Has this ever happened to you?

  • I’m just curious if others are having similar experiences..

    Firstly, I loathe PvP. Never liked it, brings out the worst in humanity. This season being what it is, I’m making a concerted effort to give it a chance. Please leave your toxic “git good” comments to yourself..

    Last night, I decided to solo sloop some guardians . My setup is PS5, region locked, no crossplay, controllers only, closed session and no to crew joining,

    I managed to streak 4 and make it to champion, but that’s when things get interesting. I decided to dive for the 5 streak. In the middle of the dive, other players (multiple accounts) are phasing on and off my sloop. At one point, two people show up on the boat.. I can see their names in the recent player list, so not just a glitch imho.

    Before I can cancel the dive, I’m surfacing to a level 5 reaper. This guy could hit a fly from 1km: are ships are on the 3rd cannon ring away. He fires and the cannon lands directly on me (person me, not ship me), second shot - same thing. I eat and move to next to the map table to see if I can snipe him. Third shot - direct hit to me again… seriously?! I managed to hit their ship 3 times consecutively (with the chime on each hit) then cannon over at this point only to find zero holes…

    I’m over it. I quit - rage quit - hoping the don’t get rewarded with my flag for what looks like blatantly and obvious cheating. But who’s the cheater? And what were the phasing accounts? Do they have anything to do with this not aiming?

    Rare: please step up your anti-cheat detection, because I’m over this

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  • @tigger5891 said in Has this ever happened to you?:

    In the middle of the dive, other players (multiple accounts) are phasing on and off my sloop. At one point, two people show up on the boat.. I can see their names in the recent player list, so not just a glitch imho.

    This is common when multiple ships are diving on the same server. Sometimes you get mistakenly placed in the same tunnel and can see each other. Usually it's momentary before you get migrated away to a different server, and sometimes you can see a backwards ship appear.

  • In the middle of the dive, other players (multiple accounts) are phasing on and off my sloop. At one point, two people show up on the boat.. I can see their names in the recent player list, so not just a glitch imho.

    This is a regular bug, you are seeing other people diving on your server

    Sounds like your opponent just hit a few shots and you instantly called cheats, everyone has lucky shots sometimes. Even a cannon aimbot could not have tracked you like that because of travel time

    Your 3 cannons couldve hit the anchor, wheel, mast, or the harpoon and it would've given zero holes, also they could've been repped

  • @d3adst1ck
    nothing like this on the previous 20+ dives; get to champion and then it starts? I mean… come on…

  • @captain-knyt
    Yeah, could have hit the mast, anchor; but no damage anywhere visible on the ship… thank you for your comments , but I’m calling out this bs… I’m happy to lose a fair fight and gladly will give up the flag for this; this was beyond…

  • @tigger5891 You seem to be too confident that they were cheating so nothing could change your mind. Fyi there are currently no repair cheats (except shipwright repair if they are next to an outpost), so you are onto nothing

  • @tigger5891 your spread was not optimal then, i think this is a skill issue you need to work on. Practice hitting different parts so it's harder for them to manage repairs.

  • @captain-knyt
    …Bringing to it the best in humanity…

  • I’m confused what is the issue here.

    Reaching streak 5 is impressive in itself as a solo, most normal players don’t get past 2 before losing unless the wins were given

    Fighting someone who also has streaks because you chose too and find out they happen to have better aim, and you were surprised to find 0 holes by the time you shot over and boarded….enough time to fix.
    But as some pointed. Your hits could been nothing more than anchor, mast, wheel shots and no haul.

    Now you’re raging because you lost with 0 evidence of cheating but assuming it was because. 0 holes on a ship which can be your poor shots. Nothing to do there.

  • @karminiumsot
    Here we go.. the get good comments start. So toxic.

    Definitely, it’s a skill issue. I should just get better at dodging cannonballs that follow me. And better at better at spreading my shots. That 4 wins streak was skillless luck.

    Some general advice:
    The title of this post is a general inquiry on whether others have had similar issues/experiences. If it hasn’t, read and move along. Like you coming to the defence of what exactly? Or just trolling that it’s “another complainer”?? [mod removed]

  • @tigger5891 said in Has this ever happened to you?:

    @d3adst1ck
    nothing like this on the previous 20+ dives; get to champion and then it starts? I mean… come on…

    You wanted an explanation, I gave one. It's a common bug/glitch with the tunnel system.

  • "Firstly, I loathe PvP. Never liked it, brings out the worst in humanity." Man you must hate sports.

  • @d3adst1ck said in Has this ever happened to you?:

    You wanted an explanation, I gave one. It's a common bug/glitch with the tunnel system.

    Is this bug being exploited/manipulated by players for intel/matching/bypassing lockouts (regional server, console only, crossmatch, etc)? Also: are champion ships coded differently or somehow “more” visible? The timing seems very sus…

    Love how everyone jumps to attacking the poster and defending… not sure exactly… I’m sure I’m not the only one out there this has happened to, but these comments go a long way to suppressing others, so congratulations!

    I need to start recording dives and fights for the rare (although seemingly becoming more frequent) time these things are happening… that’s really the only constructive thing this thread is telling me.

    GAL

  • @tigger5891 said in Has this ever happened to you?:

    @d3adst1ck said in Has this ever happened to you?:

    You wanted an explanation, I gave one. It's a common bug/glitch with the tunnel system.

    Is this bug being exploited/manipulated by players for intel/matching/bypassing lockouts (regional server, console only, crossmatch, etc)? Also: are champion ships coded differently or somehow “more” visible? The timing seems very sus…

    No. It happens in the originating server, not the one you end up emerging from so there is nothing that could be gained.

