I was really disappointed with todays update. I just spent the last 4-6 weeks grinding out Phantom/skeleton kills, scatter shots, and bone callers for the war chest tab. I literally spent hours upon hours specifically farming scattershots and bone callers, and got most of it done. Now Rare completely nerfed it, and everything i just did was for nothing. Horns, I totally understand. getting 250 of them was gonna be a long haul. i had gone to hundreds of shipwrecks and only found 14. bone callers, meh, ok spawn rate of bone callers were pretty low. nerf to 100 seemed reasonable. But nerfing all the kills from 1000, to 100(or 150 whatever it is) carrying the loot via harpoon, shark kills. It was completely nerfed with the sole purpose to accommodate casuals. We were enjoying the long grind of it. it was like shrouded spoils or arena and having the ability to have something to show for it.....but Rare just completely took that away from all of us. I even purchased this seasons plunder pass because Rare finally came through and gave a good update, and just like that its gone now......... I will no longer buy anything from the emporium.
Latest Update/Nerf
@clammyhuevos I felt like i actually had something to grind for again since the veils update in athena or the Arena Sea Dogs. Feels like i just wasted all my time just for it to be given to everyone. Might be taking another break from the game after that grinding since apparently im grade 5 in everything now.
@clammyhuevos How is/was it a 'long grind' if you can cheese through it in a few hours?
That aside, the player base is not just simply divided into 'Casuals' and 'Grinders', those are the two opposite points in a Bell Curve.
The majority of players fall into the middle of both/neither, much the same as some folks who often argue that the game is catering to PvP or PvE players, again, in reality, these are the two extremes and the majority fall in the middle.
"everything i just did was for nothing"
Did you not earn the Commendations? Someone else earning the Commendations does not mean that you didn't or diminish it in any way.
Gotta do what you love to do in this game because they are gonna do what they are gonna do and if you don't have a foundation of "I love doing this" or "this is rewarding to me" then it'll pretty much always end up in disappointment.
I went through overview stats getting tossed, captaincy nerfs, years of major meg bugs and I'm still out there hunting those megs. Do it because it's what I enjoy, I turned it into a rewarding style of play.
That's why I did the warchest comms. Wolf sails are cool but I wouldn't have done it unless it was compatible with how I play. I still killed megs and krakens and sunk skelly ships and encountered other players the entire time.
I think it's fair to criticize decisions but it's not new, this game is a lot of fun but it's also not a consistent ride, not even a little bit.
This experience got a lot more enjoyable for me when I stopped doing what I didn't wanna do, had to break my "do it all" habit. I'm way happier for it on the seas.
Everyone has their moment of "I've had enough" It was close for me in season 7 but where I really had to make a decision was Hourglass. That content is the exact opposite of how I play and how I view this game so that was my moment of "It's over". I got in my piratical golf cart and now I just play like a retired pirate. I have a lot more fun now and I've mastered "chill" on the seas.
@look-behind-you How do you cheese moving one piece of loot at a time 1000 times? Or how do i force spawn 500 keg skellys? Cause that wasnt cheesed lol. I have the same commendation that i did TEN times the amount of work for, than someone who just started for nothing to show for it. Thats whats frustrating about it.
@look-behind-you i understand that the majority of the players fall into the middle, and i wouldnt have been that upset if you nerfed it a little, but you nerfed it A LOT! there really isnt anything nowadays that distinguish new players from OG's if they can just grind for a few hours and achieve the same commendation as everyone else. Please stop catering to Casuals.
@clammyhuevos I didn't nerf anything, I am just a Mod and a player. I have no influence over the game and its design.
I have played since April 2017 (if you include the Alpha) there are several things that distinguish 'OGs' from new players. There have been numerous events and time-limited cosmetics that someone starting today have no chance of getting.
Again, it is not "catering to Casuals" but to the majority of the player base.
@look-behind-you the majority of the player base is casuals. well technically the majority of the player base are day 1er's who sail around with no purpose or reason. The point I'm trying to make is that i just spent 60-80 hours grinding all this and now it can be done in 2....... I'm not going to get that time back, because Rare wanted to cater to "the majority of the player base"
Some people only want PvE, some want only PvP.
Some people only want to play casually, some will be 'Hardcore/grinders'.
They are the outliers in a vast sea of other people.
The actual majority is in the middle.
There is nothing wrong with being one or the other or neither/both but you can't expect any company to cater anything to the extreme outliers in any situation. That is not how it works.
You still earned the Commendations/rewards by doing it your way and nothing anyone else does will change that.
Personally, I have never 'grinded' anything in any game ever. I play games to enjoy them and not to just complete everything as soon as possible. That sounds like work rather than gaming but each to their own.
