Very sad thing about the forums...

  • Adrianbarcas
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    I've been playing SoT since release plus the open beta and entering the forums dialy just to find complaints, whines, proposals (many of them repeated) and so on. Isn't anyone interested in posts aboutthe game itself? What about the searching for the secret hidden Legend's Tabern? and those paintings all around the southern islands? Any hints or clues about future content inside the game or cool stories about your voyages?

    Yes, the game needs fixes and improvements and of course it needs more content, but right now there are a lot of interesting things to do ant tell or to search as a community. This things are what can create a cool game, one that reaches more than the game itself.

    Maybe Rare could create another forums category for the proposals/complaints thing or for the game comunity stories and common objectives like the ones I mentioned above. This along other things I have mentioned in my other posts could help the game apart from the devs' work itself.

    Hope this have any repercussion, guys. I think we as a community have a big part in ruining the game right now for not behaving like one. Xbox VS PC or Game Pass VS Owners should become something like Pirates VS Protectors or The Golden Brotherhood VS The Red Flags.

    4-5 months from now the game will be either fixed and improved or sunken, and in both situations what all of this complaining and whining posts are doing is loose time for creating legends, rumours and inside lore (things in what Rare could help right now), so lets try to enjoy what we have and make it better, please.

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  • Zep Darkwater

    @adrianbarcas I know where you are coming from. While I'm never against the freedom of people to give suggestions and constructive feed back it seems people are complaining just to complain even though a lot what people are complaining about Rare has already spoken on.

    Also the number of same topic threads has gotten out of control, there seems to be new threads on the same subject popping up every minute. No one even bothers complaining on the current complaint thread of the hour, they just make a new one.

  • ScurrvyBob

    @adrianbarcas i get what your saying but people are angry, they feel cheated out of 60 dollars. and to be honest making forums posts and youtube videoes talking about the extreme lack of content might make Rare do something about it.

  • DaRealPastrami
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    It’s alright to give feedback but the constant “OMG PLZ FIX GAME DIS S*X XD” is getting obnoxious. If you found an issue in the game, chances are somebody has already posted about it.

  • Zep Darkwater

    @politeohio81 I don't mean to be rude, but are you serious? Rare has already done something about it. They have told people their intentions in text in videos and interviews. What more can they really do?

  • Adrianbarcas
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    @politeohio81 Yes, that's right and that's okay! Devs themselves said that they would build the game with the suggestions of the players in it. Me too have made a suggestion and thats good, but I'd like more posts about the game itself and our experiences, objectives and lore in it, or a new category to group all this topics

  • ScurrvyBob

    @zep-darkwater well last thing they said was that they would add the microtransaction store in june..until then no major updates. if you got some new info please share it but if we need to wait 3 months for a in game store ..

  • Kapitan Klaps
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    I and many others share our concerns out of love for the game. Sea of Theievs and Xbox are laughed at literally everywhere. Instead of helping the Xbox brand, SoT sank it even deeper. Rare and MS needs a serious spanking for releasing it at it's current state and there's no better way of getting it improved than showing them our anger. One day you'll thank us for it, friend.

  • D0wnt0wn711

    can't play the game to have the kind of experience you talk about really, i find that 3 to 4 out of 5 times i land in a server where i get:

    • spawn camped
    • immediately put in the brig when i try to join a random crew (solid 4 out of 5 times there)
    • stuck with people who just want to murder you and troll you
      this last item is particularly interesting, if i manage to get in a good party i don't mind the PvP aspect at all, it's much harder to troll people who have backup and makes interesting engagements. But i've played solo and had people chase me for 20ish minutes before i just left the game, i don't feel like fighting a 4 man crew on a galleon to defend 2 castaway chests. I've even tossed my loot over in clear view just to get people to leave me alone and they still come and kill me, spawn camp my ship and talk smack. People talk s**t when they kill you in a crew too of course but at least it feels less like 4 dudes jerking their egos to each other.
  • AdventurerMind

    I haven't played Sea of Thieves yet, but are thinking about getting Sea of Thieves just right now waiting on the game to get better. (My birthday is in May, so maybe then).

