If you use the sword your getting the most free kills ever its a 4 hit weapon with stun and any new player can spam one button and kill and experienced double gunner. why do people think spamming 1 button has any skill involved? If your fighting a sword users on a sloop your basically dead please nerf this unskillful weapon so it evens the playing field so a brand new player can spam there way to victory!
Sword is a no skill weapon
there is not that much skill involved.
BTW the skill involved to shoot someone is also not that high, there are not hitzones like for headshots for example.We have this low skillgap because the game is meant to be played for a wide audience of players.
btw. breaking animations to quickswap weapons and kill needs some fingeracrobatic skills, but is still exploiting.
People who rely on exploitusing to win a fight arent skilled, they would be if they can win without exploiting by using the intended mechanics.
Animations are there for a reason, else the devs would not have coded them and rare would not try to fix this for 2 years already.There is no matchmaking and Rare want us all play together.
If the combat is to shallow for your dedicated gamer heart, the game is maybe too casually.
It's not good sports to then go out and exploit.I posted it a lot of times, but don't people see they are like this guy?
It's like you are a Soccer or Baskeball Pro going to the playground stomping some kids.
Feels great? Ok sorry i havent said anything, continue bullying weaker people, i can hear you crying when you meet someone bigger beating you.Also your claim is wrong.
I played against my daughter for example.
I won as i used all cutlass moves, dodge, strafe, lunge....
I was way more skilled to position myself better, i was well more skilled to time my slashes etc....I dont say it needs a lot of skill, but you can train sword and you will be better than players who have not trained or any experience with the cutlass.
If it would take no skill at all the fights would end up randomly.
the skilled player is the player who wins.
This hasn't changed!@vurtie
Sword is unskillful compared to guns, I agree, But it is not overpowered and in need of a nerf, just run away, use blunderbombs, jump in the water. All of these work.If you think that because you're on a sloop it is impossible to dodge, no: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwAVrSfRFnQ
@kaijoi no its not impossible but its very hard and in arena you cant just jump in the water and when there in your face spamming youll kill yourself if you blunder bomb sword is a no skill weapon thats why all the new players use it because its easy to get kills.
@vurtie said in Sword is a no skill weapon:
If your fighting a sword users on a sloop your basically dead
Then how about you switch your weapon for sloops? If you want your double gun combo to be superior in every single situation, might as well ask them to remove cutlass from game?
@korpp1s no they shouldnt remove it but its should not be a 4 hit kill they can get the 3 hit combo and you try and jump away and they slice you again and your dead
Let me say this again . Not everyone cares about a meta .. not every one cares about what ya use to kill people. If ya silly enough to get close to a person with a sword or blunder ya deserve to die. I’ve seen equally good double gunner equally bad double gunners I’ve seen wonderful sword players and seen wonderfully bad sword players. No one cares at the end of the day who wins In a fight the only thing that matters is who is sleeping at bottom of the ocean no matter the way it happens ..sword is here to stay. Learn to use every weapon and cater to circumstance. For instance when I board I’m usually double gunning a pistol and a blunder buss because it’s close qaurters. If it’s not my favor I’ll do sword pistol . If ship defense sword blunder if I’m doing a fort sniper sword.. it changes move on.
@vurtie I highly hate sword spamming. However, I do think it is really about the way you use the sword. It takes no skill to spam left click or right trigger. I agree with that 100%. However, you can use the sword in certain ways that do require skill. The way to classify a sword spammer is someone who ignores the existence of guns, the block and the sword dash. But to be fair, most people do just spam left click or right trigger. It has made PvP quite repetitive and boring sometimes since almost everybody is a sword spammer now.
None of the weapons in this game take “skill” to use. It’s a video game, and one with very very basic combat controls.
If you think your skilful because your using a cutlass, eye of reach, pistol or blunderbuss then your deluded.
The only skill, and I use the word skill loosely, is seeing what weapon an opponent has and avoiding being killed by it.
@pabio-escobar my counter to that is being in the disadvantage and still winning the fight. Or Two sword users worth their salt duking it out.
@vurtie well the thing is, if you didnt choose to double gun you are actually able to block mid combo strike, meaning they wouldnt be able to strike you three times, meaning you wouldnt be dead after a 4th strike because you blocked their previous strikes (be it 1, 2 or all three of them)
However, alot of doublegunners expect their meta to work in every situation.
It takes a sword 4 hits to actually kill a person but a blunder can get a one shot kill and is the only weapon that can do that AND is also the only weapon that gives knockback on every hit (sword being the only other one but only gives knockback on the third hit of a combo)
I’d say blunder is much more op...
