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  • I would say that I have given this game a fair try - 32h of playtime..
    In this 32h i managed to climb to 100k gold - let that sink in... I play solo and enjoy playing solo.. However this game is extremly frustrating as a new player and I can't recommend it to anybody who want's to play solo. You'll get camped at outposts.. Every bigger ship that sees a sloop will go for it and make sure to destroy your game expirience. It has become a pure [Mod edit] show at times. There is actually 0 balancing server wise.. i.e. sloops will only get servers with sloops..
    Players with less expirience get players with equal expirience or something like that.. There are ways to implement balancing - but it seems like the developers don't care about that.
    Surely there are people enjoing going 1v4 - i am not the one willing to grind hundreds of hours just to possibly reach the skill level to be able to do that.

    Tbh I can happily put this game to rest because it is just not enjoyable for solos.

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  • @wolfeye-rave

    It is an open game , people with all kinds of experience and also all kind of mindsets play on the same server. Not one Developer can be blamed for the mindset of it's players , that is simply impossible to controle or moderate...

    But as you said , you are new to this game , believe me , that is not a crime but jumping into a solo adventure , without having any experience in this game is almost like asking to get beaten... This may seem an easy , arcady game but ... None of that is true , it's easy to learn ,yes but very hard to master...

    Before throwing this game in the corner ,followed by a few curse words , i would press on your Heart to simply try again... Nooo!!!, NOT on yer own , but with a crew ... Another warning , you can have Heavens or Hells in a random crew , but if you explain very well ,what exactly you want to do , for example learn while playing , you would be amazed how many wonderful people will try to help you with the Looking For Group option...

    You can throw the door close on my nose , don't worry , i don't get upset , i already have a bulldognose , but then , you will never experience what many of us has experienced in this game , all kinds of reasons, Adventures and friendships that wouldn't have been formed if this game didn't excist...

    And losing a game isn't bad , it IS bad if you lose and didn't learned from it , remember , all winners are losers that never gave up...

    That's all i can say , the ball rolled into your camp , you are a free spirit , you can walk away , or you can try again with some help... This will NOT mean that you can never Solo Sloop again, but starting as a Solo Slooper goes along with a lot of dissapointment before the game opens up to you...

    Whatever your choice may be ,i wish you fun with this or any other game.Sir.

  • There is no sympathy for self inflicted wounds.

    It’s a multiplayer game and your playing it wrong! Might as well play Mortal Kombat with a DJ Hero controller and then claim MK sucks!

    There are currently 250+ LFG Posts on XBOX!

    That’s 250 people Hosting a Variety of Brigs, Sloops and Galleons for you to Join and Sail with!

    Average Crew size of 3 that’s 750 people available RIGHT NOW to “Help” you!

    These posts tell you exactly what the Goal of the session is and if you don’t see what you like you can host one yourself!

    They aren’t “Random”. You invite people to party chat first and make sure your all on the same page!

    Need Tall Tales chapter 2? It’s there.

    Need Athena Voyage? It’s there!

    Fishing? There

    There are even Crews for people who don’t want to use a Mic!

    The BEST thing about this game is that it is only as Good (or Bad) as the people you play it with!

  • @wolfeye-rave

    You can also learn how to play the game and how to play as a solo? You only played 32 hours and expect to be a master of the seas... this is a PvEvP multiplayer online environment with a focus on crews, you know a pirate usually isn't expected to be alone. Yet being solo is 100% viable and with good decisions, practice and a bit of stubborn seamanship you can literally do every single aspect of the game. Yet if you expect to always win, never sink and that PvP will be easy... you are coming in with wrong expectations. If you are unwilling to put in the time to learn... you expect everyone else around you to simply lose in a multiplayer game? If you seek an easier time... CREW UP!

  • @wolfeye-rave said in sea of griefs.. this game is a sh** show:

    Tbh I can happily put this game to rest because it is just not enjoyable for solos.

    Its a good thing that your extensive 32h knowledge supercedes the experiences that ALOT of solo players been having since release of this game.

