Red seaing is cringe, change my mind.

  • I realise there is another thread relating to red seaing, however that is a very specific suggestion and I don't want to derail it further. Instead this is more hoping to understand people's opinons on why red seaing is/isn't a positive feature in this game.

    So here's my point of view:

    Definitions:

    Winning - in the context of PvP, I define winning as being the party that sells the loot (or the controlling percentage of the loot)

    Skill - How good you are at fighting/sailing - how you make decisions on where to go. Angling sails and knowing optimal directions for your ship type falls under skill, but there is a hard limit on how skilled someone can be at it.

    Determination - How willing you are to keep a fight/chase going

    Luck - random variations caused by the game world/hitreg/any other thing which is down to chance

    My argument

    1. In a perfect(or at least better) SoT there are only 3 fundamental factors that should decide who wins a PvP interaction: higher skill, higher determination, and greater luck.

    2. Red seaing does not necessarily require higher skill (assuming both parties know how to angle sails/optimal directions) - you can just point in your ship's optimal direction and run until you despawn - no decision making actually needs to be made.

    3. Red seaing does not require higher determination - both parties are continuing the chase for the same period of time, therefore one cannot be more determined that the other

    4. Red seaing does not necessarily require greater luck - red seaing can be achieved when there are no emergent encounters, noone is in cannon range etc. - both parties are equally lucky

    5. This means that there are cases where red seaing does not fall under the first premise, yet can decide the outcome of who wins - in this case nobody. This is a contradiction, therefore red seaing cannot exist within a perfect SoT. (aka it's cringe, but that's a bit sensational).

    Ways you can convince me I'm wrong

    1. Show me that one of my definitions is incorrect/lacking. (The main one is convince me that angling sails/knowing the optimal direction is something that you can keep getting better at and doesn't have a hard "cap", so that one party is always more skilled at than the other)

    2. Convince me that another fundamental factor should affect who "wins". Note that "does someone red sea"? doesn't really seem like a fundamental factor - it can be made of many other components (such as spite/desire for the other team to loose out), although you could try to convince me of this first.

    3. Show me how points 2-4 are incorrect - I imagine skill would be the easiest to do so, and that will probably be related to the definition.

    4. Come up with something completely different, although I hope I've been rigorous enough that there isn't much scope for that.

    Congrats for getting to the end lol

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  • It’s as toxic as spawn camping. Both are wasting other peoples time out of spite. No respect for anyone who does either.

  • 'Loot is not your until you cash it in'

    If you can't take/cash the loot, it is not yours.

    Chasing is not a PvP encounter. It is Pv........................... no one.

    There is nothing saying you can't or shouldn't chase people but you should at least expect that people may use the Red Sea as an option.

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