one of your friends to be on ladders duty cause there is some sneaky players like me that would carry a red barrel for 5 mints of swimming just to b******u up, how you counter that ? ill tell you a little secret (you can't shoot while you on the ladder) so it's basically free kills, now listen that's a big one, if someone blew a red barrel under you, I'm guessing you all running for repairs, well 100% 1 or 2 pirates gonna board you in a few secs . trust me when you fight good crew boarding the ship aint that easy

If you shoot yourself onto a ship you should be slowed down for a few seconds as when you drop from a great height.

@only-alexraptor said in Boarding Ruins Battles:

@mighty-ace123 said in Boarding Ruins Battles:

@filthee-mudblud you play the game the way you can, sure. But the naval combat should be about cannonfire and tactics. Boarding cheapens the experience, don't you agree?

As a student of naval history I disagree entirely with that notion. Granted people did not shoot themselves out of cannons to board ships, but boarding was a key component in most "decisive" naval engagements in the age of sail. Outright sinking of large ships was extremely rare and you basically had the choice of either blasting away, killing crew, until the enemy surrendered or to board the ship to end the battle quickly. Hence the prevalence of grapeshot and swivel guns.

Do they mention spawnkilling? Suicidal boarders that respawn endlessly? Gotta admit I was hoping for more from SoT...

@stcyrilius what?

I love the idea of retractable ladders and I agree that this game isn't very well optimized for boarding. Boarding should be a sequence that you can use hooks to initiate and ladders should be up all the time unless the boat is stopped or going extremely slow. I enjoy shooting myself out of cannons and I'm excited to shoot my pet out of a cannon too so I have to disagree on that. Somebody should be watching for people boarding though because that's the inevitability of this game. There should at least be a huge risk for swimming in the deep ocean other than sharks so it can prevent so much swimming out to other ships like that. Hopefully one of the AI threats will fix this.

@barnabas-seadog said in Boarding Ruins Battles:

@mighty-ace123 said in Boarding Ruins Battles:

@filthee-mudblud you play the game the way you can, sure. But the naval combat should be about cannonfire and tactics. Boarding cheapens the experience, don't you agree?

Nope, disagree.
Boarding is an essential skill in SoT. Many players, spoiling for a fight, love to get on an enemy ship and just wreak havoc. This is the real danger from three and four man sloops, extra hands for boarding parties.
The boarding of the enemy ship is usually necessary to remove the threat completely.
Cannonfire and tactics are only part of the equation.

The point is, boarding is all anyone does. If you remove the cannons, nothing really changes at this point in pvp.