Persistent Rocking Sensation After Playing SoT

  • Hey there folks,

    During the closed beta I made a topic where I did some really light research into Simulation Sickness because I was feeling ill while playing the game for extended periods of time.

    However, now I am still feeling those symptoms days after having played. When I wake up I find it much more difficult to get my footing and tend to wobble a bit. I've noticed my head has been swaying very lightly and if I take a walk and then sit down I can feel a swaying sensation starting from my head and going down my body. It feels like I'm on a boat and I have some nausea. I've found it more difficult to eat because of the nausea and rocking, so I've sort of inadvertently changed and cut down my diet to avoid things that may make me feel like vomiting. I also feel a bit dizzy and this goes on throughout my day and has been going on for the last few days (whenever the beta ended).

    I looked it up and apparently this is common with people who go on boats or cruises and it can take from a minute to several days for people's brains to forget the "model" of standing on a boat. Normally people return to normal very quickly after getting off the boat, but for a very select few it can never go away (apparently?).

    My sensation of swaying or rocking hasn't subsided at all yet, I actually think it's gotten a bit more noticeable. Upon doing some reading on the subject, in real-life scenarios it's called "mal de debarquement" and it relates to the internal model that your brain creates of the boat or moving platform you were on. People with mal de debarquement can have it for years, but it's extremely rare (in fact a Dr. Hain found it difficult to even find 26 patients for a study who had this condition!). I don't think I have mal de debarquement or anything, at least not yet lol, but I found it really interesting because I've been sailing before and never had this feeling for so long after. I couldn't find anything on this phenomenon in regards to Simulation Sickness in particular so I just assume it's not been researched very much yet because there's very few cases to draw upon that branch both conditions.

    I was mostly wondering if anyone else felt this way after playing? At first I thought it was just the minor adjustments of having played SoT for long periods of time but maybe it's something else? I've noticed it get much much worse with things like caffeine and tobacco, it makes the swaying MUCH too intense for me. The closest thing I can think that it compares to is what people call "The Sways" when they take a lot of marijuana or smoke too much tobacco.

    I don't have vertigo or anything like that, and this could all just be in my head (which, according to research, it is in your head duh blurg) but I'd love to have a discussion with anyone else who has had this feeling after having played the game. I just think it's super interesting and idk how realistic it is to keep playing SoT if this continues each time I play. Maybe I just need my "virtual sea legs" but because there's so little written about this (that I could find, at least. I'm not a professional in any of this) I'd appreciate any discussion on the topic. I haven't done a lot of research on this myself, but because it's impacting my daily life I figured maybe someone else here knows something I don't.

    Cheers.

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  • @dr-farce I haven't had this particular experience, but there were times (in this game and a few others) that I found myself having to temporarily look away to keep from getting nauseated. I'm impressed by this. Not only does the game look great, but causes real sea sickness!... All joking aside, I'm sorry for your experience. I wonder if taking ginger, or Dramamine in the future would help?

  • @dr-farce
    The only thing I've had slightly relating to this is getting some quick bursts of vertigo when I first started testing the game. I got it sometimes if I was daydreaming while on the ship then focusing in and getting a little dizzy. I also had a bit of random vertigo after a few times, when I had played actively for many hours; the vertigo appearing a few days later. I've actually had this from a few games before so it's not just Sea of thieves.
    After increasing the FOV to max ( as zoomed out as possible) I haven't had this problem.
    Have you thought about going to see a doctor, I know you've done a lot of research but it could be a good idea, they may be able to do some tests or something :) I hope it all sorts out for you and you're able to get back to feeling better soon.

  • I know the feeling you're talking about. I get it after kayaking for any amount of time, and it takes a day for it to disappear. I haven't really gotten it from the game though. Maybe just a difference in tolerance?

  • @fullmetaljakee That's very interesting! What other games do you get the vertigo with? Maybe we can pinpoint some mechanic that might be a blanket trigger. I also changed my FOV in SoT and that helped a fair amount while I was playing, I also squinted a lot and would look out my window frequently and all of that helped.

    I don't have much money so I don't think going to a doctor is necessary just yet :) but if I flat out can't function of course I'll make an appointment.

    @ShadowStrider-7 I've been taking dramamine but I ran out towards the end of the closed beta and I didn't take any ginger but I was planning on taking some when the game came out (used to stock up on gingerale for VR game sessions lol)

    When the game comes out I'll be definitely doing some experiments with different things and making a big post about it or maybe a youtube video.

    It's weird, like right now I'm looking out my window and I can visibly see a sway in my vision as if I'm on a boat, but I know it's my head moving. My balance is a bit off. I tried exercising and seeing if that helped but it made it worse. hmmm.

    If anyone has any other games they experience vertigo-like symptoms please post them and I'll do some digging, I've only starting looking into this :) Thanks for the input!

  • @dr-farce Sea of Thieves and Elite:Dangerous were the biggest contenders for my nausea.

