Why no Cheating option when trying to report a player in game?

P.S. Maybe IP banning should be on rares radar

@thor-von-blitz Crazy that games made two decades ago have better anti-cheat and report systems than SoT. Guess that is why I see so many of them in HG since they are never banned

So IP banning is useless. I call my provider say I'm being harassed, and boom new IP address.

Or. Someone doesn't like you masks their ip as yours and boom. You're banned.

@pithyrumble a lot of ISPs in my area don’t use static IPs either. So every day or every few days your IP changes. They offer a static for $$ though, of course.

@abjectarity I'd have thought ot would be the other way around. Security and TinFoil hats and all.

The majority of online games i have played had this as an option, so it really strikes me odd that SoT doesn't. I see a lot of comments saying that it would be abusable but i think this simply would not be the case. Reporting someone doesn't mean they get banned, and having to always record your session in order to be able to provide evidence is a really outdated and not effective method against cheating. What's next? Should we develop our own anticheat as well? I am getting pretty tired of people claiming that every change to the game will be "abusable". And while i do agree that many cheating accusations are not accurate there are a lot that are. Cheating doesn't always mean the most obvious aimbot. There are many not so apparent cheats like swim speed hacks, bucket hacks, one ball cannon hacks,etc.

@gosva5434 you can still report cheaters, there’s just not an in game report system for it yet. Gotta use the website. They only just added reporting for inappropriate names last week. I figure the rest will come, but it’s new for them. So they are starting small.

@scheneighnay I play on VPN all the time and don’t have that high ping. My native ping is 60 and on VPN to my closest local servers is 80. I play on both PC and Xbox, I use my VPN on my PC but not Xbox.

@abjectarity
I know. My point is that the game has been out for 5 years and an in game report system should be a given in any online game. Rare is not a small company so starting small especially when there are so many cheaters in their game really doesn't cut it. If anything the fact that players must provide evidence of cheating goes to show how weak the in-game anticheat is.

@gosva5434 they are indeed late to the game compared to other largish titles. But it’s a good thing to remember this is their first game like this, even though they are a big company they did mostly offline games. And cheating didn’t really become an issues until after it was added to steam. And then only became so insanely noticeable in the past 6-12 months. And while 6-12 months sounds like a long time, in the development world it isn’t that long. Especially if you’re trying to stay current with everything else in your plans on top of developing something you didn’t originally maybe plan for.

@abjectarity
I am sorry but i can't cut Rare any slack. The game hasn't gotten any new content in almost a year (excluding HG which is a mess). Not only that server issues (hit reg, lag, etc.) are still unfixed, there is not a good anticheat, and even a decent report system seems to be quite far away. I would understand this if SoT was evolving in some way (like a major visual update or a big content update). Since this is not the case i am very frustrated and disappointed to say the least about the state of the game and the rate that things are being added.

I hear people scream CHEATERRRR all the time, if they had an option to report a potential cheater it would be abused.

The best way is to clip the cheater and their username and submit it to support for review.

They could add this, but it would require a little more work.

As others have said, evidence needs to be provided to prove someone is cheating.

To fix this, they could add a small recording feature built into the game. When you select the option to report a player, it automatically generates a clip of the last three minutes of gameplay which can then be sent in game.

Then you can specify what cheats they were using. Problem solved.

This could also work for toxicity reports.

@foambreaker said in Why no Cheating option when trying to report a player in game?:

@rentalmussel65 said in Why no Cheating option when trying to report a player in game?:

P.S. Maybe IP banning should be on rares radar

DHCP, VPN, etc, IP is not a reliable method.

Product disruption and company/product imagine damage lawsuits would be better. A game's creditability and often shortly after its profitability is harmed by cheating being done or witnessed. This is more damaging to a game with a competitive design as no one wants to lose a game to someone who is not playing by the games rules as in essence both parties are no longer playing the same game at this point.

Bottomline: Litigation is the only way to effectively remove the blight that cheating is in competitive games.

@scheneighnay

I think they're referring to the alternate MAC address, which can be changed on Xbox One consoles.

@rentalmussel65 said in Why no Cheating option when trying to report a player in game?:

Just came across some cheaters on a sloop, both of them on smurf accounts. When I go to report them there's no option for cheating or anything along the lines of it. Only inappropriate names? Really Rare? Gotta do something about the amount of cheaters on HG.

Considering everyday players mistake honest to goodness competent and skilled players as cheaters just because they didn't beat them in combat with their 200 hours in game vs someone's 5000 hours in game, I'd rather it not be that detailed until any known exploits are eliminated and a possibly stronger anti-cheat is used to help reduce chances in that mistake from happening.

They understand how easily it can be abused by any player on a bad day just waiting to get a hole blown into their ship. This feels like a test run of a system in the making.

The easier it becomes to report people, the more often false reports become. Look at games with a report button on the death screen, you will find people there who will report EVERYONE who kills them, and im not exaggerating about that, some people just default to the button. In those cases the report system becomes totally abandoned because the incoming feed of reports is just overwhelmed with spammed reports that cant be sifted through. I do understand that this is a bit different since the report is in the pause menu, but thats not very much harder.

The system at hand requires that you actually have proof of the person cheating, not just some quick button press that doesnt provide proof. While it could be argued that the game could have some back capture for when you do report, this game is already struggling to run correctly without having some shadowplay/back capture running on 15 different players in a server at all times.