Unfair Gameplay

Please fix the issue regarding people attacking your ship when you are on an island doing a mission

Safer Seas

I don't think there's an issue with the game, are you playing by yourself or with friends? if you're by yourself you should get a crew to play, that way you can plan stuff, like 2 people get out of the ship and sell stuff and the other 2 keep watch.

@slantingagent72 Hey mate just to let you know those other people sinking and camping you def have jobs and lives too.

So no one addressing the underlining issue the OP is referring to ? Pity, but not surprising given the atmosphere. To OP just try to have as much fun as you can with the game in its current state and keep an eye on the dev streams.

@sairdontis4317 Because his complaint is concerning the core gameplay loop of the game...

It's the equivalent of complaining about CSing in league of legends or headshots in CS.

The answer is always be on the lookout even while on islands, scan your surroundings, park in safe locations on islands to give you plenty of time to prepare.

@nitroxien If you say so.

I agree with awareness, however still not addressing the issues the devs are starting to. Game may be coming around to balanced for new players especially.

OP refer back to the last sentence of my previous reply.

@callmebackdraft Not helpful to OP and just refers to a "git gud" mentality that is also not helpful to anyone. Take note also that "parts of the game" are just that parts and like all parts can be modified or replaced as we are seeing more and more lately.

As @BurnBacon mentioned, are you not aware of the Safer sea mode? Server all to yourself, no player threats, and next update will provide same amount of gold rewards as high seas. Why don't you try that mode?

General tip, despite your suggestion coming from an emotional state. Try to make your post a bit more neutral. When you accuse people who do pvp of being jobless and having no life you display a bias which makes it difficult to take any of your suggestion seriously as it comes off very whiny.

@knurd9369 "Spawn camping with intent to sink the ship (i.e. to stop you repairing) is a legitimate tactic. " Honestly, with respect, I disagree with this sentiment.

Spawn camping from a gameplay standpoint points towards design that could use a looking at.

For one I would have to assume that the ability to be able to stand behind where players are known to spawn too was allowed because of a programming issue with spacing distance to the back or sides of the ship, otherwise it is a baked in advantage to the aggressor and disregards defenders advantage from a reinforcement and regrouping standpoint.

There should have always been a disadvantage beyond an opportunity one (not being somewhere on the ship ie. cannons, helm, and/or capstan) to camping a players' spawning in area as this should be a defensive structure for the very purpose of a fallback point.

@sairdontis4317 Disagree all you want but it doesn't change the fact RARE is on record stating this is valid/allowed gameplay and not toxic (that is of course contingent upon the players not being verbally toxic themselves while doing so - in that case the speech is toxic, not the action of "spawn camping" in this case of securing the sink). If you are in that situation, you've already lost the battle. Not a pleasant situation but unfortunately unavoidable due to the limited space and spawns available on a ship (sloop being the worst). But RARE has made it a little nore difficult for boarders with the locking of the weapon locker to other crews.

There is a distinct difference between keeping the ship secure to ensure the sink and spawn camping just for the jollies and grief.

@sairdontis4317 We're not doing this discussion, I'm sorry.

Defending yourself on the seas is a primary game mechanic that you have to keep in mind. Your defenses are as sturdy or as brittle as your skill in doing so. Once that defense is down and gotten past, it is very difficult for any player to recover.

Respawning on a small ship like the sloop is a problem that was addressed back in Season 7, but by now, yeah, skilled players will easily figure out where you spawn. They don't have much else to do on the boat but prevent you from repairing it, if you let them on the boat, there is usually an error on your part that you will have to suffer the harsh consequences of. It's no different in any other game minus loading into a server-wide timeout/waiting room till it's time to respawn.

@Nex-Stargaze "@sairdontis4317 We're not doing this discussion, I'm sorry."

If you are not interested in discussion why bother typing here at all. Oh, wait you want me not to be allowed to discuss on this topic ?

The issue remains that allowed or not it diminishes counterplay and if you are ok with that fine, but others have a different opinion and will be heard also.

@knurd9369 I do wonder sometimes if Rare has allowed this mechanic so far put a bit of a time limit on fighting back from a sink also. If the battle had to go until you ran out or your opponent ran out of boards and cannonballs then some would see this as taking too long sort of a ship ttk (time to kill) issue to use a shooter game phrase.