    I will say though that Sea of Thieves graphically and aesthetically look very beautiful and sort of have a Zelda vibe to it graphically, which I personally like ^^.

    As for people complaining I think that will naturally get less as the game get more refined, so that's good :-). Will be interesting to see what more Rare will put into Sea of Thieves, both in terms of their own ideas and suggestions from people ^^.

  • Zep Darkwater

    @politeohio81 So if you already know this then why are you complaining. It sounds like you are saying, yes Rare is doing something, but not fast enough. Things take time, if you want them to rush content just for the sake of having content then you have the right to feel that way.

    People expect things to be done right away and that's just not how things work. Like I said comments and suggestions are fine, but you can't keep screaming at Rare to do something and complaining its not happening when you aren't willing to even give them the time to do it. Are people really unwilling to give them a chance to add to the game, unless its right this very second. This has been discussed over and over and Rare has said time and again we are working on it. I could understand if they said that last year and nothing has been done, but that is simply not the case.

    If you want the game to have decent content you will have to wait, If you can't wait, well that's your choice.

  • Adrianbarcas
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    @captain-surgee as I said I don't intent to stop people of giving their opinion about the game and suggestions for improving it, but i don't want to see JUST that types of posts.
    The thing is that apart from that, we can make the game better from the inside, is a game for us to explore and create awesome tales and experiences.
    SoT relies on it's players to create the inner lore and stories that any other game has by default, and is the beautiful thing about it. Devs will only give us the tools for it, and if we just complain that user/community content won't be created

    But hey, I really appreciate everyone that is trying to achieve that Rare and MS put more effort in the game! No problem about that

  • Adrianbarcas
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    @d0wnt0wn711 I have had one or two experiences like the ones you refer too, probably because I only play with friends and the only randoms I play with are the ones that join our crew and not the other way round. It's really sad that a lot of people who play alone can't enjoy the full potential of the game. Believe me that there are truly epic experiences, but yeah, nearly only accessible with friends. I'm sure that with improvements and a strong self-purging community this will be fixed

  • o Luna Lux o
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    Just let me leave this here:

    "Sea of Thieves is designed from the ground up to be a game that grows and evolves, and we will release new cosmetic options ongoing as part of that, alongside new mechanics and ways to play. Our focus for launch is on delivering a great initial experience, and as we move beyond launch we will be assessing and reacting to player feedback across all areas of the game. We have worked with our community throughout the development of Sea of Thieves, and that will continue in exactly the same manner beyond launch." -Joe Neate

    "Sea of Thieves is pitched as a "games as a service" title – an approach to content distribution increasingly adopted among major video games. Buyers are investing in its long-term ecosystem, with the promise of further content updates in the coming months.

    Adopting this model, Sea of Thieves won't have post-launch DLC packs or season passes, preventing player separation in the long term. All major content updates will be provided for free, building upon the foundation currently available at launch. "

    "While small updates and changes can be regularly expected, larger content drops will likely stretch out over multiple months."

    "Daily and weekly events are on the roadmap too, including limited-time missions or variations on existing content."

    "Among the possibilities are illusive non-player characters (NPCs) appearing across the world, with special missions for exclusive rewards. Dynamic world traits have also been discussed, changing up the existing Sea of Thieves experience."

    "New merchants and trading companies are expected to hit Sea of Thieves too, beyond the trio currently found in-game. With each trading company offering its own unique quest types, new companies will likely bring new activities to partake in."

    You don't want to wait for all that? I will. In the meantime, I will enjoy what the game has to offer, and I will keep coming to the forums in an attempt to create the user experience in game that I want. People really should stick to megathreads so their voices are counted.

  • o Luna Lux o
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    @adrianbarcas I agree.