  • @tigger5891 ????????????? i mean yea it happens, but it's because i did bad and need more practice. you're on a sloop, moving the cannon 2 centimeters moves the cannonball like 5 meters. literally you made a "they're better so they're cheating" argument

  • @d3adst1ck

    Well, either the player I matched with is a god (… I looked them up: not a streamer, very little in their profile, 11% trophy completion) or they somehow managed to merge from a PC/non-controller base…

  • @karminiumsot

    Cannonball through the hatch window at 500m… twice. I mean… I can only laugh; that is god status.

    Maybe you never meet that player…

  • @tigger5891 i can do that, he's probably getting spread. Also you are playing against a brig, so they probably were both hitting you at different spots

  • @tigger5891 said in Has this ever happened to you?:

    @d3adst1ck

    Well, either the player I matched with is a god (… I looked them up: not a streamer, very little in their profile, 11% trophy completion) or they somehow managed to merge from a PC/non-controller base…

    So the way it works is normally you select to prefer controller players, but it’s a preference and not a guarantee and can be put on PC servers if there’s not a match quick enough. The fact you started seeing the ghost people makes me think this is what happened. That’s a super common bug. BUT, PS5 has its own option that my Xbox doesn’t where you can select something to make it PS5 only and not just controller only, but idk if it is a preference or a lock. I thought it was a lock, but to me it sounds like you got put on PC servers?

    As far as if the person was a cheater, could have been, but there’s lots of people who are super good at hourglass who aren’t streamers or content creators. The low stats makes it suspicious but I was watching a small streamer the other night who ran into a crew and it turned out to be a PvP streamer who was on an alt and just not streaming at that time. They came into chat after the match to out themselves. So it could be either IMO.

  • @karminiumsot said in Has this ever happened to you?:

    @tigger5891 i can do that, he's probably getting spread. Also you are playing against a brig, so they probably were both hitting you at different spots

    No.. it’s solo sloop vs solo sloop.

    No brigs here

  • @tigger5891 ok got forums mixed up oopsies

    but still, there are naval specialists, calling it cheats is kinda overkill considering it's not abnormal

  • @abjectarity

    Yeah, I thought the ps5 thing was a lock too.. but maybe that’s removed during dives? Or maybe once you hit champion? (Bigger selection pool, champ vs champ, etc). Not sure and there doesn’t seem to be an explanation online.

    I’ll get up, brush off, move on and am determined to do it again… I will be watching and recording specifically for this…

  • @tigger5891 I do know matchmaking really moves quickly to try and get you a match by expanding the pool faster than I think is necessary. I personally play other competitive games and even in the unranked mode my queue times will be up to 10 minutes depending what role I am playing and the time of day. I’ve always felt SoT moves too quickly to expand the search pool because after only 1 minute of searching it starts to expand the requirements. If you’ve been in the tunnel for 3 minutes it feels like it just gives up and gives you anything available lol but apparently people who play SoT would rather play a match than wait for a quality one?? At least that’s what the devs think? I personally would rather wait but I’m used to waiting.

    Recording is a good idea, it’ll help you have a playback to review if something feels suspicious. It would be cool if the game had recordings where you can see from the other player’s perspective. Like in other games I have been like “how did they hit that shot?!?!” and then I watch the replay from their POV and am like “oooooh.” But SoT can’t afford to record everyone.

  • @abjectarity

    Yes….All of this.

    The PC vs console differences don’t make it competitive. It’s like taking a Toyota corolla to race in formula 1.. or your high school basketball team to face the LA Lakers (or any NBA team)..

  • The PC vs console differences don’t make it competitive. It’s like taking a Toyota corolla to race in formula 1.. or your high school basketball team to face the LA Lakers (or any NBA team

    It’s not competition at all.
    Using this, high school vs Lakers can also come down to creative gameplay
    Maybe the high school team stays playing like Harlem Globetrotters? Or they pull Space Jam and bring in someone who ain’t high schooler but a pro to help?

    Bottom line. It all fair game between everyone as long you use what the game offers and you can pull wins not just using what everyone calls meta.

    Day SoT starts offering competitive play will be a horrible day. And copy cat of all other games

  • @tigger5891

    I think others have covered it already, but just to foot stomp, it’s common to see other players on your ship while diving, not that common, but it happens. It’s in no way indicative of cheating.

    Regarding the “worst in humanity”, have you heard of Facebook or looked under any YouTube video to read the comments? Yea, no pvp required for people to act terrible on the internet. The vast majority of my hourglass matches end in “gg”, with little to no correspondence otherwise. The most toxic encounters I have in sot are from those who feel entitled to an event with the big cloud in the sky advertising it for everyone, absolutely outraged when someone dares try to contest it in the pirate game.

    Regarding your cheating claims… maybe, but based on what you’re saying here it’s not convincing without seeing it myself. I think you might just not realize how good some people are at snipes. There are countless videos on YouTube (sponge, for example) demonstrating just how good people are at snipes. Even I occasionally hit some long range snipes targeting the cannon. Keep in mind that the cannon isn’t running around the boat, it’s the number one snipe target and it’s always in the same place. With practice you can get pretty good at consistently hitting in that area. As a side note, I’ve turned in countless cheaters with video evidence and gotten the email confirmation “one or more players you reported were banned, etc”. I’m no stranger to it and have a good eye for it, unfortunately. Luckily I haven’t noticed it in my last few sessions, but I haven’t been playing as much either.

    Frankly, I don’t think you encountered cheaters, and you’re sort of taking losing badly. Taking losing badly tends to lead to negativity, and if your encounters usually lead to the “the worst in humanity”, just remember that you play a role in that too.

    Nice job getting a champion streak, though.

    Edit; I read all of the post here and see that you’re going to get back at it. Muscle emoji to you sir.

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