I just spent the last 4-6 weeks grinding out Phantom/skeleton kills, scatter shots, and bone callers for the war chest tab. I literally spent hours upon hours specifically farming scattershots and bone callers, and got most of it done. Now Rare completely nerfed it, and everything i just did was for nothing
So. You did a thing, by your own choice and the game dev decided (because the 1%) to nerf it. Now it’s the games fault you wasted time? No.
You made the choice by trying to unlock everything in short period. This the type of game that should be treated as a long term play.
Don’t blame the dev for doing what a 1% of players demanded because they couldn’t have what they wanted quickly. Blame the players.
@look-behind-you Then why did they release the update/commendations knowing it was out of reach for the majority of the player base? there is nothing wrong with being either type of player, but dont release commendations, let people spend dozens of hours grinding it, and then completely nerf it, and make the time they spent doing it absolutely worthless. there is no difference between me that spent hours upon hours getting all those commendations knocked out, and the day 1 player that just spent 20 minutes. it was a grind but it wasnt as bad as animals or arena was.......saying that they don't cater to extreme outliers is just not true, and completely fake news. they released safer seas, did they not? that seems like an extreme outlier to me?
@burnbacon "This the type of game that should be treated as a long term play."
exactly!! so what was the point of nerfing the commendations?
@clammyhuevos said in Latest Update/Nerf:
@burnbacon "This the type of game that should be treated as a long term play."
exactly!! so what was the point of nerfing the commendations?
They were ridiculous?
@clammyhuevos said in Latest Update/Nerf:
@look-behind-you make the time they spent doing it absolutely worthless.
How is it worthless?! Did you not earn the Commendations? If not, submit a support ticket via Rare Player Support.
There is no reason to rush Commendations like that unless you are cheesing it and know it will get fixed soon.
There have been several instances of things being released and then evaluated once they hit Retail (AKA the wider player base) and then balanced accordingly.
If you want to rush things like commendations etc then by all means, feel free!
Expecting things to be catered to your way of play, in the wider sense of things, is not going to happen.
If you want to 'grind' stuff, do your grind, just don't complain when some things get adjusted/balanced. It doesn't change any Commendations you have achieved.
As for Safer Seas, it was an often requested thing but implemented in a way that was fair. PvE only folks wanted a full PvE option with no restrictions. That didn't fit with Sea of Thieves so there was a 'compromised' version with restrictions implemented.
@look-behind-you "As for Safer Seas, it was an often requested thing but implemented in a way that was fair. PvE only folks wanted a full PvE option"
that's the exact definition of catering to a specific player base.
The last update was released april 20th... they had plenty of time to rebalance it. It is now June 30th... They could have rebalanced it earlier or, better yet heres a better suggestion. What if we had like some testing server where players could give feedback before the update is released.......oh wait,.......
@clammyhuevos said in Latest Update/Nerf:
@burnbacon "This the type of game that should be treated as a long term play."
exactly!! so what was the point of nerfing the commendations?
Just use it as useful data for your sessions/time/effort.
It happens over and over again. The response to people that feel as you do is the same. If they do this again it'll be the same just like it has been multiple times.
You can search for old threads on other nerfs for reading material. It's the same thing every time.
You won't really get anywhere fighting against it but you will enjoy your time more in the future if you accept that this is how things get done.
Play for fun and rewarding experiences because then you can maintain your own significance in the game. It's at your own risk if you rely on Rare to maintain it.
@look-behind-you also. i have like 7k hours logged. why havent i ever seen the shrouded ghost? i mean that commendation should be available for all players to be able to acheive, right? why isnt it more balanced?
@look-behind-you "because it is rare."
but thats not fair to the entire player base is it not? you just stated things are balanced and nerfed to accommodate everyone in the middle not one extreme outlier group? killing 1000 phantoms in the war chest tab is a rare thing to achieve? is it not? but its ok to balance that......[mod edit] go ahead and drop anchor here.
@clammyhuevos said in Latest Update/Nerf:
@look-behind-you "because it is rare."
but thats not fair to the entire player base is it not? you just stated things are balanced and nerfed to accommodate everyone in the middle not one extreme outlier group? killing 1000 phantoms in the war chest tab is a rare thing to achieve? is it not? but its ok to balance that...... I should have become a female twitch streamer, maybe then my feedback would have been taken more seriously, and not completely discarded. go ahead and drop anchor here.
RNG is never fair...to those who don't get the 'dice roll' they want.
It is fair to the player base as a whole as everyone has the same odds.
Killing 1000 Phantoms is not rare, just takes time.
Dropping anchor at OP's request.