  • TheAssassinOath
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    @adrianbarcas I wholeheartedly agree with you. Let's all take some time to appreciate what is in front of us. I've noticed many secrets sprinkled throughout! For example, one of the shopkeepers at an Outpost told me something about an underwater door near Wanderer's Refuge and I've been thinking about that for days. We must make it a priority to investigate!

  • McDoll
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    Rare has cut content to release later, so saying that we should wait to see what they add is pointless, since I've already seen it in the alpha/beta.

    There isn't anything to do on any of the islands, and there's nothing to explore, yet again, we've already seen it all in beta.

    The only thing to interact with in the entire game world, that isn't loot, supplies or part of the ship itself, is a music box in the tavern (maybe books count?) . Seriously, that's it. There isn't anything to do in the game, that is provided by the game. All the fun has to come from you as a player, whether that be in the shallow and limited combat options, or in role playing or what have you.
    And that isn't something that should cost a user $80usd. That's a basic framework.
    And I mean basic

    So yeah, I get your point, and I understand that the forums are overwhelming, but let's face it, is rare really listening? Did they listen to the players throughout alpha and beta that said the game was empty?
    Did they listen when they actively took content out for release?

    People want to be heard, so they come to the only place they think they will be.

  • Barnacle Blake
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    I hear Ya! My buddies and coworkers every day have amazing stories that we share.
    You do not see this on here.

  • Adrianbarcas
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    @assassinsking98 that's it! This are the things that I wanna hear about and see in the game!

  • Blam320
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    @mcdoll said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    Rare has cut content to release later, so saying that we should wait to see what they add is pointless, since I've already seen it in the alpha/beta.

    There isn't anything to do on any of the islands, and there's nothing to explore, yet again, we've already seen it all in beta.

    The only thing to interact with in the entire game world, that isn't loot, supplies or part of the ship itself, is a music box in the tavern (maybe books count?) . Seriously, that's it. There isn't anything to do in the game, that is provided by the game. All the fun has to come from you as a player, whether that be in the shallow and limited combat options, or in role playing or what have you.
    And that isn't something that should cost a user $80usd. That's a basic framework.
    And I mean basic

    So yeah, I get your point, and I understand that the forums are overwhelming, but let's face it, is rare really listening? Did they listen to the players throughout alpha and beta that said the game was empty?
    Did they listen when they actively took content out for release?

    People want to be heard, so they come to the only place they think they will be.

    Speak for yourself. I went exploring a random island and found two message-in-a-bottle quests, a crate of Rare Tea and a crate of Fine Sugar. There are also shipwrecks that spawn at random around the world. The other night the crew I was part of and I found a Marauder's Chest in one.

  • Adrianbarcas
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    @mcdoll that's true, yeah. It's nothing new since the open beta apart than things that we already knew and at the moment theres not much to do, but the new world of SoT is there for us to explore. That's something that won't happen again unless Rare updates and changes the whole map, wich I doubt.

    I'm too umpatiently waiting to see the first signs of content updating tho

  • McDoll
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    @blam320 said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    @mcdoll said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    Rare has cut content to release later, so saying that we should wait to see what they add is pointless, since I've already seen it in the alpha/beta.

    There isn't anything to do on any of the islands, and there's nothing to explore, yet again, we've already seen it all in beta.

    The only thing to interact with in the entire game world, that isn't loot, supplies or part of the ship itself, is a music box in the tavern (maybe books count?) . Seriously, that's it. There isn't anything to do in the game, that is provided by the game. All the fun has to come from you as a player, whether that be in the shallow and limited combat options, or in role playing or what have you.
    And that isn't something that should cost a user $80usd. That's a basic framework.
    And I mean basic

    So yeah, I get your point, and I understand that the forums are overwhelming, but let's face it, is rare really listening? Did they listen to the players throughout alpha and beta that said the game was empty?
    Did they listen when they actively took content out for release?

    People want to be heard, so they come to the only place they think they will be.

    Speak for yourself. I went exploring a random island and found two message-in-a-bottle quests, a crate of Rare Tea and a crate of Fine Sugar. There are also shipwrecks that spawn at random around the world. The other night the crew I was part of and I found a Marauder's Chest in one.

