Cheaters everywhere

If they're so obvious, surely you're capturing evidence and reporting them, yeah?

I've encountered one very obvious hacker so far this season. One. And it was super obvious, so I captured some evidence, reported them, and guess what, Rare took action within 24 hours and informed me that the players had been permanently banned from SOT.

So...if it's SO OBVIOUS, surely you're able to capture those obvious moments with the click of a button and then report the player(s), yeah?

@ussain-botte Just because a player plays better than you doesn't mean he's a cheater. If you call everyone a cheater, you need to train, bro.

I think you are exagerating a bit here, but I can see where it comes from.

Cheaters have always been a problem in SoT, thats undeniable.
Ofc you can report them, but the report feature lacks conveniency.
Hacks for SoT are so easy to come by, its ridiculous. And this alone shows you how big the problem must be.
We can only really guess how big the issue really is, since Rare does not really focus their efforts (despite promises) on this.
Naturally we will only be able to visibly detect the most blunt and stupid hackers. My guess is that the number of undetected cases is much bigger.

@Pumpa-Cat

The problem is that they made this update EXCUSIVELY PvP with no PvE method to gain allegiance in the new factions.

Whereas with the other seasons, even being mainly PvE, you still could do PvP and get awarded/something from it that allows you to work towards something (Rep, Commendations, etc.)

The players that favor PvE (myself included) just feel this is a bit imbalanced and just want at least one PvE method to work on Allegiance.

@sweetsandman said in Cheaters everywhere:

If they're so obvious, surely you're capturing evidence and reporting them, yeah?

I've encountered one very obvious hacker so far this season. One. And it was super obvious, so I captured some evidence, reported them, and guess what, Rare took action within 24 hours and informed me that the players had been permanently banned from SOT.

And then you woke up.

@r3troraccoon said in Cheaters everywhere:

@sweetsandman said in Cheaters everywhere:

If they're so obvious, surely you're capturing evidence and reporting them, yeah?

I've encountered one very obvious hacker so far this season. One. And it was super obvious, so I captured some evidence, reported them, and guess what, Rare took action within 24 hours and informed me that the players had been permanently banned from SOT.

And then you woke up.

I appreciate you calling me a liar 🙄

I'll quote the final support response email that I received...

Edited because not sure if I'm allowed to share that...

But it seems like it should be known that players DO GET BANNED for hacking when proper evidence is provided.

@ixxxoloff said in Cheaters everywhere:

@ussain-botte Just because a player plays better than you doesn't mean he's a cheater. If you call everyone a cheater, you need to train, bro.

Oh man... For some reason this reminded me when i was playing team fortress 2 and some one was saying that a long time sniper main was "clearly cheating" when they absolutely wernt. I ended up telling that person "if you dont like that some one is better than you, practice until YOU are better" and they said i was doing logical gymnastics.

There are people that dont seem to understand that practice is how you get better, the concept escapes them.

@pumpa-cat said in Cheaters everywhere:

@roller-108 said in Cheaters everywhere:

@ussain-botte , yep its bad , I feel this season will push more players away , they shouldn’t of locked this season behind just pvp…

I’ve only been playing since season 8, but judging by what I’ve seen people talking on here, the previous 7 seasons were by far geared toward PvE. If that’s so then I can’t see why people are complaining because this season was geared toward PvP.

Longer than since the start of seasons, before this, the last updated intended for pvp was ships of fortune which added emissaries and reapers, and that was a little over 2 years ago, and wasnt even as pvp centric as rare intended.

@wolfmanbush sagte in Cheaters everywhere:

It's a common narrative but it's not difficult to be skeptical about given the lack evidence that suggests cheating is widespread and parts of the community that make accusations that range from no evidence to outright incorrect accusations

its a common narrative because every game with a community has them. The bigger the game, the bigger the hacking issue, its common and widespread.

Convenience is fine to a reasonable degree but over-convenience just floods the queues with baseless accusations as it becomes easy to use the report tool as something to vent with.

Too much convenience leads to floods alright, but too little convenience lets hackers get away with it. In my humble opinion there is too little: No report system ingame, you can only either go the way via xbox (who knows if anything happenes from there) or via the explorer page, the one thats constantly not available or has issues with browsers...