    Ill just share a couple well known solo players:

    Beardageddon (twitch)
    Shockwavez0ro (twitch)
    Captain falcore (youtube/twitch)
    Phuzzybond (youtube/twitch)
    Boxyfresh (twitch)
    Absolutepixel (youtube/twitch)

    Each with thousands of hours of solo slooping under their belt, yeah your experience 32h experience is obviously more telling....

  • @callmebackdraft Well I said a gave it a try. Also mentioned that I am not willing to put in hundreds of hours until this game becomes fun for me. Next time read the whole post thanks.

  • @cotu42 not necessarily.. I am glad there are people who are enjoying it.. It is just not the game for me. Surely it is solo playable with enough experince and know how.
    You know I have a somewhat busy life and I can't find the time grinding every day for hours.
    Don't get me wrong - I really care for this game otherwise I wouldn't have posted in the first place.
    I just think that there are a lot of people feeling the same way I do. In my opinion there is wasted potential. But clearly a lot of people will think different and that is fine.

  • @wolfeye-rave He is saying you can't speak to how enjoyable it is as a solo slooper when your amount of time on the game is tiny compared to others. You might think that's a lot of play time but those of us have been around for years that's nothing.

    Also the game really isn't meant to be played as a solo. You can certainly do it if you are knowledgeable and experienced but that's again not what it was designed for. You are new and chances are very good that you aren't keeping an eye on the horizon at all times which is allowing you to be caught. Sloops can get away from both other ships as long as you stay against the wind but I imagine you are not realizing someone is even there until they are beside you as most new players do. As others have said you should find an experienced player or two to guide you and learn from them before throwing in the hat

  • @glannigan
    Well, I never asked for empathy.
    Look - I really care for this game because it does so many things right. I just think there is wasted potential with a decent offline mode or balancing. Quite frankly there are a lot of posts people wishing for that and saying playing solo isn't enjoyable for them. I am clearly not the only one.

  • @clumsy-george First of all thank you for your post and uplifting words. :)
    You know I posted because I care for that game... And it has so many awesome things in it. However I just think there is so much wasted potential for players like myself - who can enjoy playing solo or offline games.. people who enjoy the stories and PvE. I am not the only one feeling this way.
    Clearly my expirience with this game was frustrating and maybe I should have known better.. I am just dissapointed, that I'll never get to know all the tales in sea of tieves simply because I don't enjoy Multiplayer and don't have the time to grind hundreds of hours to create an enjoyable Solo-Player experience.

  • @wolfeye-rave said in sea of griefs.. this game is a [Mod edit] show:

    @glannigan
    Well, I never asked for empathy.
    Look - I really care for this game because it does so many things right. I just think there is wasted potential with a decent offline mode or balancing. Quite frankly there are a lot of posts people wishing for that and saying playing solo isn't enjoyable for them. I am clearly not the only one.

    Try it multiplayer for a week and then come update this post with a new review/insight (good or bad).

    Most of these “people” are just SO insistent on playing this Multiplayer game solo...and well it sucks!

    But they are just being stubborn and refuse to even try it the way it is intended to be played.

    And it’s a shame cause they are only experiencing a “microcosm” of what the game experience can be and they are only experiencing the “Worst” part!

    The “magic” is in the co-op.

  • camping outposts

    someone show me a video clip of people camping outposts. I love to see all these. And I mean actually camping like you “see there ships...you witness them arriving and waiting you out...idk there a few outposts maybe they don’t do them all.

    From everything else, that is a new game for a new player. New experience that most games avoid or never done before.
    But you coming here swearing and acting all bent out of shape just tells me and I’m sure others, this not the best game for you if these little things are an issue.

    32hr and 100k, that isn’t bad most new players don’t even get anything for the first week because they haven’t even figured out voyages. (Honest)

  • @aarocane for what "obvious" reasons?

    they play the game, solo 99% of the time also some of those arent full time, for instance Boxyfresh works as a paramedic on an ambulance if im not mistaking.

    he made a blunt statement "because it is just not enjoyable for solos." and i stated that such a statement is just statisticly wrong, i can point out alot of people who enjoy to solo and thus find it enjoyable, but since its no use just tagging a bunch of people that nobody knows i pointed him towards people he can watch and see how they are having a good time in sot and maybe doing that he can find a way to have fun in it.

