@x1-two Im not trying to be biased here. Im giving objective reasoning to why the challenge is unfair. If you dont think its unfair, then that is perfectly ok, but that doesnt change the fact that i would like to progress through the game fast. If the challenge was easy, i would still like to use the doubloons to progress fast, the only difference is that i wouldnt be complaining about the challenge
The commendation for killing groups of 5 on an active raid with another crew is just horrible
@hunty-guy said in The commendation for killing groups of 5 on an active raid with another crew is just horrible:
@lefaux2 I play in EDT, so it is currently 3 AM. Server hopping does the trick most of the time, but sometimes we cant find one and we have to wait a few hours before we find another.
Yes you do need another crew to cooperate.
No
you
don't.
This has been confirmed multiple times.
You need another player on the island, this could very well be your sloop crewmate.
I got my commendations with one mate.
We worked together with another crew only once (and the pure numbers clearly show that you can't get all commendations by clearing one stronghold.In my experience, not every wave has spawned with 2 kegs. I could be wrong, but i have seen whole groups spawn with 0 kegs. We went through one skeleton raid without getting a single 5 group kill, because half of the groups never actually spawned with a single keg.
I agree that I should have made this more clear.
A wave will always spawn with 2 kegs.
There are waves that spawn in multiple (afaik two) locations.
You will need to round both groups of the same wave up and then kill them all together.And yes, I am now currently aware that all skeleton types count. In my experience though, only the bone skeletons have counted. We have killed large groups of gold, shadow, and leaf skeletons and none counted. Its different for other people, but that is just our experience mainly today. Me and my crew were convinced that it only counted with bone skeletons.
Did you take the "commendation-screen-update-missing-due-to-caches" note into account?
No you dont need 5 plus the skeleton with the keg. I can promise you that that isnt the case. When you blow up the keg, the keg blows up the skeleton holding it and kills the other 4 around it. It adds up to 5. In my experience, this is how it has been. We went through the 50/50 for exploding bone skeletons mainly by blowing up the keg skeleton with 2 next to it. There wasnt 3 plus the keg skeleton, it was a lot of times 2 plus the keg skeleton.
I think we will just have to settle to disagreeing here.
And yes it is decently hard to round up a group of skeletons, and requires a little luck. The hardest part is making sure the keg skeleton doesnt actually blow up in the process. The next hardest part is that not all skeletons move at the same pace, or even follow you at all.
Your summary here strengthens my assumption that you just don't know how to play the skeletons.
Here's how we reliably did it:
One player runs the circles around to aggro all skeletons.
Then that players runs to one of the small exits into the water.
Player 2 then picks up all stragglers and brings them towards the exit as well.
Player 1 fires Eye of Reach towards the barrel and you're done.
Sidenote: Bring bananas.... LOTS of bananas :)Heck... we use the same strat now that we got the commendation because it speeds up clearing the stronghold :D
The skeletons with pistols just hang back and dont actually group up.
I suggest you familiarize yourself with "breaking line of sight".
And you have to get them really close, otherwise the keg doesnt blow up all the skeletons. It is very frustrating when two pistol/blunderbuss skeletons are far away from each other and wont group together no matter what you do.
See "rounding up stragglers" above.
Plus the other crews like to screw with the skeletons and blow them up and spread them out. The other crews make things much harder because they undo a lot of the rounding if they dont understand what we are trying to do. Many times they just blow up the keg skeletons because they dont understand how the challenge works, or dont want to cooperate and dont care.
I agree that this is indeed a problem.
We only cooperated with another crew once and I know what you mean.
That's why we stopped trying to cooperate and just did it ourselves.Our best chance of killing a group, is when a group spawns. As soon as a keg skeleton spawns in the middle of a group, that is usually when we try and kill it, and that has worked out best for us.
I consider this a major strategical mistake.
You're reducing your overall chances by too many factors.And no i am not going to take the fact that you or a crew mate could screw it up out of the equation. Sometimes you end up missing, or the keg doesnt actually blow up. Sometimes you might have not rounded up the skeletons too close, so it didnt kill 5. Many times your teammates or other crews just completely screw it up in the same way you can. I get that it is a lot of times out of my control, and there isnt much i can do. But it all just contributes to the fact that this challenge is unfairly and absurdly hard.
I hear that you blame the game studio for stupid players.
I just disagree :)
Sucky players are sucky players.
I don't blame the Game Studio for making tough challenges which force the players to step up their game.And no, it doesnt always count. Sometimes it takes a second to update. But most of the time when it doesnt count, it never updates. We have killed plenty of large groups of all types of skeletons, and a fair amount did not count no matter what happened.