Free advertised cheats exist for everything and they are always designed to benefit those that spread them around in one way or another in ways that have nothing to do with cheating in sot. We don't have data to suggest they work well, are widespread, and that they go unbanned

Oh, but we have data. Did you ever search for videos on how the hacks work? Do that. You can even watch hackers upload their plays and hack tutorials on youtube!

but that's not what people do, they blanket accuse people, they aren't guessing, they are accusing based on their "guesses"

I dont really get this one. Yes, we can only guess. What is wrong with that? A simple report feature should be in place to embrace those guesses.
After having spent a certain amount of time in the game, I think people do fairly well in smelling cheaters. Its the way they react, the saltyness, the blind shots from 100m away through fogs or underwater, stuff like that.
You act like "we just couldnt tell" - but thats simply not true, at least I can tell fairly easy at times. And from the statements in this thread, a lot of experienced players seem to be able to distinguish a pro from a cheater.
Btw: Your statement appears mighty sus, ngl: Why would it be a problem for you if people accuse someone of cheating ?! If the accusation is true: Nice! Them someone can get rightfully banned (or could, if there was an easy system in place). And if the accusation is false? - then its a complimentm, and nothing bad happening from words alone?! I say: Let a good anticheat system or Moderators decide!
What are you even trying to pull here man. You lost a lot of credibility with that statement.

Private cheats are always ahead of detection and public cheats are always easy to detect and ban. They (free cheats) also run terribly, every time people post advertisements for cheats all it shows is how terrible they are designed and how clunky it is while people are using them. Even in the very videos people spread around the people aren't hitting 100% of their shots.

Thats simply Balloney sauce. What are you trying to say here, just to break it down: Are you trying to make the argument, that we should not worry about cheats since theys "never work properly"? And we should not tackle the issue since cheating software always tries to be "ahead of detection" anyway? Like, just dont worry since its a fruitless effort?
Do you know how much mayor games suffered from hacks in the past 10 years? There are entire games who lost global impact because of hackers.
If you really care about the issue, and want to see how good they work - go inform yourself.
If not, sit down plz.

Public cheats have always and will always be about taking advantage of people in a vulnerable moment that make a poor decision, it puts their personal info at risk, their account at risk, and is not something that people "win" with.

Yeah, ofc. Thats why they are so widespread. Because they always backfire on the user, right?
And ofc people never "win" with cheats. And in no case was there ever mayor league players caught in the act of cheating at tournaments. In no way big games like Pubg or CS ever had issues with cheating.
Every bigger game has a cheater issue, that is where we are at in gaming right now. You are either purposly lying - or entirelly unaware of the situation. Plz go inform yourself mate.

People are not doing a public service by constantly talking about public cheats and how easy they are to get and how "unbanned" they are, they are setting people up to make a poor decision that will cost them in the end.

What are you trying to pull here? "Lets simply not speak about it anymore"? Yeah because that has worked so well, if people would not have started talking about cheat software, I am sure these would have never gotten developed in the first place.

You are outright taking the side of abusing cheat software, do you realize that?
You try play down the impact hacks and cheats have on games.
You try to propagate not implementing an easily accesible report system.
You try to propagate not talking about cheats anymore, and not acting against cheats anymore.

@pumpa-cat just to comment on your lack of encountering them personally… since you play on Xbox only servers it is extremely unlikely you will ever run into one. It takes a lot more skill to hack a game on an Xbox than on a PC, and people with such a skill tend to go for higher value targets. Not to say it’s impossible, but highly unlikely.

When SoT was released on Steam is when hacks started becoming a commonplace issue. They existed before, but thanks to the way Steam does their game files, the code became much easier to access for the average user. This is unfortunately the case for a lot of games. The easier it is to navigate the source files, the easier it is for your Average Joe to follow a YouTube tutorial on inserting hacks and cheats.

And yes, your observation of people screaming “cheater” when they were just out skilled or outplayed is very commonplace in many games.

I’ve personally only run across a very limited amount of cheaters in any of the games I play. In SoT I have never run into someone using anything other than possibly the FOV hack. I have almost 3k hours in this game and a lot more in certain other games.

And what’s the most funny is I run with one specific crewmate that screams cheater all the time, any time we get outmaneuvered or outplayed. I’m like… dude… we are playing the exact same game and no one else on our ship thinks they are cheating. But one common issue is he tends to have high ping and bad frames and I think he just misinterprets syncing issue as cheating. Yes the person teleported, but not because they cheated but because your connection sucks.

