Something needs to be done about the trolls.

@admiral-tweedle said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@imn0tacop Didn't you read my post?

They're even seeping into your forums now. This is very poor community management from devs who act like they're so active in their community.
Really shaping up to be worse than a No Man's Sky 2.0

@imn0tacop said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@admiral-tweedle said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@imn0tacop Didn't you read my post?

They're even seeping into your forums now. This is very poor community management from devs who act like they're so active in their community.
Really shaping up to be worse than a No Man's Sky 2.0

sounds like someone is not enjoying their game time...

@vin-delanos People join, do the basic "act stupid and be annoying" 4chan kinda trolling, and also try to sink your ship, stop your ship, annoy you with game mechanics, throw your loot off the ship.
My problem is with the matchmaking, lack of a ban/kick system, and other basic game design stuff that have somehow been overlooked.

I'm not just some scrub crying because I lost in PVP, I'm talking about an ongoing issue caused by the game-devs.

@th3xr34p3r Having to join a third party (discord) or go through the same issue with toxic players on LFG does not solve this problem, it only pushes it on to the player.

As far as the devs go, if this is their solution too than that's an even bigger disappointment than anything else so far. Telling your player base (who paid you $60 or more) that it's their own fault and that "we don't have any responsibility for your poor experience playing our game" is the quickest way to isolate and kill your game.

While it may be an okay fix for some, it does not, at all, solve the issue; it only throws a scape-goat in front of it.

@imn0tacop said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@th3xr34p3r Having to join a third party (discord) or go through the same issue with toxic players on LFG does not solve this problem, it only pushes it on to the player.

As far as the devs go, if this is their solution too than that's an even bigger disappointment than anything else so far. Telling your player base (who paid you $60 or more) that it's their own fault and that "we don't have any responsibility for your poor experience playing our game" is the quickest way to isolate and kill your game.

While it may be an okay fix for some, it does not, at all, solve the issue; it only throws a scape-goat in front of it.

The discord is actually a good idea. I never play with randoms and yes Rare isn't responsible for your poor experience. Not saying you're doing it wrong but you're leaving your experience to chance. Sometimes you get s**t players, sometimes you get great players. It's how it works in every team based game when you matchmake.

@sawhix "rare isn't responsible for their game."

Yeah they are. They made it.

And yes, these things are fine, and I do use them, but sometimes it's easier just to jump in, and most players are going to play that way, not how you do.

These are NOT replacements for fixing the issue. They're band-aids, and nothing more.

@imn0tacop said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@sawhix "rare isn't responsible for their game."

Yeah they are. They made it.

And yes, these things are fine, and I do use them, but sometimes it's easier just to jump in, and most players are going to play that way, not how you do.

These are NOT replacements for fixing the issue. They're band-aids, and nothing more.

Yes they gave you the tools to play with random people and you get exactly that, random people. The quality of the people that bought their game isn't their fault.

@sawhix And every other matchmaking system has tools in place to fight against griefing, hacking, and so on. So your "it's not perfect in any matchmaking system" argument is already null when Rare is complicit in allowing these issues to happen with no way to actually fight against it. Even their lazy brig idea is used to troll.

@imn0tacop said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@sawhix And every other matchmaking system has tools in place to fight against griefing, hacking, and so on. So your "it's not perfect in any matchmaking system" argument is already null when Rare is complicit in allowing these issues to happen with no way to actually fight against it. Even their lazy brig idea is used to troll.

Griefing is not solved by changing matchmaking nor is hacking. Griefing is solved by game mechanics which would mean changing the whole idea of the game and tbh that would make it less fun for me and hacking, we all know how that is fixed.
Edit: Brig is awesome, you get treasure for doing nothing!

@sawhix said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@imn0tacop said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@sawhix "rare isn't responsible for their game."

Yeah they are. They made it.

And yes, these things are fine, and I do use them, but sometimes it's easier just to jump in, and most players are going to play that way, not how you do.

These are NOT replacements for fixing the issue. They're band-aids, and nothing more.

Yes they gave you the tools to play with random people and you get exactly that, random people. The quality of the people that bought their game isn't their fault.

@sawhix said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@imn0tacop said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@sawhix "rare isn't responsible for their game."

Yeah they are. They made it.

And yes, these things are fine, and I do use them, but sometimes it's easier just to jump in, and most players are going to play that way, not how you do.

These are NOT replacements for fixing the issue. They're band-aids, and nothing more.

Yes they gave you the tools to play with random people and you get exactly that, random people. The quality of the people that bought their game isn't their fault.

It is their fault when they have no banning system. No kicking system. No anti-hacking system for a PC GAME. and rely solely on these third-party fixes to nullify the issue instead of putting work in themselves.

@imn0tacop said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@sawhix said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@imn0tacop said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@sawhix "rare isn't responsible for their game."

Yeah they are. They made it.

And yes, these things are fine, and I do use them, but sometimes it's easier just to jump in, and most players are going to play that way, not how you do.

