Hey guys, apologies if this is explained somewhere.
Just wanted to ask if completing parts 1 and 2 and then canceling the voyage is what it is considered exploit or is it something entirely else? (Don't even want to know)
Was thinking of doing it as it allows you to progress your emissary status way quicker.
I don't have any official knowledge on this, but here's my take:
I would not consider that an exploit. You are completing those parts of the voyage and getting the rewards. I don't see that as any different than only doing some Bounty Islands for an OoS bounty quest. There are downsides to that method (no commendations for turning in Chest of Legends, completing Veil Voyages, defeating ghost garrisons, etc), so you lose out on some rewards.
If you're wondering what the veil exploit people had been discussing bans for here and on Twitter/Reddit, in very vague terms it consisted of doing something so that loot would basically just appear, not needing to really complete any part of the voyage. That's why it was an exploit, to my knowledge.
Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong or warn me if I stated too much (I feel I'm safe as I didn't discuss any methods to do the exploit or any specifics).
Oh, I see what you mean, kind of explains all those recent videos popping up with loot floating.
I'm now 99% sure that doing only certain parts of the voyage is a personal choice and not exploiting in any way shape or form. Hopefully someone could officially confirm this. But thank you very much for your insight mate!
@zig-zag-ltu Ahoy matey!
The team have tools to work out who is using the exploit and not those that are genuinely skipping the final part of the quest.
Do not worry if you haven't been purposefully using the exploit you will 100% be fine.
Thank you very much for clarifying matey! I did not even have a chance to do anything, just completed one full quest, but someone on reddit mentioned about doing only the first two parts, which sounded really exciting to make the 'Road to 30' easier :D (Also I would not recommend skipping the 3d part if you are not playing alone as it is super fun)
Once you cancel just don't go where the part you canceled was and pick up loot lol.
3rd stage isn't an issue from what I understand. (Doesn't generate loot unless actually completed by the player with the voyage)
Story time! Someone was camping my 3rd stage and I canceled. Then they went to the sea fort and I sank them for being in my way.
@musicmee while i would want to see this bug patched asap i honestly wouldnt like to see people getting banned over using it, i mean do you know how much loot they have on board to plunder…. By golly if i see those vids
And athena rep wise this is just as bad as the original emmisary loop was when they just released emissaries and you could just do the athena 5 voyage over and over and over again come to think of it that might have even been worse
@callmebackdraft said in Question regarding the Veil exploit. (Don't want to get banned):
@musicmee while i would want to see this bug patched asap i honestly wouldnt like to see people getting banned over using it, i mean do you know how much loot they have on board to plunder…. By golly if i see those vids
And athena rep wise this is just as bad as the original emmisary loop was when they just released emissaries and you could just do the athena 5 voyage over and over and over again come to think of it that might have even been worse
Well I would dare to disagree. Let's say I do a regular athenas quest, and I have an island next to an outpost with 4 X. But the rest would be annoying, like digging up chests in Thieves Haven for example. I am sure there is no problem for me to do that 1 island and start a new quest?
This is quite the same I would say. The only reason I would cancel as it becomes a world event instead of a private voyage and I am not not good enough to defend vs a fully stacked galleon on my own, nor I would be interested fighting broke pvp lords with no loot on board, just waste of time and resources. I love high stake battles
There is a certain section that when canceled a certain way, all the loot generates. I won't say which section tho lol. I'm also not sure exactly how it works 🤷🏽♀️
That is the exploit. It was more of a curiosity at first but someone scienced it. It's not that you're canceling something you don't want to do, it's that the game is rewarding it. If you're not sure you're doing it you're probably not doing it enough to catch the banhammer.
@Musicmee i would vote for a different punishment than a banhammer too if that could be passed along.
@zig-zag-ltu said in Question regarding the Veil exploit. (Don't want to get banned):
@callmebackdraft said in Question regarding the Veil exploit. (Don't want to get banned):
@musicmee while i would want to see this bug patched asap i honestly wouldnt like to see people getting banned over using it, i mean do you know how much loot they have on board to plunder…. By golly if i see those vids
And athena rep wise this is just as bad as the original emmisary loop was when they just released emissaries and you could just do the athena 5 voyage over and over and over again come to think of it that might have even been worse
Well I would dare to disagree. Let's say I do a regular athenas quest, and I have an island next to an outpost with 4 X. But the rest would be annoying, like digging up chests in Thieves Haven for example. I am sure there is no problem for me to do that 1 island and start a new quest?
