The most confusing question.

@wolfmanbush said in The most confusing question.:

Just because partners/streamers say something doesn't mean it's condoned or within the rules

they are literally like anyone else and on top of that they record themselves for hours and hours a day

there are going to be possible incidents where they are not within the rules of something they agreed to

Streaming is generally a social bubble so maybe nobody reported something.

I see partners saying we are allowed to.

This is just confusing.

Can you talk about the previous insider builds of a feature after it is released in retail?

Read the Agreement, It says Don't talk about anything you seen in the Build.
You can say "yeah I help tested that" but that is a stretch.

I see a lot of partnered and not partnered content creators saying we are allowed to or talking about earlier insider versions of updates.

I recall someone tried this before. Mod came in and deleted/removed content saying you can not do this.
I dont believe "content creators" unless the Dev say so themselves.

One talks about how much lost shipments changed in insiders, one talks about how Shores Of Gold changed in insiders, one talks about the emisarry feature ETC.

Talking about, or explaining what was changed or removed? Difference here.

• Yeah Lost Shipment had this one thing but it didnt turn out good idea.

Sounds fine
as long they dont reveal what that thing is.

Do people just dont read NDA?

Nope. Seeing how easy it is to Join Insiders & click "Agree.

Do partners have a special NDA? If so, what about the non partnered ones?

Seems about right. But doubtful.

@wolfmanbush said in The most confusing question.:

@thorumsu said in The most confusing question.:

@wolfmanbush said in The most confusing question.:

Just because partners/streamers say something doesn't mean it's condoned or within the rules

they are literally like anyone else and on top of that they record themselves for hours and hours a day

there are going to be possible incidents where they are not within the rules of something they agreed to

Streaming is generally a social bubble so maybe nobody reported something.

I see partners saying we are allowed to.

This is just confusing.

as far as I know everything that happens in there is part of the nda and stays that way

wouldn't make much sense to not have it be that way while requiring an nda

And this is why it is confusing.

Without having any supporting data or a real opinion (I kinda don’t care), I’d suspect that, in keeping with the general Way of the World, partners get a looser rein because they are providing a moneymaking service (Marketing) compared to the rest of us who are just consuming a service that we paid for once (and in some cases at a discount, I got SoT for $20 and have spent a total of $5 in the Emporium so far). And yeah, started the NDA, fell asleep on paragraph 2, and figured it was a pretty standard document of that sort and wouldn’t be too hard to adhere to.

TL;DR: partners probably get special treatment, NDA mostly unread, not a big deal

@wolfmanbush I 100% agree with you and think everyone should be held to the same standard; unfortunately I also don’t think reality always matches ideals, and the potential public image damage from a popular streamer negging on SoT for getting punished for something like a comment along the lines of “well, that’was different in Insider” wouldn’t be worth it.

If someone sees what they feel is a reportable offense by anyone, they ought to report it if that’s in their nature; however, there are always two (or three!) sides to every story, so don’t expect punishment for every action you deem punishable. Report and move on, life’s too short to worry about justice on the Internet.

I have an observation and a question.

Technically talking about anything in the game could be classified as talking about insiders as every single thing that came out post launch ,would have been a part of it. So I don't think you can get in trouble talking about an update, would not make sense. Unless you would be talking about a planned feature, which never saw daylight, but still might in the future, then I believe you would be breaking the NDA.

The question: if someone from insiders breaks this clause and shares this information on social media, which leads Rare to having financial loss. Could that lead to a lawsuit? (Good example - GTA VI leak by some teenager in London)

I've asked this before, wanted to discuss how my insiders interaction with the content was so diff from released version as so many bugs on early testing I didn't feel like I'd experienced it but I've always been told not to discuss anything.
When it doubt, say nowt 😅

@zig-zag-ltu said in The most confusing question.:

I have an observation and a question.

Technically talking about anything in the game could be classified as talking about insiders as every single thing that came out post launch ,would have been a part of it.

That's a stretch. You can talk about current features/items &c in the game, you can't talk about how these features or items &c are working or worked in the Insiders build - even if their behaviour is completely the same. As soon as your comment about such things includes "in Insiders" (or its equivalent), you are breaking the NDA.

So I don't think you can get in trouble talking about an update, would not make sense. Unless you would be talking about a planned feature, which never saw daylight, but still might in the future, then I believe you would be breaking the NDA.

Sure you can get in trouble for that - see above.

The question: if someone from insiders breaks this clause and shares this information on social media, which leads Rare to having financial loss. Could that lead to a lawsuit? (Good example - GTA VI leak by some teenager in London)

I guess it might, though I don't expect Rare to divulge information about what they do or won't do in specific situations. Just keep yourself to the NDA. If you can't or don't want to, you shouldn't be in Insiders.

@lizalaroo said in The most confusing question.:

Ahoy me mateys!
What's heard/seen/played on Insider's stays on Insider's. :)
No one gets any special treatment and all Pirates playing are governed under the NDA set out by Rare.
People can and do get removed from the Insider Programme for breaking NDA.
You agree to...
never disclose the Game to anyone else, including other Programme insiders, (unless a court or government orders you to) and to keep everything in the Programme secret as you would your own confidential information.

Well this doesnt really answer my question. I know what NDA is.

My confusion is that I see literal PARTNERED streamers talk about early insider versions of the updates and saying you are allowed to.

Well, its not like partners will get banned but you get what I mean.

That's why I am confused.

@thorumsu Well report it when you see it, if that person is still a partner and insider a month later. Make it public(forum,social media,reddit,community groups) and call out the hypocrisy. I trust Rare take it serious, as a streamer with thousands of viewers reaches a wider audience than same 20 people who visit these forums.