    Were your play sessions for long periods of time? Have you ever been diagnosed with Epilepsy? Is it only this game? I'm not a doctor, but I used to be a 68 Whiskey. I know a little bit about a lot of things, haha.

  • @apocacide Combat Medic Specialist (68W). Were you 11B!?

  • @shadowstrider-7 I played Elite: Dangerous too, but I didn't feel anything bad when I played it, just the "burps" from the regular VR experience that I felt with every VR game the first few days.

    My play sessions started very long, but when I began to feel sick I cut it down to short bursts of play (~15 - 45 minutes I think? I can't be sure exactly) then I'd take a break and maybe pick up later on in the day, playing roughly 3 sessions on a free day (I'm estimating).

    I've never been diagnosed with epilepsy or anything similar to it. And yea this is the only game I've experienced these symptoms with. I did experience some burping and eye soreness when playing VR games and general nausea when I first got it, but that subsided very quickly and I never felt it out of the gaming experience itself (which is surprising since VR takes such strong hold of your auditory and visual).

    In Elite: Dangerous I know there is sway in the ship as you pilot it, so maybe that swaying is similar to the swaying of the ships in SoT and that could be a trigger? To be fair I only played Elite: Dangerous for about a week , but I didn't feel anything rough when playing it.

  • Hell I thought that was just withdrawl symptoms from the closing of beta

  • @dr-farce my nausea with Elite:Dangerous only happens when I fly in a ship-launched fighter with Flight-Assist off and I crash into something (or something crashes into me) causing the most uncontrollable spin ever! The spinning and rapid movements on the screen are the direct cause of nausea for me.
    In Sea of Thieves, my nausea came from drinking grog while sailing, or carrying a 1000 Grogs chest. Other than that, I had no further issues.

    When did you notice the issues starting for you?

  • @shadowstrider-7 Issues for me started after day 1 of the closed beta with things like: sailing a solo ship, drinking grog, the grog chests, etc. Anytime I was on a boat it felt awful. Being on land was totally fine, but I can totally relate to the grog stuff, grog is definitely the worst feeling one and I just had to flat out avoid it the rest of the time. If there were grog chests I squinted as much as possible and looked out my window (irl)

    The out-of-game dizziness and nausea I didn't notice until maybe the second day, but even then it was not very noticeable. I only started to take major notice of it on the last day of the closed beta as it felt more pronounced by then and I had trouble getting up out of my chair properly without feeling unbalanced

    Being below deck on a galleon helped to alleviate the nausea and overall sick feeling for sure.

    I remember that spinning in Elite: Dangerous I can totally see how that can create nausea, I don't recall playing enough to have experienced too many crashes like that myself though.

  • @dr-farce Have you tried taking Ginger Root Extract? It works wonders and is typically cheaper than Dramamine. I'm not sure of your financials, but it's super cheap to acquire and in generous supply. I highly recommend that you visit a doctor/clinic if the problems persist for more than 3-5 days. Other than that, my best advice would be to try and recreate the symptoms upon launch so that you know what to avoid. I for one will be partaking in far less grog!

  • @dr-farce
    The games that I can remember that have given me vertigo have been:
    Call of duty, I can't remember which ones as I haven't played them for a while, this is most likely because I always played on Max sensitivity so I would be spinning around a lot, so after my eyes adjusting to such fast movement, it would take me a while to get balanced again. This was only with long game sessions though.

    Ark survival evolved; again, a first person game, with a lot of different environments, clustered jungles and similar things, running through densely overgrown areas for a while and quickly mining/ moving around and generally turning a lot would do the same as what I said for Call of duty, again, really long game sessions did it.

    Another one I can think of is Zelda Breath of the wild, in handheld mode. I think this is purely due to the vast amount of hours I would play in single sessions, and having my eyes struggle on the smaller and less clear Portable screen. I actually felt slightly nauseas after playing 8hours+ sessions on this, along with bursts of vertigo with lasting effects.

    I don't generally play really really long gaming sessions anymore due to not having the time, so it's hard to tell whether there are other games I'd get it from.
    If I can think of any others, I will let you know.

  • @shadowstrider-7 I'll definitely be getting the ginger then! Thanks for all the advice :) this has been very helpful

  • @dr-farce Thanks to you as well. I learned a bit here today also! Hope you feel better soon and hope to see you back on the seas come March!

  • You have a vestibular problem and it sucks let me tell you. What had most likely happened is the balance system in your middle ear had been gradually degrading and your brain has been compensating for it without you noticing much.

    Playing the game for long periods of time has caused your brain to think that the ship deck is the new normal.

    There are head movement exercises your can do to help your brain readjust to what is really normal.

    One I would suggest is standing flat against a wall and looking at a fixed point across the room. This is to let your brain learn what normal is again. You might want to see your doctor about vestibular rehabilitation if you can. Otherwise Google is your friend for finding the exercises you can do to help.

    Walking is also good to do, if you can manage it going on walks will help your brain relearn as well. However if your condition is really bad you may need to start with eye movements only and work towards that.