no there isnt anything wrong with doing part of a quest and then cancelling it for whatever reason, i mean if that was an issue then ALOT of us OG's would have to be banned for only going to 4 captain islands, or only gh voyages with more then one x and no riddle, not te even start about only going for high tier animals in mechant voyages or server hop for forts (the only world event there was back then) because that was the only way to make any form of decent money
or does anybody even remember the original Merchant trick where you could capture a ton of animals, drop them off at dagger tooth and then sail to galleons grave and start merchant voyages over and over again since they only had you deliver to the next closest outpost (which in this case was dagger tooth)
none of those things ever resulted in bans
This is quite the same I would say. The only reason I would cancel as it becomes a world event instead of a private voyage and I am not not good enough to defend vs a fully stacked galleon on my own, nor I would be interested fighting broke pvp lords with no loot on board, just waste of time and resources. I love high stake battles
i fully agree with people not wanting to the the final part of LOTV because of the tornado, however what some people are currently doing is making use of an oversight by the devs allowing them to get a ton of loot (basicly the same as the og merchant oversight explained above).
then there was the emmisary 5 loop for athena, that also only got fixed for athena since i still can emmisary 5 loop OoS and GH meaning that once you got to athena 5 once, you could get the quest vote down, do the quest and get 5 again from just that quest, vote down rinse repeat. we got someone from athena 0 to athena 12 or something in a really short time span (one session maybe 2-3 hours) with that
if Rare decides to smack down the banhammer for the creative use of these game mechanics imho it is once again trying make sure that the all powerfull athena needs extra protection harder then any other company, with which they fully neglect the fact that any sort of athena update has taken years, and then even more years (thieves haven runs and then lotv) somehow Rare still seems to be of the believe that Athena's fortune is something to be reveired, it is not, hasnt been for many years. becoming a pirate legend is laughable nowadays especially in comparison to year 1.
and while LoTV is much more financially rewarding then any other athena voyage ever, it is still laughable in comparison to the same amount of time spent on any other event/voyage in the game.
even FoF isnt all that worthwhile since it only spawns in the awfully cheap origanal athena trinkets insted of the newly added ones.
Again i want this bug to get fixed, since it clearly isnt intended. however to purposefully ban people for this would imo be an overreaction
I would agree for the most part, unless people have been warned about it in advance, I don't think a ban would be the way to go. It is an exploit, which I'm sure is mentioned in the Terms of Service somewhere as being a ban-able offense, however because it is only used selfishly and not to harm/grief/troll other players, a warning a perhaps a brief suspension to drive home the "don't exploit" message would suffice.
@pithyrumble said in Question regarding the Veil exploit. (Don't want to get banned):
i would vote for a different punishment than a banhammer too if that could be passed along.
Why? I regularly support leniency but the people doing this could have went and joined an alliance server (one that isn't doing this exploit) with the same energy this took. There is something built into the game for them to gold cheese without consequence.
This is knowingly doing something they shouldn't at the sacrifice of server performance and the experience of others. This isn't something people accidentally do.
There are so many ways to make easy gold in this game while following the rules, it's flat out disrespectful to engage in this nonsense knowing that the servers already have lots of issues.
and something i forgot to mention... it would be a really simple fix for them
if i look at this support item: https://support.seaofthieves.com/hc/en-gb/articles/6979152764818-Captaincy-Captain-s-Stash-Voyages-Temporarily-Unavailable-
they can make individual captains voyages unavailable if there are issues with them
make the Captains LoTV unavailable and hey presto, no more server performance impact, no more exploit
@mintharp184509 said in Question regarding the Veil exploit. (Don't want to get banned):
Rare’s goal should be fostering good behavior not banning otherwise good players for taking advantage of a bug.
I think an official warning with clearly stated consequences would increase transparency and help to curb players using this exploit until it’s patched.
Make the warning appear in game so no one can make any excuses about not seeing it.
I prefer transparency over secrecy.
Players that respect the environment that we share aren't engaging in this. They know it has negative impact on performance and on the organic experience.
This is not hooking themselves up with a bit of an advantage which everyone does to some degree it's causing significant damage for personal gain.
This is a risk/reward game. Take the risk and potentially face the loss. Everyone that is doing this knows they shouldn't. This is not one of those could be an accident exploits.
Never done it but im honestly surprised, banning players for that!?
What the hell!? Rare, how about you do your damn job so it wont be an option.
Banning for that? The amount of disrespect to the consumers is shocking sometimes.
Things like extreme toxic behevior, threatening, hacking should get 0 tolerance but to vote and cancel a voyage for easy loot is bannable?
Too much Ancient Dust?