@sairdontis4317 said in Unfair Gameplay:

If you are not interested in discussion why bother typing here at all. Oh, wait you want me not to be allowed to discuss on this topic ?

It is a tired topic that stems from a player's refusal to understand the embedded game mechanics of a fairly brutal PvPvE game.

It ends in a stalemate of discussion because in some ways, both sides are right, but nothing will be done about it at the end of the day, so it's really just wiser to "suck it up" or "ship out".

This game unfortunately relies very heavily on the player's skill and knowledge to get out of most situations, and in a PvP scenario: you don't let the enemy board you because they will have the advantage if they send you to the ferry, and it will end your naval fight sooner than later, much to your displeasure.

@knurd9369 said in Unfair Gameplay:

One potential solution is to nerf repairing a bit (making naval damage more powerful), but that may cause more complaints from crews that get sunk than the current situation, which at least allows for the possibility of recovery.

The only way to make the concept of repairing less effective, is by severely reduce supply count.

All kinds of common supplies are very easy to get your hands on, and in a naval fight, the winner tends to be the one with the most wood, and the best boarding defense (be it numbers, skill, or both). Less wood means that peppering a lot of damage overtime can become a very effective way to "win" a fight.

Of course then there's the issue of being able to reliably sail away when there's a significant amount of water in your boat pre-sink, but it's a lot of thought that goes into how the game works and how players will utilize the game mechanics to their own advantage or necessity. It's why the game isn't very merciful by design.

@capt-greldik said in Unfair Gameplay:

@slantingagent72

I have an actual job and life and I love SoT. I’d imagine that the vast majority of people playing this game also have actual jobs and lives. People need to stop calling those who sunk them no-lifers as a coping mechanism.

The person who sunk you at that island one time likely had a job and life.

When I started playing SoT I recognized that I needed to be cautious and aware of my surroundings in this PvPvE game, and eventually I took steps to better my chances versus other players. Your approach, however, is to go on the forums and ask for the game to be changed to suit you.

Different strokes for different folks.

From what I can tell no life sweats are the least of this game's problems. Player skill is not the issue.

@sairdontis4317 In the supposed case of "unfair gameplay"...

Yes, player skill is a primary issue. While the game's functions are flawed based on latency and performance, most of the times when you lose in a PvP conflict... it's your fault. You made an error and weren't aware enough to prevent the conflict from going out of your favor.

@nex-stargaze And yet, there are many streams and streamers outlining with video footage the issues with combat in this game...

@sairdontis4317

@nex-stargaze said in Unfair Gameplay:

While the game's functions are flawed based on latency and performance, most of the times when you lose in a PvP conflict... it's your fault.

The issues with the game's combat are its functions, not its premise. Getting attacked for not checking the horizons is a player fault. Getting into a scenario where you are spawncamped is most of the time a player fault.

That is not something the game should be trying to fix, as that goes against the literal freedoms you have as a player in a game that's supposed to have "no set rules" kind of world. Especially when you are engaging in appropriate conduct such as sinking a ship and preventing the enemy players from repairing said sinking ship.

@nex-stargaze Was referring to hitreg, lag, and the like. These things can not be the player's fault unless they are messing with the game in some way (ie. cheating). If lag throws off movement resulting in getting flung into the spawn area during combat and/or hitreg getting you killed due to your attacks for food eating not being recognized by the game and kills resulting in a scenario where you are now being spawncamped this not the players' fault.

There are streamers who have showcased these issues. A static spawn area will always result in the possibly of being spawncamped as these requires the player to be predictable in where they spawn back into the game from the ferry. Players have no control over this designed killbox that they are forced to spawn into.

I can’t agree with the original point. PvP is a part of the game whether you’re on your ship or not. It doesn’t have to bleed into the ‘git good’ mentality at all.

It's a sandbox where anything pirate-like goes. It is frustrating to be working in a simple map on a massive island only to have your boat splintered. It is the nature of the game. Like other folks have said, safer seas guarantees safe quest aside from npcs, but at a cap. You can scuttle to a new server if your getting shafted relentlessly. Making a boat temporarily invincible is not a sound idea. You would have to also justify making them invincible for a duration when doing skeleton forts/ ritual sites and even underwater vaults.

Best to stick with what you can do and adapt if you need to.

@hazelnautz Fortunately, that is not the direction things are going.