    Re read my post mate:
    "The only thing to interact with in the entire game world, that isn't loot, supplies or part of the ship itself, is a music box in the tavern (maybe books count?)"
    The world is like a big empty space - it's just window dressing.
    There's nothing to explore, because there is nothing unique to discover.
    You can find loot or things to give you quests to find loot.
    But other than loot that you sell for gold, what is in the game?

  • SausijXzal
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    Games as service
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    Give them time.
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    Theyre working on it.
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    Its only been a week.

    They've had FOUR YEARS to get content in, the content they have in is the kinda stuff, ARMA 3 had done in six months.
    The content they have in is considered by and large very early Early Access quality.
    They even have their own staff refusing to test/playtest cause its -that- boring. They even had an artist admit it took them TWO years to model a single ship.

    But noooo.. were the impatient ones, having expected four years equivalency.

    To put it into context, you ask your child to clean their room. You leave them be, checking quietly every month, seeing their room is... still messy. By the fourth month, you've had enough and TELL them to clean their room. The child (Rare) has no right to then cry about it and make excuses, let alone have the Aunt (You lot) make excuses for them.

    Its been admitted that theyve cut a lot of content out, not because it doesnt work, but because theyre not 1000% happy with it and probably want to spend 2 years modelling a campfire.

  • Adrianbarcas
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    @mcdoll as far as I agree in part with what you've said there is a lot of things to discover! Have you seen the paintings of giant crabs attacking ships? (future monster hint?) Or the sunken ruins near an uncharted island in the center of the map? There's also a beautiful cave with paintings and altars in a monster shaped island in the south, and giant kraken (?) skeletons to the east.

    Yes, they aren't interactive content, or not yet, but there are a lot of things to discover. Devs said that they thought that someone would discover the Legend's Tavern in the betas since it was already out there! Surely not accessible until you reach legend status, but there anyway.

    We all are waiting for content which we can play with, but we already have a world to see and surely a lot of teases of the future (or that's what I wish for)

  • Buckshot Matt

    The forums do have quite a disparity... people who gush over the game and people who cry about it. Personally, I've found the game to just meh. But I also solo, so maybe that's why, and maybe that's where the disparity comes from on the forums. It seems the people having the most fun are playing with their friends, and that really does seem like a great game experience with SoT. Many people just have not been able to experience that, and when they try with random matchmaking, they often times have a worse experience. So the sad thing about the forums is understandable. The game is in a state of the haves and the have nots. Hopefully, the future of the game can find a balance in the disparity. I'm hopeful that it will. It just launched last week. So this game has good chance to be a superb game for a lot of people. People complaining on the forums though, I do understand some of their misery. But as I've said, I haven't had a bad time yet. But not awesome either. So far, just....ok.

  • TheAssassinOath
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    @adrianbarcas said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    @assassinsking98 that's it! This are the things that I wanna hear about and see in the game!

    I know, so do I! But sadly were a mere 8 days past release and it's a barrier we must overcome. There are many cries for change and complaints, but eventually that dies down.

    Now, as a side note cause I have been reading the thread, I assure everyone who reads this: Rare are listening and have listened since the very beginning. I'm proud of them being one of the very few game developers that keep their community very close at heart. I can't deny them that, and feel it's unfair to say otherwise. I am frankly not that pleased with the amount of content that went into the initial game and was expecting so much more not only because I had faith in them, but because there are many things they mentioned would be in the game and they are nowhere to be found, but I'm sure that if we give this game some time to brew, it will rise to greatness.

  • Blam320
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    @mcdoll said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    @blam320 said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    @mcdoll said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    Rare has cut content to release later, so saying that we should wait to see what they add is pointless, since I've already seen it in the alpha/beta.

    There isn't anything to do on any of the islands, and there's nothing to explore, yet again, we've already seen it all in beta.