Don't mix up "counting" and "showing that it counted".
These are two very different things.But we played it as best as we could. We have worked at this for the past week. I dont think we did much wrong. I honestly think we got unlucky a lot. This challenge is pretty luck based
Well, the claim that it is based on luck can't be debunked, because it's a feeling.
I approach things from a logical PoV (mainly because that's my job irl).
So I bring it down to likelihood.
Here's the equasion I come up with.
The better the player (and I've played and talked with quite a lot of people) the more reliable the results are with the Gunpowder-Plot commendation are.
Better players got the commendation faster.because a lot of things have to work out and go right in order for you to succeed. There is a difference between a fair and fun challenge, and an unfair and absurd challenge. I am a big fan of the souls games, and I love playing them. I love the challenge. I played Cuphead, and I loved the challenge. At no point did i feel like those games were unfair, or luck based. Those games did difficulty right. They had fair challenges, that were hard to overcome, but required almost complete skill.
I don't know about those games, are those multiplayer based?
@hunty-guy said in The commendation for killing groups of 5 on an active raid with another crew is just horrible:
I know that the gunpowder skeletons is going to end super soon, but me and my friend are trying to get the 20/20 for the last commendation we need. It is by far the most frustrating.
I loved it the frustrating part was that it was bugged. I must say I did them the first few days. And a lot of crews were searching for them. After a few frustrating moments were we got kills that didn't count we found out it was a known issue. and the commendation was bugged in different ways for different people :O
We are currently 19/20, and we are frantically trying to find as many raids as we can in order to try and get the commendation.
They might and I say might look at a fix to see if they can add the once that didn't count. Maybe make a support ticket with the issue (it is known) but least it is known with them you had an issue.
We dont mind a challenge, but this is just horrible. First of all, the fact that skeleton raids rarely appear makes this challenge extremely hard to complete. We have resorted to constant server hopping in hopes to find a raid. Sometimes it is hours before we find another raid.
I had to do the same server hop to get it done. I agree forts should spawn more regular not only for the commendation but also to stop server hopping.
Second of all, we need another crew to cooperate. So far this hasnt been a big issue, but sometimes a crew just refuses to cooperate with us. We constantly tell them that they can have all the loot, and we just want to complete the challenge. Sometimes crews dont kill us, but dont care about us completing the challenge. I dont blame the crews, but it just makes it that much harder to complete.
Just part of the challenge :)
Third of all, the actual chance of you getting 5 kills with one gunpowder skeleton is fairly rare.
True but sometimes as you also described you got it but it did not count I encountered the same.
Not all skeleton types count, its only the bone ones. So you just gotta hope that a group of specifically bone skeletons spawn. Then you have to hope that one of them has a barrel. Then you have to hope that they group up into a nice group of at least 5. Then you got to hope that you or a crew mate doesnt screw it up.
I had it that Keel Haul didn't count for me at all (and yes I tested this).
Fourth of all, sometimes it just doesnt seem to count at all.
This is correct the commendation was bugged they are solving the problame to see what they can do for people who could not complete the Commendation due to these various bugs.
Its not one bug that happens to all its a few bugs that happen to different people. Some had it so that they could complete the commendation without having another crew on the island. I for example could not get the counts on Keel Haul Fort (while others in my crew did get them) and had to hope for the other 2 too spawn.
I am not saying they will reward the commendation to people after the patch today for the once that didn't count (like at launch when some rewards and achievements got saved but rewarded later).
This is by far the most frustrating part of this whole thing. We will seemingly blow up a large group, only to see that it didnt count. We blew up a large group, and we heard the other crew saying that it counted for them, but it didnt count for us. So obviously it isnt very consistent.
Like my previous post the commendation was bugged and from my guess they will come to some sort of fix for this issue like the thrones that didn't activate or reward dabloons loons for people.
Honestly Rare, please make less demanding coop challenges.
I like em but I can coop with the fact the bugs didn't make it any easier the challenge wasn't that hard in my opinion.
I can deal with the challenges being solo, but coop challenges make things nearly impossible if you arent lucky, especially considering you have a limited amount of time to complete the challenges.
Me and my friend are about to tear our own hair out over this challenge. We have gotten lucky enough to server hop and get 5 raids in about an hour, but we only got 2 group kills that counted towards the challenge. Yes, sometimes we go to a raid and only get one group kill that counts.
Progress is extremely slow, and we have been working on this since the update came out...