  • @wolfeye-rave

    i do , completely , understand you. Most of us have been playing since day one, a lot of us have also played the Alpha's ... In other words , we have grown with this game , we have seen the basics and seen later how Rare expanded it... It's easier to grow along a game instead of come later in the game while it has been grown alot.

    i also do understand that the way most people play is truely bloodthirsty : attack everything that moves or draws breath before they end your own breathing...But... And i would like to underline these words , if i had the knowledge to do so , there are still Pirates that watch your and other persons behaviour...

    We watch how Pirates sail , Pirates that sail with their lights on , stop their ship with the anchor and come to a stop with full sails or the kind of cosmetic of your sails ,all these little things betray if a Pirate or a crew is new... For us , a new crew means two things :Firstly leave them in peace ,but if we see that they spend a very long time on one island , we come ,cautiously closer ... Sometimes , not even one stayed behind to guard the ship and so we jump on shipor island to try to make contact , in order to offer an alliance or even offer help solving riddles , finding treasure or help with Tall Tales...

    We are a minority , nowadays ,but there are still Pirates that also can live and let others live... If we all should create a murderpit on the Sea , then a whole lot would quickly give up on this game... we will never be able to turn a mentality but all we try is , if , we come across New Pirates , to give them the feel that not everyone preys on New Pirates ...

    We will help if you let us and we will try to communicate and hopefully bring a smile on your or your crew's face and no, we are not part of any religious order or cult... We believe that it is important to Embrace the New Pirate than rather kill it without giving them a chance and in the extent of that just kill their fun for this game...

    One Personal thing i would like to ask : If you don't plan on playing this game for a long time then could you please try to solve the Tall Tales... Not for my sake ,i don't get anything in return for asking this , but i do ask this because Mr Chapman's and Mr Preston's riddles , just to name a few , will really test your imagination...They will also be poured over by beautiful graphics , storylines and Music from Mr Beanland , an awardwinning Music Composer ...

    Like said before , you are a Free Spirit but Tall Tales are really great to play as long as you keep an eye for the horizon...

  • @wolfeye-rave said in sea of griefs.. this game is a [Mod edit] show:

    @cotu42 not necessarily.. I am glad there are people who are enjoying it.. It is just not the game for me. Surely it is solo playable with enough experince and know how.
    You know I have a somewhat busy life and I can't find the time grinding every day for hours.
    Don't get me wrong - I really care for this game otherwise I wouldn't have posted in the first place.
    I just think that there are a lot of people feeling the same way I do. In my opinion there is wasted potential. But clearly a lot of people will think different and that is fine.

    You played 32 hours and are facing people that play this game for years... even casuals have hundreds of hours at this point in the game (you realize the game is 3 years old by now right), I am talking about people that log in 1x a week. This isn't a single player game... You know you could simply crew up, there are open crews or LFGs or discord communities and even a forum section to find others that can help you on your adventure - there is no reason to be solo other than your own choice. Many are open for people of all levels to join and casual players themselves... you know people with a life, it is more common than you might believe. You might be shocked to hear that you are not some unicorn, that many pirates out on the seas actually have a somewhat busy life.

    You do not need to grind every day for hours, there is no requirement to log in every single day, grind hours and all that to keep on par with everyone else. Your pirate and your ship will be identical to everyone else's regardless of how often you log in. You can simply learn the game at your own pace, log in when you can and play for as long as you can. If you are planning on playing the game for more than a month, it is worth the investment if you truly cared for the game... also if you are that casual, why are you so bummed out whether or not you sink, isn't it about the game session in and of itself at that point and not how much coin you gathered. Simply take pride in becoming a better pirate.

    If people feel like you, they have a sense of entitlement that is unfounded. You expect to not need to learn the game like everyone else, yet expect to be solo captain masters of the seas... or at least be given a seas on which you could be the king of pirates.