    The only thing to interact with in the entire game world, that isn't loot, supplies or part of the ship itself, is a music box in the tavern (maybe books count?) . Seriously, that's it. There isn't anything to do in the game, that is provided by the game. All the fun has to come from you as a player, whether that be in the shallow and limited combat options, or in role playing or what have you.
    And that isn't something that should cost a user $80usd. That's a basic framework.
    And I mean basic

    So yeah, I get your point, and I understand that the forums are overwhelming, but let's face it, is rare really listening? Did they listen to the players throughout alpha and beta that said the game was empty?
    Did they listen when they actively took content out for release?

    People want to be heard, so they come to the only place they think they will be.

    Speak for yourself. I went exploring a random island and found two message-in-a-bottle quests, a crate of Rare Tea and a crate of Fine Sugar. There are also shipwrecks that spawn at random around the world. The other night the crew I was part of and I found a Marauder's Chest in one.

    Re read my post mate:
    "The only thing to interact with in the entire game world, that isn't loot, supplies or part of the ship itself, is a music box in the tavern (maybe books count?)"
    The world is like a big empty space - it's just window dressing.
    There's nothing to explore, because there is nothing unique to discover.
    You can find loot or things to give you quests to find loot.
    But other than loot that you sell for gold, what is in the game?

    Fellow players. I know most people are extremely trigger-happy right now, but with some time most of the hyper-aggressive ones that will literally fire at anything will leave, opening the door to more frequent, positive interactions.

    There are the rare cases of a few different crews banding together to take on a Skull Fort, or chasing each other across the map until they decide to just head to the tavern for a drink.

    You're focusing on questing too much. The game isn't strictly PvE.

    Down the line, they're also going to add additional, discoverable lore elements into the game, including books containing possible lyrics to the sea shanties.

  • McDoll
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    @adrianbarcas said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    @mcdoll as far as I agree in part with what you've said there is a lot of things to discover! Have you seen the paintings of giant crabs attacking ships? (future monster hint?) Or the sunken ruins near an uncharted island in the center of the map? There's also a beautiful cave with paintings and altars in a monster shaped island in the south, and giant kraken (?) skeletons to the east.

    Yes, they aren't interactive content, or not yet, but there are a lot of things to discover. Devs said that they thought that someone would discover the Legend's Tavern in the betas since it was already out there! Surely not accessible until you reach legend status, but there anyway.

    We all are waiting for content which we can play with, but we already have a world to see and surely a lot of teases of the future (or that's what I wish for)

    Yep. I saw all of that in alpha.
    It's just environmental art though.
    Didnt change nor was anything added to since alpha/beta.

  • McDoll
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    @blam320 said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    @mcdoll said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    @blam320 said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    @mcdoll said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    Rare has cut content to release later, so saying that we should wait to see what they add is pointless, since I've already seen it in the alpha/beta.

    There isn't anything to do on any of the islands, and there's nothing to explore, yet again, we've already seen it all in beta.

    The only thing to interact with in the entire game world, that isn't loot, supplies or part of the ship itself, is a music box in the tavern (maybe books count?) . Seriously, that's it. There isn't anything to do in the game, that is provided by the game. All the fun has to come from you as a player, whether that be in the shallow and limited combat options, or in role playing or what have you.
    And that isn't something that should cost a user $80usd. That's a basic framework.
    And I mean basic

    So yeah, I get your point, and I understand that the forums are overwhelming, but let's face it, is rare really listening? Did they listen to the players throughout alpha and beta that said the game was empty?
    Did they listen when they actively took content out for release?

    People want to be heard, so they come to the only place they think they will be.

    Speak for yourself. I went exploring a random island and found two message-in-a-bottle quests, a crate of Rare Tea and a crate of Fine Sugar. There are also shipwrecks that spawn at random around the world. The other night the crew I was part of and I found a Marauder's Chest in one.

    Re read my post mate:
    "The only thing to interact with in the entire game world, that isn't loot, supplies or part of the ship itself, is a music box in the tavern (maybe books count?)"
    The world is like a big empty space - it's just window dressing.
    There's nothing to explore, because there is nothing unique to discover.
    You can find loot or things to give you quests to find loot.
    But other than loot that you sell for gold, what is in the game?