    Sometimes I won't feel any motion at all and I'll just feel a little light headed and have this annoying pain in my neck. The neck aches are because it's tired from trying to compensate for the movement that isn't happening.

    I've had these issues on and off for years and watching Sea of Thieves on Twitch was difficult to even look at in the beginning but I eventually got used to it and looking away from the screen from time to time.

    I don't think people with a normally functioning vestibular system has a lot to worry about. However I have heard of sailors getting land sick. Which might be similar to what you're experiencing.

    Also, caffeine and nicotine are definitely things to avoid, the other one to avoid is sodium.

  • @shadowstrider-7 said in Persistent Rocking Sensation After Playing SoT:

    @dr-farce I haven't had this particular experience, but there were times (in this game and a few others) that I found myself having to temporarily look away to keep from getting nauseated. I'm impressed by this. Not only does the game look great, but causes real sea sickness!... All joking aside, I'm sorry for your experience. I wonder if taking ginger, or Dramamine in the future would help?

    Ginger helps settle the stomach, Dramamine might help but the other over the counter vestibular suppressant to try is called meclizine. In all the years I've had to deal with this none of it has helped.

    However the one thing that did help is Valium. When I am horribly dizzy and can any stand it I'll take 5mg if Valium and it takes the edge off. Being a vestibular suppressant, an anti anxiety drug, and a muscle relaxant. Somehow it has helped me a lot. However I don't want my brain to form a chemical dependency on it so most often I just tough it out.

  • @casesugar401098 Damn, if it gets worse I'll go see my doctor. Is this a common thing that people stay unaware of for a long time?

  • Rrrrr need to get tho's sea legs mate!

    Ive always figured motion sickness was in the head as the body can clearly handle constant motion.
    But to make yourself sick after the fact with the same condition when you were never in motion?
    Maybe all the rum is gone?

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  • @dr-farce said in Persistent Rocking Sensation After Playing SoT:

    @casesugar401098 Damn, if it gets worse I'll go see my doctor. Is this a common thing that people stay unaware of for a long time?

    I don't know, I'm really just speciating. I've lived with vestibular problems most my life so a lot of it feels normal to me.

  • Hmm , this is serious , I suggest you see your doctor
    and perhaps he/she'll have an idea of what to do.
    Hang in there!

  • @apocacide said in Persistent Rocking Sensation After Playing SoT:

    i got a herbal remedy better than of that mess

    Herbal stuff has never done anything to help me. But I'd be curious of you'd like to share your recipe.

  • So I think I figured out me remedy:

    I slept in as perfect a position on my side last night as I could. In the morning I stood outside with my back against my houses wall and stared straight ahead of me into the trees and ground. I stood there until I felt walking had no more rocking. I also hydrated a lot and ate a big breakfast. This helped immensely. A user had privately messaged me saying that sometimes sailors recommend leaning your back against the back of a ship so I got the idea from that.

    Also apparently I had a cold the last few days so that could have been making the dizziness and stuff worse than it would have been otherwise.

    Anyways, it's much improved now! I still feel slightly wonky but a smaller percent so I'd say it's getting better.

    So if anyone has similar issues maybe try this?

  • I'm feeling dizzy because I can't play SOT right now, maybe it's the same for you.

  • @pierolivierqc said in Persistent Rocking Sensation After Playing SoT:

    I'm feeling dizzy because I can't play SOT right now, maybe it's the same for you.

    Here here!

  • @apocacide said in Persistent Rocking Sensation After Playing SoT:

    @casesugar401098 said in Persistent Rocking Sensation After Playing SoT:

    @apocacide said in Persistent Rocking Sensation After Playing SoT:

    i got a herbal remedy better than of that mess

    Herbal stuff has never done anything to help me. But I'd be curious of you'd like to share your recipe.

    well, it's kinda hard to get, ya gotta 'know a guy'

    Oh yeah, I'm in California, that stuff is legal here. But it makes my dizziness so bad that I can't walk for two months.

  • @dr-farce

    Oh yeah if you've had a cold that could cause it. Your sinuses and eustachian tubes can effect your ears that way

  • Ah didn't see the VR comments lol, ignore my previous post.

    I haven't experienced any symptoms myself, but I definitely find that very strange and interesting! Crazy how the mind works :)

  • @dr-farce Go to the Doctor, according to webmd, this could be brain cancer. But seriously, get yourself checked.

  • @dr-farce
    Finally someone else with the same problem.
    Sat here at working with my screens rocking back and forth.
    Only played in periods of an hour or two also.

    Just makes me wanna get back to the waves.. :)

  • @pierolivierqc sagte in Persistent Rocking Sensation After Playing SoT:

    I'm feeling dizzy because I can't play SOT right now, maybe it's the same for you.

    This :D

  • I haven't experienced this again since launch. My game sessions are currently all on galleons and we play 1-3 hrs a session every 2-3 days.

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