Stick to the Script on Safer Seas.

  • In the newsletter just sent this is what was said about Safer Seas: "If you hadn't heard, and especially if you've ever been inclined to steer clear of the seas after repeated run-ins, December has delivered a gift in the form of Safer Seas. Want to sail solo or with your crew in an otherwise private world? Now you can!"

    Now if I'm to believe what people on forums are berating Safer Seas players with, then this newsletter should mention that this is a mode exclusively for "little kids" and "only meant to be used as a tutorial". Otherwise, maybe the narrative should be more careful to not arm people with covertly abusive language meant to disparage these types of players. That's completely counterproductive to the alleged goals of bringing in more players.

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  • @crowedhunter Yet STILL not to be a replacement for the main game - that is an irrefutable fact. Nothing further needs to be said on the subject.

  • @crowedhunter said in Stick to the Script on Safer Seas.:

    In the newsletter just sent this is what was said about Safer Seas: "If you hadn't heard, and especially if you've ever been inclined to steer clear of the seas after repeated run-ins, December has delivered a gift in the form of Safer Seas. Want to sail solo or with your crew in an otherwise private world? Now you can!"

    Now if I'm to believe what people on forums are berating Safer Seas players with, then this newsletter should mention that this is a mode exclusively for "little kids" and "only meant to be used as a tutorial". Otherwise, maybe the narrative should be more careful to not arm people with covertly abusive language meant to disparage these types of players. That's completely counterproductive to the alleged goals of bringing in more players.

    Not only for that, but sure one of the main one it's advertised for.

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    Rare's message can't get quite clearer on the purpose and reasons of the current Safer Seas design.

    And yeah, they could have added all this in the newsletter you are right, to make sure people understand well the goal and don't go on believing they are being "punished" for not getting something never promised.

  • @bloodybil "Rare can't get clearer"
    "Yeah, Rare could have been clearer."

  • @crowedhunter said in Stick to the Script on Safer Seas.:

    @bloodybil "Rare can't get clearer"
    "Yeah, Rare could have been clearer."

    Can't get clearer in the post above, could have been clearer in the newsletter.
    Happy?

  • @bloodybil ... yes, because that was the point of my post... idk why you even mentioned the other bit aside from a reflex to attack every time you see Safer Seas mentioned.

  • No matter what people talk about there will always be some that word things harsher than necessary.

    The policy is that it's a mode where people can do whatever they want within the risk/reward design of the mode.

    It's a sandbox, people get to play in the sandbox, they aren't less for playing in a different sandbox.

    The beef isn't with players that will use safer seas to better their experience, it's with the approach of people trying to use that to get something that is not the intent so that they can get 1:1 rewards without the risk.

    Most people are completely cool with people using safer seas as it is currently designed. It's understandable, most of us with a lot of experience "get it".

    Safer seas is for everyone that wants to use it, as it is designed, for whatever they want to use it for, within ToS and within the design.

  • @crowedhunter said in Stick to the Script on Safer Seas.:

    @bloodybil ... yes, because that was the point of my post... idk why you even mentioned the other bit aside from a reflex to attack every time you see Safer Seas mentioned.

    Oh wait, more infos are being linked when clicking said newsletter

    Of course, without other player crews to interact with, there are some aspects of what’s now called High Seas mode that don’t carry over to Safer Seas. For instance, features focused on player-vs.-player clashes such as dealing with The Reaper’s Bones and diving into Hourglass of Fate Faction battles clearly don’t fit the intent behind Safer Seas. Also, as a means of balancing out the reduction in danger, the rate at which gold and reputation are earned drops to 30% on Safer Seas.

  • @bloodybil Yes, which still says nothing about a tutorial mode or little kids.

    Shut down the attack protocol, dude. lol

  • @crowedhunter said in Stick to the Script on Safer Seas.:

    @bloodybil Yes, which still says nothing about a tutorial mode or little kids.

    Shut down the attack protocol, dude. lol

    Lol what is even the point of that bad faith post to begin with, besides being snide and attacking the new mode?

  • @crowedhunter said in Stick to the Script on Safer Seas.:

    In the newsletter just sent this is what was said about Safer Seas: "If you hadn't heard, and especially if you've ever been inclined to steer clear of the seas after repeated run-ins, December has delivered a gift in the form of Safer Seas. Want to sail solo or with your crew in an otherwise private world? Now you can!"

    Now if I'm to believe what people on forums are berating Safer Seas players with, then this newsletter should mention that this is a mode exclusively for "little kids" and "only meant to be used as a tutorial". Otherwise, maybe the narrative should be more careful to not arm people with covertly abusive language meant to disparage these types of players. That's completely counterproductive to the alleged goals of bringing in more players.

    When Safer Seas was announced, Mike Chapman clearly stated that it was not just a 'tutorial', but that it was also for experienced players who just want a session without PvP to worry about.