  • @wolfeye-rave said in sea of griefs.. this game is a [Mod edit] show:

    I would say that I have given this game a fair try - 32h of playtime..
    In this 32h i managed to climb to 100k gold - let that sink in... I play solo and enjoy playing solo.. However this game is extremly frustrating as a new player and I can't recommend it to anybody who want's to play solo. You'll get camped at outposts.. Every bigger ship that sees a sloop will go for it and make sure to destroy your game expirience. It has become a pure [Mod edit] show at times. There is actually 0 balancing server wise.. i.e. sloops will only get servers with sloops..
    Players with less expirience get players with equal expirience or something like that.. There are ways to implement balancing - but it seems like the developers don't care about that.
    Surely there are people enjoing going 1v4 - i am not the one willing to grind hundreds of hours just to possibly reach the skill level to be able to do that.

    Tbh I can happily put this game to rest because it is just not enjoyable for solos.

    32 hours sounds like you like speedruning lol anyways try to pratice pvp in arena and they you'll get better and it's not people go for easy targets because that's what pirates did yes i get it's a fanasty game but you know.

  • @wolfeye-rave I play since release...so nearly 3 years and NEVER had an outpost camper, you need to look for mermaids, if there is one, better go to another one
    Anyway, this isn't griefing

  • Solo can and is enjoyable, you just have to outsmart everyone.

    Get to know every system and mechanics in the game, excel at doing them. Know what the other guy will or can do is really the key.

    If you cant, well there's always the LFG tab.

    Just play in a way that you enjoy it. if you can't, perhaps isn't for you.

    hope to see you sailling!

  • @wolfeye-rave playing solo need you to aproach it different imho and fly under the radar, prioritize things different, because there is that other ship etc...
    you can avoid players nearly 100% if you dont do stuff, that distracts you and makes you leave the ship alone for more than 2-3 minutes.
    You need to park where the chance to spot you is less, you need to refuse doing events until you are sure the ships you have seen arent interested or feel the server is calm this day - but still a risk - or journeys like the vaults.
    Its good if you are quick and know the sea, but also islands like the back of your hand.
    What took me 30 minutes searching 2018 is done in under 2 minutes today, because i have dug up so many chests and solved a lot of riddles etc...
    But even me get stucked sometimes and i cannot remember and find it again. Some islands are bigger, you can get lost there faster, you lose sight of your ship , become stubborn searching and miss to watch the horizon and ou of a sudden there is that attacking ship.
    But in reality nobody can appear out of a sudden in SoT if you take care and be cautious.

    the good thing is, nothing really matters but to have fun. you wont miss any significant item or bonus etc...
    Just immerse and do the best you can and dont let others spoil you your pirate life.
    know when you have lost, feel pity with trashtalkers who think they are good at pvp when they stomp you 4:1 or smth. like that :P

    fair winds and have fun - Stun!

    p.s. use your speaking trumpet, it's not a guarantee, but it can do wonders!

  • this post is a bit indicative of how skewed feedback is on this game (and also why we've ended up with a megathread to lock away pve v pvp arguments).
    someone is giving their honest feedback on the game and there are a bunch of people attacking and defending like their paid to do so instead of helping someone find the hidden treasure that is in this game.
    maybe you don't mean to come off as aggressive as it reads, but the start of this thread reads pretty hostile.

    just to break down some of the arguments here:

    32 hours isn't enough time... yeah it is. it most definitely is. if someone has put 32 hours into a game to try it out and they haven't found it fun yet, you can't say "just play a few hundred hours more and then it becomes fun". if you watched a season of some TV show and said "this show isn't for me" the correct response is not "well obviously you need to watch until season 6 before you enjoy it". 32 hours is enough time to finish a lot of games. 32 hours is a good go at trying something out to see if it's worth your commitment. most people would have made up their minds long before this.

    you're too new, you're playing with veterans... i mean this is probably true. a lot of players have been playing for a long time. but if this is a gate to playing the game then there's a big problem as no new blood means that the game will wither and die. and if all the new blood are being scared off by a hostile environment then that will become an issue. not only that but time spent doesn't always equate to skill. it does help learning the ins and outs, but after a point new players should be as comfortable as old players. is the learning curve too steep? then the game needs to address this. if not then what's the point in saying they're too new?