The thing is, when you choose to run with two guns you also choose to forgo any sort of blocking advantage and movement advantage a sword can give you (lunge, block jumping etc) and thus at that point You have a choice do i have one of my guns be a blunderbuss? As this would give the option to shoot at the swording attacker to make them die or at least be knocked back giving some room to create more distance.
If you choose to run pistol sniper you can two shot people fairly quickly, because pf the damage they both deal and there aren’t that many food options that can give back enough health to prevent that from happening the only job as an attacker you have then is to make sure you let nobody come in danger close to be able to sword/one-blunder you.
Saying sword isnt a skillfull weapon and saying other weapons are is disingenuous because of the fact that just standing still in front of someone or jus tmoving slightly and spamming the mouse button wont work with a sword 99/100 times and if you feel like it does mostly work then your doublegunning skills in combination with your movement skills aren’t as good as you think they are.
Sword has an issue though and that is that you can hit an enemy with it whilst being behind/in a friendly player, this makes it so that you can get vortexed. On the other hand guns can shoot trough friendly players because their body blocks the bullet.
@korpp1s no they shouldnt remove it but its should not be a 4 hit kill they can get the 3 hit combo and you try and jump away and they slice you again and your dead
One word, block. You shouldn't be getting hit with a full combo, at the very least you should react enough to block the last. I get it, your a double gunner, however, that is what is going to happen when you choose a defenseless weapon combination and let them get close to you.
You talk about how unfair it is to die in four hits, yet you have zero problems that double gun can kill them in two. You bring up the struggles of fighting on a sloop, all I've got to say is what do you expect? Double gun excels at range and when you have room to scramble. Why should you be on an equal playing field in an area that has none of that?
Weapons are fine, might be time you just adapt.
Maybe just learn to position yourself to not be in range to be killed by a sword and point and click them twice to kill them instead? You can hit them anywhere, it isn't that much of a demand.
If you struggle in close quarter combat maybe pick a weapon that is better suited in those ranges like a blunderbuss, sword or use a blunderbomb to increase the range between the two of you?
You want to be a ranged glass cannon? Play accordingly and if you don't have the positioning skills to manage, you can use other tools that are more suited for the situation that you place yourself in.
A single setup is not supposed to be the only proper way to play the game in every situation. Use all the tools in the tool box or compensate for the drawbacks of a setup with your own abilities.
Another person complaining about not having the skills and blames the game for their limited approach to the game. Another person who believes a sword is limited to swiping because they never use it and only come across the weapon in a gun versus sword combat situation. One that has never been a part of a good sword duel where their skills can shine.
Double guns are the strongest weapon combination in the game if you have the ability to use it, yet it is not the only one and not always the best one for all situations. Not everyone uses the best setup in the game, not everyone is interested in being a gun slinger in a pirate fantasy game and not everyone that uses that setup is good enough to do it either.
Good gun slingers will beat sword users, but a good sword user will punish any mistakes they make. Get good or adapt, you state it takes skill to use... so become better. A weapon in a game cannot determine ones skill and in the end the skill of positioning is the most important one.
Also good sword users use more buttons than a gunner, well at least in a sword duel; slice, lunge, block, dodge jump, lunge jump... how many moves and buttons do you use to kill someone, quick aim and shoot? So, you hit 1 button for a split second and the other twice with a scroll wheel fling in between.
@vurtie said in Sword is a no skill weapon:
If you use the sword your getting the most free kills ever
Not really true unless you're up against inexperienced pirates.
its a 4 hit weapon with stun
You can escape the stun by blocking and then sword-dodging; it's also more accurate to say that it's a up-to-3-slash weapon that can kill in 4 slashes.
and any new player can spam one button and kill and experienced double gunner.
No they can't, because experienced double gunners know how to keep their distance.
why do people think spamming 1 button has any skill involved?
The skill is not in swinging the sword - anyone can do that. It's how they get in close and avoid being shot or blocked that involves skill.
If your fighting a sword users on a sloop your basically dead
Again, untrue. A blunderbuss and a full compliment of throwable bombs will make short work of many a sword-user.
please nerf this unskillful weapon so it evens the playing field
They already did; then they buffed it; now it's balanced.
so a brand new player can spam there way to victory!
Only if it's against another new pirate! Otherwise, they're fish bait!
@valor-omega said in Sword is a no skill weapon:
That's rich, considering guns are vastly more powerful.
They're not; they're actually about the same in regards to overall balance, especially due to their very specific roles and ranges.
@bugaboo-bill
We have this low skillgap because the game is meant to be played for a wide audience
The skill gap was perfect before December 2019. It got even worse after the April update of 2020. The skill gap is as thin as ice. That is not a good thing. People have put lots of effort in the past to get good and now that has practically been chucked out the window due to how no skill is required for the sword.
There is 2 options to make PvP good again.
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Keep the sword as a skill-less weapon but nerf it.