These are NOT replacements for fixing the issue. They're band-aids, and nothing more.

Yes they gave you the tools to play with random people and you get exactly that, random people. The quality of the people that bought their game isn't their fault.

@sawhix said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@imn0tacop said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@sawhix "rare isn't responsible for their game."

Yeah they are. They made it.

And yes, these things are fine, and I do use them, but sometimes it's easier just to jump in, and most players are going to play that way, not how you do.

These are NOT replacements for fixing the issue. They're band-aids, and nothing more.

Yes they gave you the tools to play with random people and you get exactly that, random people. The quality of the people that bought their game isn't their fault.

It is their fault when they have no banning system. No kicking system. No anti-hacking system for a PC GAME. and rely solely on these third-party fixes to nullify the issue instead of putting work in themselves.

Well let's imagine a kicking system, you help me get a fort, then me and my friends kick you out so you don't get anything. Working as intended right?
As far as hacking goes, your OP was about trolls, they are working on banning hackers so don't worry about that.

@sawhix YOu clearly have zero clue about even the most basic game design if you really think figuring out that a person in west coast America shouldn't be queued with a dude from France isn't a matchmaking issue.

@imn0tacop said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@sawhix YOu clearly have zero clue about even the most basic game design if you really think figuring out that a person in west coast America shouldn't be queued with a dude from France isn't a matchmaking issue.

What does that have anything to do with trolls? I agree they need to matchmake by language and mic availability which is what they said they were already working on doing. You are deviating from your OP just to not shut up. You really don't have a point do you?

@sawhix Then you add a reporting system for when that happens. Ping who's in the crew during the find for the treasure and who's in the crew for when it gets turned in, and ban the people who misused the system.

What's that thing CSGO does when people misuse their kicking system and over-kick people? Oh yeah, they temp ban you automatically. That system would make even more sense here since there's a brig.

@sawhix I'm addressing what you say to me. Would you rather I strawman all your arguments? Would that make things easier for you?

@imn0tacop said in Something needs to be done about the trolls.:

@sawhix I'm addressing what you say to me. Would you rather I strawman all your arguments? Would that make things easier for you?

Not gonna bother replying anymore, you clearly came here for attention with no valid point.

@sawhix The person who shuts down the discussion typically doesn't want to admit to being wrong.

@sawhix And sorry I was harsh on you. I did throw a few ad hominems in there that I shouldn't have, but your claim that it makes me wrong and not serving a point when I'm honestly just upset about the fact that it's even an issue and showing a bit more passion for the subject than you like is absolutely ridiculous and shows a weaker character in full.

It doesn't prove you right. All it proves is that you got mad and ran away from the issue.

@luciansanchez82 If as a playet you are fast enough to catch the ID of the griefer this might work. In reality for those less dextrous or experienced it crushes the game completely.

Rare have provided no skill training grounds and do nothing as far as I can see to balance out the effectiveness of any conflict. Simply punting the 'griefed' crew further off is pathetic.

@luciansanchez82 You could make it so you can only report players in your crew. Other ships are supposed to mess with you: they're pirates. But a report button in the list with mute and "vote to put in brig" would actually be a great idea, I think, and wouldn't (at least I don't see how) have the effect that you're talking about.

Maybe a few people would report their friends, or the trolls would report a random, but the first would be pretty rare, and the latter could just backfire and get the false reporters banned for griefing, especially if there was a 5-10 minute recording of the game previous to the report for review.

@buck-luny I do use those. My argument is that Rare shouldn't rely on it to fix the issue for them. The fact that most of the conversation is that there are issues here, and the only argument I've seen against this is "I personally like this other company that does it better" says a lot about where the consensus really lies.

You can't fix a broken arm with a band-aid.

@luciansanchez82 Fair points. I am not up with how to DVR play to do that. I recognise I am not as skilled or fast as many xbox game players.

The community spirit we have tried is not easy to get going and the one time we got people on an island with us they didn't want to play music, drink grog or interact. Whether people are shy or what of speaking I don't know. I guess as a family we had hoped for a 'pirates of the caribean' type fun family entertainment with battles and treasure hunts that we could gradually progress in. Sadly it hasn't turned out like that.

@buck-luny ANd, by the way. I do have some issues with those other platforms, but all of them are due to my lack of knowledge on how to use them because I've never needed to go elsewhere for a game before this one.
My issues with those platforms (such as LFG) are based entirely on my ignorance on the use of them, so I don't have any complaints about what they need to fix.

My says Rare needs to fix stuff isn't because I just need to know how to use their system better, I can't learn how to use features that aren't there.

There's a different between finding our own solution for the issue and making the game better. We're not just talking about "my problem" since the majority of people here share my feelings on the issue. If you've spent even a minute online, you should know that that doesn't just come from empathy.

Try stepping back from yourself for a moment and realize that you aren't the only one playing the game -- that your personal fix doesn't solve the macro issue, and your response only serves yourself.