    you're playing it wrong... no. the game allows for single player. if this were playing it wrong then, by allowing it, the game is badly designed. some people are much more helpful and point out that the game is more enjoyable in crews and balances better in crews and that is true. it's also a much less hostile way of getting the point across.
    but if a game allows you to play single player and the people playing single player feel massively disadvantaged then there is a balance issue there. and this has resulted in various changes in the game already as the developers understand that some of their events are far too severe for solo sloopers.

    you just need to team up... the game is definitely better teamed up, but similar to the previous point - the game allows solo play and a lot of new players will start there to test the water before branching wider. also - not everyone is able to get the time to crew up when they have game time. we all have real life responsibilities that can impact our ability to get into a big long session with friends (and those are the most fun sessions). a small skim of this forum also brings up a lot of issues with open crews and sailing with randoms which we all know can be very hit or miss.

    the game can do a lot more to be "new player friendly". originally there wasn't even any intro on how to play. now there's a maiden voyage that at least explains the basics. you can't expect new players to do loads of research on a game to figure out exactly what it is and how to play before they play it. reading the store page is likely the most information a lot of new players will have before trying it out and the game is very much "trial by fire".

    now don't get me wrong: i don't think the game is bad - quite the opposite in fact. i think there are some blind spots that need work. i think that there are a few balance issues that could be addressed. it's come a long way from where it was 3 years ago and now and i'm interested in seeing where it's going.

    but when someone posts honest feedback about their subjective opinion on something the community should be more supportive. at that point it's possible to win back someone on the verge of leaving by offering help and guidelines. this is a game where sometimes you need to be shown where the fun is to dig it up.
    extremely aggressive defence of the game, borderline attacking the OP for an opinion is how you make them nod their head and think "yep. i made the right choice to leave."

    i know most don't mean to come off as so critically harsh, but telling people they're wrong for having a subjective opinion is being aggressive. showing them a different way is being helpful. telling them they're wrong is just going to reinforce their opinion. discussing their opinion with them may open them up to understanding why your opinion is different. you're not always going to convince people, but sometimes they'll see things your way if you show them. they certainly won't see things your way if you just shout at them.

    i'm glad i didn't find this forum until after i'd been playing the game for a bit because this place can be pretty unfriendly if you say the wrong thing.

    to the OP: thanks for your post. i do hope that you give the game another go, especially with the new seasons releasing soon. it sounds like they have a much more goal oriented approach that rewards smaller bursts of playtime and might be more interesting to a solo sloop approach to the game. i understand your frustrations with the game (i often play solo and know how harsh it is sometimes) and wish i could point you to some good guides or tips & tricks. hopefully someone here can if you're still interested.
    if you do manage to get a group playing i'd also suggest giving it a go with friends. even 2 people on a sloop makes such a big difference to the game, even if it's just background something to do while a couple of buds have a beer and shoot the breeze. and if those friends have gamepass it doesn't cost them anything to try it.
    but i also appreciate that sometimes some games are just not your thing. if you have any major points of frustration that you can identify and expand on, or any suggestions that would have eased you into the game more then i'm sure Rare would love the feedback, and the more detailed you can be the better.

    either way, i hope you have fun gaming, whatever you choose to play

  • @quixoticrocket said in sea of griefs.. this game is a [Mod edit] show:

    this post is a bit indicative of how skewed feedback is on this game (and also why we've ended up with a megathread to lock away pve v pvp arguments).
    someone is giving their honest feedback on the game and there are a bunch of people attacking and defending like their paid to do so instead of helping someone find the hidden treasure that is in this game.
    maybe you don't mean to come off as aggressive as it reads, but the start of this thread reads pretty hostile.

    just to break down some of the arguments here:

    32 hours isn't enough time... yeah it is. it most definitely is. if someone has put 32 hours into a game to try it out and they haven't found it fun yet, you can't say "just play a few hundred hours more and then it becomes fun". if you watched a season of some TV show and said "this show isn't for me" the correct response is not "well obviously you need to watch until season 6 before you enjoy it". 32 hours is enough time to finish a lot of games. 32 hours is a good go at trying something out to see if it's worth your commitment. most people would have made up their minds long before this.