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Keep the current sword, but tweak it so that it requires skill to use.
Rare cater to much towards new players and try to make the game way to easy for them. The game needs to be challenging. It can't all just be served on a dinner plate.
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@vurtie People should stop making these posts. I've seen, what? 10? 20? They're all annoying. Don't complain about the sword. It's fine how it is. Also, the stun is to prevent trading slashes with swords.
@vurtie There's also the fact that before the buff, swords were completely outclassed by double-gunning. Now, all the double-gunners are annoyed that the sword is better now.
@dominusocto7 said in Sword is a no skill weapon:
@vurtie There's also the fact that before the buff, swords were completely outclassed by double-gunning. Now, all the double-gunners are annoyed that the sword is better now.
Swords where underrated. All the big pro streamers said it was garbage. It was not. They just had absolutely miraculous aim. Rare just trusted the streamers to much in that the sword was terrible. Thats why all these buffs have happened.
@jctc758
I would have agreed in 2018 - the game becomes easier since Release.
They have a plan, its their vision and their game, i meanwhile understand why they do so.
the tryhards do not contribute that much in total to the community as they wish they would do with figuring out bugs, glitches etc.I aproach this game as a casual, because i see the whole game is build around casual gameplay - the horozontal progression alone.
I btw came here during tech. Alpha and stayed exactly because of that.
The people putting effort into the game to train their MM for aiming is bcause they misinterpret the game and what the Devs want.
This is not a high competetive shooter and even if some streamers play it like this and master tucking, DGE'ing and to pwn some noobs or play TDM in Arena Forts, that is not what the game is about and they are not the elite of players or the SoT community.
People need to understand that, but i see it's hard to see it and to accept it.
you were lured to the wrong game if you a relooking for serious competetive Arena or gunplay. I mean, i play for 35 years and i also played competetive and very much dedicated back in the days, now i dont do that anymore - i'm oldsql and i enjoy it there is no Meaning to pixels, i enjoy it the combat ist not rocketscience and i fight for having no exploitive meta for PvP, but fun battles.
I have so much stuff and gold, and extra, i dont care if i sink, even if i had 5 times the FoTD loot - i didnt grind anything i just played and let all happen by the way - not caring for progression, why ever - this is a Pirate Adventure playground with simplistic combat, about fun and nothing meaningfull.since several streamers made it popular to tuck on Noob ships and pwn them hard - what alone is pitifull and shows they dont need much skill - i wish Pace and Summit play R6S and then we would see who is a skilled player regarding FPS.
Fortnite, PUBG, are you kidding me XD
Kids games.
Organize an ArmA Squad, do some serious competition, dont come here and pwn some noobs and then brag around you have skill or your aim is good, the hitboxes in this game are so big, my grandma can shoot you.So, what i am defending is the game SoT was or is and wants to be, at least what i have understood from many Developer messages, videos, twitter posts.
what many want and try to turn the game into is not what we want and comes from quastionable aproaches to gaming in general from some streamers.
this game is just not what you want it to be and i dont want it to change in this direction - play Fortnite and get the pirate costumes - i'm sure they exist, and then play Arena Fort TDM.
Let SoT be the game it wants to be.
and yes Rare is guilty for beeing greedy and instruct another Studio to create Arena to do exatcly what all Studios are forced to do and what allways ends up in a Desaster.
they want to please all players, they want to have all play together, when the partys hate each other.
PvPers hate PvE'rs.
PvE'rs hate PVP'ers...I dont care, too old for this, but i want SoT to be a casual friendly game, not a shooter, not an e-Sport, not serious in any way but about fun comical pirate adventures.
And this is how the game was merchandised back then, how it is designed.
But yeah gamers dont accept it and make their own game, start exploiting, start doing their thing and try to change the Game.
that is true for the PvE Server demanders and also true for the PvP tryhards who want proper gunplay, headshots, wallbangs, and PvP only.
i said that before Arena was even a thing and nobody knew what it would be, would it be part of Adventure, would it be a seperate Gamemode?
when it was clear it would be that gamemode i said: you are attracting players with completely different demands and you will have controverse you wont ever be able to solve. 1 Year later - here we are.Players like you jumped on the Arena, come from watching FPS streamers dominating some noobs.
If you ever come across skilled crew you may are better shooters, but to my crew they allways sink, as they are only goot shooters, but mostly bad sailors, bad cannoneers etc.
And if i hear and read about SoT and what some want or do in the game, they dont care for Pirate adventure fantasy stuff, they dont care for some RP or are able to aproach other crews different.
To people like you every ship on the horizin ist an Attack on sight.
And you feel that is what the game is about, but that is only a part of what the game is about.
You need not care for the rest, true, but you miss to see the bigger picture.
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