@wolfmanbush I believe the term is “sore loser” lol

@wolfmanbush
Well, just disregarding the whole issue is not helpful either. Ofc there are salty players in every competitive type of game, but, in my regard at least, thats no justification to disregard the whole issue.
I dont care about people using cheats, i personally pitty them, thats all. I play Pubg since 2018 continuusly, i think thats all i need to say in that matter. Pubg is a game that outright lost its global status as No. 1 battle royale because they could not get a grip on the hacking/cheating - up to this day sadly.

Now, maybe think about why people are calling u sus? The way you answer, the way you defend the current situation and try to downplay any form of improvment or simply debate, is outright suspicious. Thats exactly what a cheater who got comfortable with his way of playing would say. Not saying you are a cheater, just saying, thats exactly the way a cheater would defned his current comfort playstyle. Maybe it does depend on the way you enter the debate then. And yes, I seen you especially (not people generally) getting questioned on that multiple times alrdy, after all this is not the first post thats in the forum about the cheat/hack issue.
Personally speaking, I dont want to accuse you of nothing, but I honestly dont understand your line of thought here. I dont understand what you are trying to achieve with that.

I have not ever seen people throwing around the word cheater in SoT. Never in over 1k hours of playtime. Not in the forum, and not in the game itself. Even now with the PvP, 90% of people i play with or against, go for a sportsmanship "gg" after the fight, and move on.
So this argument of "general accusations" is also not valid in my opinion.

Its an issue, it is there, and needs to be adressed.

Now, i think there is one more point that belongs together with the issue, and thats the hit reg/latency/desync: Sadly the whole combat system never worked fluently, reliable, certainly this plays into why in many uncertain cases you simply cannot tell if it was a hack, or a server issue. So, probably this would need to be fixed first. if thats ever gonna happen lol.

I dont think the season update is that negative, generally speaking I really enjoy it. I think its one of the best updates this game had in a while. Could it use improvement? Aye. But is it bad? No man, not at all.

I'm going to throw my two cents into the pot here and say that whether they are blatant or not there are cheaters in the game and there needs to be some kind of detection system or something I'm not a programmer or anything so I don't know what it would be specifically. I can't say for sure if I have actually encountered a cheater or not I'm well aware of the games dodgy hit reg system and I'm also well aware that many players are vastly superior to me in pvp but there have been times where a set of events seem to line up in such a perfect way that I can't help but question. I don't like to report players for cheating unless I know that is what happened because I don't want to bog down the que any further than it already is.

In conclusion are there cheaters? Yes. Are they everywhere? Probably not. Should there be a system that detects those who do cheat? Definitely. Should the hit reg issues be fixed to help determine who is cheating/using exploits? Absolutely. Are there people crying wolf because they lost? Yes and there always will be such is the way of games with pvp. Should the mods stop locking down posts discussing cheaters/cheating? Yes because sometimes people just need answers as to whether or not they have actually encountered a cheater or not which will also go towards thinning false reports

@wolfmanbush You say you are in benefit of the doubt, and want proof, while at the same time
calling for less control and less convenient report features. First part is ok, second part is actively trying to make the cheaters harder to get exposed - not ok.

"Blanket accusations" is how community works together to find cheaters. Its not blank, its based on personal observations, every single game with report feature works like that. You trying to spin it as the "butthurt losers not being able to handle it sportsmanlike" is continuuing in the same manner of trying to downplay the issue.
In my personal opinion, all that IS actually actively defending and shielding usage of hacks.

Im sorry man, you cant try to twist it all you want, ain't buying it.

@wolfmanbush I have not once in the SoT community ever experienced "blanked accusations" or accusations against "large parts of the community". Not once. Not in game, not in the forum, not in this thread. This kind of "mob culture" you are afraid of has never happened in SoT.

I regard that whole statement of yours as nothing else then a strawman argument that you are trying to implement. Strawman argument: Inventing something that doesnt exist/noone ever said - and then argumenting people on it.
Strawman arguments are usually implemented as a tactic to try to divert from the issue at hand.

The only "blanked accusations" I see here are the ones you are issueing yourself right now, with creating that narrative of "widespread accusations against parts of the community". Now, if you see that, mind showing us some prove or some source where you encountered that?

@wolfmanbush you take my quote out of context. Nice try, but pathetic at the same time.
I put that term "blanked accusations" under quotation marks as i was quoting you, and then i explained how I see it in my next sentence. Low strat dude

@sweetsandman we are Rare does not let us post the evidence to the forums ...

My goodness the forums would be something else if we were allowed to post the cheaters here.