    you're too new, you're playing with veterans... i mean this is probably true. a lot of players have been playing for a long time. but if this is a gate to playing the game then there's a big problem as no new blood means that the game will wither and die. and if all the new blood are being scared off by a hostile environment then that will become an issue. not only that but time spent doesn't always equate to skill. it does help learning the ins and outs, but after a point new players should be as comfortable as old players. is the learning curve too steep? then the game needs to address this. if not then what's the point in saying they're too new?

    you're playing it wrong... no. the game allows for single player. if this were playing it wrong then, by allowing it, the game is badly designed. some people are much more helpful and point out that the game is more enjoyable in crews and balances better in crews and that is true. it's also a much less hostile way of getting the point across.
    but if a game allows you to play single player and the people playing single player feel massively disadvantaged then there is a balance issue there. and this has resulted in various changes in the game already as the developers understand that some of their events are far too severe for solo sloopers.

    you just need to team up... the game is definitely better teamed up, but similar to the previous point - the game allows solo play and a lot of new players will start there to test the water before branching wider. also - not everyone is able to get the time to crew up when they have game time. we all have real life responsibilities that can impact our ability to get into a big long session with friends (and those are the most fun sessions). a small skim of this forum also brings up a lot of issues with open crews and sailing with randoms which we all know can be very hit or miss.

    the game can do a lot more to be "new player friendly". originally there wasn't even any intro on how to play. now there's a maiden voyage that at least explains the basics. you can't expect new players to do loads of research on a game to figure out exactly what it is and how to play before they play it. reading the store page is likely the most information a lot of new players will have before trying it out and the game is very much "trial by fire".

    now don't get me wrong: i don't think the game is bad - quite the opposite in fact. i think there are some blind spots that need work. i think that there are a few balance issues that could be addressed. it's come a long way from where it was 3 years ago and now and i'm interested in seeing where it's going.

    but when someone posts honest feedback about their subjective opinion on something the community should be more supportive. at that point it's possible to win back someone on the verge of leaving by offering help and guidelines. this is a game where sometimes you need to be shown where the fun is to dig it up.
    extremely aggressive defence of the game, borderline attacking the OP for an opinion is how you make them nod their head and think "yep. i made the right choice to leave."

    i know most don't mean to come off as so critically harsh, but telling people they're wrong for having a subjective opinion is being aggressive. showing them a different way is being helpful. telling them they're wrong is just going to reinforce their opinion. discussing their opinion with them may open them up to understanding why your opinion is different. you're not always going to convince people, but sometimes they'll see things your way if you show them. they certainly won't see things your way if you just shout at them.

    i'm glad i didn't find this forum until after i'd been playing the game for a bit because this place can be pretty unfriendly if you say the wrong thing.

    to the OP: thanks for your post. i do hope that you give the game another go, especially with the new seasons releasing soon. it sounds like they have a much more goal oriented approach that rewards smaller bursts of playtime and might be more interesting to a solo sloop approach to the game. i understand your frustrations with the game (i often play solo and know how harsh it is sometimes) and wish i could point you to some good guides or tips & tricks. hopefully someone here can if you're still interested.
    if you do manage to get a group playing i'd also suggest giving it a go with friends. even 2 people on a sloop makes such a big difference to the game, even if it's just background something to do while a couple of buds have a beer and shoot the breeze. and if those friends have gamepass it doesn't cost them anything to try it.
    but i also appreciate that sometimes some games are just not your thing. if you have any major points of frustration that you can identify and expand on, or any suggestions that would have eased you into the game more then i'm sure Rare would love the feedback, and the more detailed you can be the better.

    either way, i hope you have fun gaming, whatever you choose to play

    this forum didn't used to be unfriendly it's because of one thing buthurt people who like to take their
    rage out on other people they don't know on the internet yes i get why they do it maiden voyage could be reworked to help with the learning curve and yes this is a game were you have to play for more than a hundred hours and rare could do something about the toxic streamers but they chose not to and rare should reward the og players with stuff and not rely so heavily on the streamers wrought done -Hare.

  • @mttprimo said in sea of griefs.. this game is a [Mod edit] show:

    Solo can and is enjoyable, you just have to outsmart everyone.