    The narrative that Safer Seas is only meant as an (extended) tutorial is the false one and only put forward by people who are against Safer Seas and want to shame people out of it. Rare however has been clear that it's not just a tutorial from the start.

    I have already literaly put Chapman's quote here in the forums multiple times, but some people are just not willing to listen, because they just can't seem to handle information that doesn't fit their narrative....

    edit: i will put the quote in another time for the ones who still need it:
    On september 21st in the Season Ten Preview video, when Safer Seas was mentioned first, Mike Chapman said: "and alongside allowing never players to get to grips with the game, it also allows experienced players to truly immerse themselves in the world and take it at their own pace, experiment and see everything the world's got to offer on their own terms. So, we see Safer Seas as very much a complementary way of enjoying Sea of Thieves, a new way to enjoy the game with your friends or to immerse yourself in the world."

  • @bloodybil You have no room to talk about bad faith. I'm being snide because you're being hostile. You knee-jerk tried to shut me down without even reading, then expressed cognitive dissonance in an edit, satisfied you'd closed the case. Then you tried being like "O wow lookit what we got here that you just so happened to omit!" even though it didn't have anything to do with what I was saying.

    Just take a breath, man. It'll be okay.

  • @crowedhunter said in Stick to the Script on Safer Seas.:

    @bloodybil You have no room to talk about bad faith. I'm being snide because you're being snide. You knee-jerk tried to shut me down without even reading, then expressed cognitive dissonance in an edit, satisfied you'd closed the case. Then you tried being like "O wow lookit what we got here that you just so happened to omit!" even though it didn't have anything to do with what I was saying.

    Just take a breath, man. It'll be okay.

    Those "safer sea bad, safer sea not enough" posts are indeed becoming all the same, I should indeed have read more!

  • @bloodybil Have you ever considered just not responding to them? I think they've started to take their toll on you. It's not worth it, man.

  • @crowedhunter said in Stick to the Script on Safer Seas.:

    @bloodybil Have you ever considered just not responding to them? I think they've started to take their toll on you. It's not worth it, man.

    Of course not, I'm there to voice my opinion just as everybody else right?

  • @bloodybil That's admirable, but there are certain elements of the forum that I've found that I, personally, struggle to tolerate - even though I want to. I've found that refusing to engage has improved my attitude toward the forum in general.

  • @crowedhunter said in Stick to the Script on Safer Seas.:

    @bloodybil That's admirable, but there are certain elements of the forum that I've found that I, personally, struggle to tolerate - even though I want to. I've found that refusing to engage has done wonders for my attitude toward the forum.

    Your concern is appreciated, some elements can be indeed harder to tolerate, but I feel that sometimes speaking one's mind about them help going through them.

  • @bloodybil I find that that gets me banned lol.

  • @crowedhunter said in Stick to the Script on Safer Seas.:

    @bloodybil I find that that gets me banned lol.

    It's all about the way it is brought up and the tone used haha.
    (And abiding by the forum rules of course)

  • @bloodybil See that's a skill I lack. It's hard enough for me to phrase my thoughts. Then I have to positively position them, then I get told that I'm being coy or snide. Can't win for losing.

  • @crowedhunter said in Stick to the Script on Safer Seas.:

    @bloodybil See that's a skill I lack. It's hard enough for me to phrase my thoughts. Then I have to positively position them, then I get told that I'm being coy or snide. Can't win for losing.

    I can understand, english is not my main language so I need to double check if my wording makes sense too. (And that I understood correctly what people wrote)

  • I don't think you saw the podcast where Safer Seas was announced.

    Mr. Chapman discussed the purposes of these servers and was quite transparent about their use and functionality. A way for new people or returning players to practice and a place to enjoy a quiet family experience

  • Just look for any mod note dropping anchor in these endless posts about Safer Seas. There be your answer.

  • that this is a mode exclusively for "little kids" and "only meant to be used as a tutorial"

    Change little kids to Family.

  • @tesiccl I see that many of those posts are no longer locked. I also see you didn't read my post and just assumed I was making requests for additions to Safer Seas.

    No questions asked.

  • @crowedhunter it was a general comment to those in the replies, otherwise I’d have @‘ed you.

  • @tesiccl Everyone in the replies is already saying what you stopped by to echo so I guess you didn't read those either. Not to mention what you stopped by to say was condescending.

  • @burnbacon Change families to "everyone".

  • @crowedhunter do I win a prize if you keep guessing? ;)

    No condescension intended or present in my reply.

  • @tesiccl I'd bet many will.

  • @crowedhunter said in Stick to the Script on Safer Seas.:

    @burnbacon Change families to "everyone".

    It's really just marketing to the "wholesome family friendly" appeal.

    A bit of an image clean up because of how serious things can be taken in high seas and on stuff like twitch.

    Since there aren't any encounters in safer seas it really opens the game up to market an experience specifically that won't be subjected to the complete randomness of online encounters.

  • @crowedhunter 😊👍

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