    Fellow players. I know most people are extremely trigger-happy right now, but with some time most of the hyper-aggressive ones that will literally fire at anything will leave, opening the door to more frequent, positive interactions.

    There are the rare cases of a few different crews banding together to take on a Skull Fort, or chasing each other across the map until they decide to just head to the tavern for a drink.

    You're focusing on questing too much. The game isn't strictly PvE.

    Down the line, they're also going to add additional, discoverable lore elements into the game, including books containing possible lyrics to the sea shanties.

    So, the game is a super expensive chat room?

  • Feuerkrahe
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    @mcdoll If you want to think of that way, go ahead, nobody's stopping you. And if you see this game as nothing more than that, why do you come here and argue pointlessly with stubborn people (myself included)? We dont't see it that way, so it's going take a major mistake on Rares part to make us all lose hope.

  • Feuerkrahe
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    @politeohio81 said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    @zep-darkwater well last thing they said was that they would add the microtransaction store in june..

    They also said that for that update they will include ship captaincy and legendary crews. We don't really know what those are yet, but we do know that it isn't just going to be an MTX update.

  • McDoll
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    @firetadpole7469 said in Very sad thing about the forums...:

    @mcdoll If you want to think of that way, go ahead, nobody's stopping you. And if you see this game as nothing more than that, why do you come here and argue pointlessly with stubborn people (myself included)? We dont't see it that way, so it's going take a major mistake on Rares part to make us all lose hope.

    Because the game bloody well should be better.
    And being an apologist isn't going to get rare to pull thumb and maybe do at least one year's worth of work in the last five.
    Leaving the forum won't help either.
    I said the same damn thing since the very first alpha - we need more interactivity, we need more variety.
    But was told by the rabid majority that it was only an alpha and I should wait.
    Now, I'm told either that I need to wait for more post launch content, or that the game was only ever going to be what it is.

    The former claim is laughable for obvious reasons, the latter is so because we had a chance to influence development - rare said so themselves.
    But instead, people circlejerked about how excited they were to be selected as pioneers etc and were so desperate not to upset the hand that fed, that they squandered the opportunity to actually make that influence heard.

  • Feuerkrahe
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    @McDoll So you want the game to be better, but you think it's impossible, or am I misinterpreting you? If I gather everything correctly, you know it's a futile cause, so why stay?

    It is very clear you weren't a Pioneer (obviously, looking at your titles). The scene was much more different than just a whole bunch of fanboys packed into a room set on fire saying everything was a-okay. There were definite concerns, but we mostly only helped with bugs. Only a few of our suggestions made it in, becuase it was too late to change much. That's the way it is, so now we have to work with it.

    So rather than coming on here and being snarky or "keeping the fanboys in check" as some would claim, you could try actually suggesting things. That's much more productive, and will actually make the game better, because sitting here arguing with some random idiot on the internet who isn't going to change their opinion definitely won't. Discussing if there is enough content is no longer relevant, we need actual ideas for the game. If Rare has received the message from the gaming community correctly and starts really listening to the community extremely well, I believe that they can pull it together, but they only really have one more chance. That isn't an apologist fanboy speaking (utter criminals I tell you), but an actual consumer who wants the game to be good for everybody.

  • CRUSADER ZORRO
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    unfortunately the forums have more content than the game right now, sad but true

  • McDoll
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    @firetadpole7469
    To be fair, you have pretty well summed up my exact sentiment.
    My flatmate was a pioneer and got me into the game in the first place, he's since given up due to feeling as though he was beating his head against a wall.

    I do hope that rare pulls thumb, and know that it is absolutely possible - I just can't abide the constant defence of their lack of work and mystifying choice to actually REMOVE content for the full launch!

    But yeah, I also think it's the catharsis of venting. Cos man I'm p****d that I dropped 80usd on what is just an early access f2p game.

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