    Get to know every system and mechanics in the game, excel at doing them. Know what the other guy will or can do is really the key.

    If you cant, well there's always the LFG tab.

    Just play in a way that you enjoy it. if you can't, perhaps isn't for you.

    hope to see you sailling!

    or op could use discord as well

  • @closinghare208 @QuixoticRocket

    Hare is so right here.
    The TS also vented a little against everyone when we are not all empathless murder hobos.
    The community problems are exagerating gamers gaming Systems, streamers or yt'ers who like to show off others , using exploits and bragg all day how good they are and how bad the opponent is.
    Toxicity in 2020/21 in the internet or even long ago is not to tilt and become mad for 3seconds because you lost and even not to vent some bad word's.
    The real toxicity lies beneath and is hidden well masked as just beeing better and such. I just saw an analysis from the film the pursuit of hapiness with Will Smith from 2006 and this is so much elitist and toxic in a way it's unbelievable.
    But i dont want to become ot.
    Meritocracy aproach and the elitism about gaming due to streaming and advertising and such are the causes for this and of cause a majority believing and following these gamers and gamestyles.
    Whenever i watch a Streamer its about i'm so good and those are so dumb, bad, unskilled...
    And i dont watch it and even dont fall for Twitch Drops anymore .

    The Game would and could even with open PvP be a good placed for social experiences and interactions , it could be a place where people fight , but laugh and more of a Mario Kart competition than a serious esport competition that lacks sportmanship.

    But like Hare said the support for questionable streamers , Arena and not beeing brave and take the exploitable tools away to dominate others and do some maybe unpopular but right decisions that would have and still would spoil the game for unsportive, toxic trashtalking, derogative and empathless gamers gaming the system is what gives us these posts and Rare more money.

    Thing is most gamers dont care for their fellow players or a social experience, but instead "hate them".
    And some kids and also so called grown ups like to rip of butterflys wings, laugh and tell you its funny, isn't it?
    Exageration about games and trying to compensate the lack of love.
    There is a German Band , i dont like but a Song from 90ies iirc has a good title.
    A...ole... just a silent cry for love.
    Some crawl away, others payback.

  • @stundorn said in sea of griefs.. this game is a [Mod edit] show:

    @closinghare208 @QuixoticRocket

    Hare is so right here.
    The TS also vented a little against everyone when we are not all empathless murder hobos.
    The community problems are exagerating gamers gaming Systems, streamers or yt'ers who like to show off others , using exploits and bragg all day how good they are and how bad the opponent is.
    Toxicity in 2020/21 in the internet or even long ago is not to tilt and become mad for 3seconds because you lost and even not to vent some bad word's.
    The real toxicity lies beneath and is hidden well masked as just beeing better and such. I just saw an analysis from the film the pursuit of hapiness with Will Smith from 2006 and this is so much elitist and toxic in a way it's unbelievable.
    But i dont want to become ot.
    Meritocracy aproach and the elitism about gaming due to streaming and advertising and such are the causes for this and of cause a majority believing and following these gamers and gamestyles.
    Whenever i watch a Streamer its about i'm so good and those are so dumb, bad, unskilled...
    And i dont watch it and even dont fall for Twitch Drops anymore .

    The Game would and could even with open PvP be a good placed for social experiences and interactions , it could be a place where people fight , but laugh and more of a Mario Kart competition than a serious esport competition that lacks sportmanship.

    But like Hare said the support for questionable streamers , Arena and not beeing brave and take the exploitable tools away to dominate others and do some maybe unpopular but right decisions that would have and still would spoil the game for unsportive, toxic trashtalking, derogative and empathless gamers gaming the system is what gives us these posts and Rare more money.

    Thing is most gamers dont care for their fellow players or a social experience, but instead "hate them".
    And some kids and also so called grown ups like to rip of butterflys wings, laugh and tell you its funny, isn't it?
    Exageration about games and trying to compensate the lack of love.
    There is a German Band , i dont like but a Song from 90ies iirc has a good title.
    A...ole... just a silent cry for love.
    Some crawl away, others payback.

    yes

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