Lets hope rare finds a fix to reward you with the uncounted kills to count towards your commendation.
Lets see what the next update brings today!
Have a good one,
Tango!@nefrit-od said in The commendation for killing groups of 5 on an active raid with another crew is just horrible:
Answer to the topic - No its good coz its legendary it should be hard :)
Agreed on that and I think they were on a good level its just the inconvenience of people having different types of issues (none player or skill related that made it harder and frustrating for some. as I mentioned in my reply I myself couldnt let the kills count towards my progress on Keel Haul Fort :)
@hunty-guy said in The commendation for killing groups of 5 on an active raid with another crew is just horrible:
@dislex-fx yes we have had 2 weeks, but this challenge is just unnecessarily hard.
It's not hard... it's..
@dislex-fx Yep but people like you who finished in 2 days are the one gunshooting people like me who are not doing a rally and want to make it taking my time !!!!
You are the one "we comming in friends3 and the next no pity for others !!!!If you know how, it's easy to do. First you need any 2 crew members on the island, not the boat, not the water, but on the island and it doesn't have to be from another ship. Next kill 5 skeletons with a gunpower skeleton. You can shoot or stab it.
Best tactic is to have 1 guy kiting the group until you think you can kill 5 in the blast radius. Kamikaze or have the other guy with no agro shoot the barrel. Everyone on your crew will get credit, even if not on the island. For Kamikaze, run towards the skeletons with guns and let the melee guys run up on you. Make sure other crew members aren't pulling agro away from you because that will reduce the group size. If you die before the explosion, your ally can still shoot barrel with in 3 seconds for it to count. If the barrel explodes on its own, then no credit.
But things don't go as planned and you'll likely only get an average of 5 per fort, but if you're good/lucky then you can get around 10+.
Oh, you can lead them to the waters edge to group them up, but make sure you have 2 other people on the island.
@hunty-guy
Just to make my point short:- It's hard to get it yea cause you don't find friendly crews often at forts but it's possible
- Even if a crew is hostile just pass by with your ship jump off, dumb the ship and hide on the island. If you're lucky they do the comendation for you :)
@jereffuse said in The commendation for killing groups of 5 on an active raid with another crew is just horrible:
@dislex-fx Yep but people like you who finished in 2 days are the one gunshooting people like me who are not doing a rally and want to make it taking my time !!!!
You are the one "we comming in friends3 and the next no pity for others !!!!Don't forget I did it too. So, I couldn't just kill everyone like you think I did.
...we kill y'all after we help. 😉
@hunty-guy this commendation is easy because it progresses without another crew being on the fort. And it's normal for a legendary challenge to be difficult. It's a bonus
@xfrostycookiex said in The commendation for killing groups of 5 on an active raid with another crew is just horrible:
It's hard to get it yea cause you don't find friendly crews often at forts but it's possible
I wonder what medical test-suite people signed up to to keep repeating this false statement over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
@lefaux2 The quest says with another crew at least in my language maybe a translation mistake?
I saw other people saying that you only need another crew member of the same crew but it says something else for me
EDIT: plus there is no reason to be offensive mate
@xfrostycookiex said in The commendation for killing groups of 5 on an active raid with another crew is just horrible:
@lefaux2 The quest says with another crew at least in my language maybe a translation mistake?
I saw other people saying that you only need another crew member of the same crew but it says something else for me
EDIT: plus there is no reason to be offensive mate
No, it says that for everyone, but the reality is you only need 2 people on island. It doesn't matter which crew they're from.
@xfrostycookiex said in The commendation for killing groups of 5 on an active raid with another crew is just horrible:
@lefaux2 The quest says with another crew at least in my language maybe a translation mistake?
I saw other people saying that you only need another crew member of the same crew but it says something else for me
The wording in the game is confusing, especially because the meanings change between translations (so the german wording means something different from the english wording).
That's why we did tests and got our commendation without another crew being present.EDIT: don't rely on what the game "says" you need to do. Rely on what actually happens.
That's what I'm trying to get across.EDIT: plus there is no reason to be offensive mate
You're right, please accept my apologies.
It's just that I (and a lot of other people on this forums and reddit and twitter) try to work against this false statement every day since the release of the commendation.
I did it in this thread.
Twice.
It's frustrating... really frustrating.
I will try my best to remain calm.This was the only quest i was unable to complete. I made it to 16/20 So close!
I really dislike these multi crew events. They are fine if you are able to put in the playing time during the 1st few days of the event, as many folk are doing it also.
But after those initial first few days. It's tough. It's frustrating also. But yes, it is called a challenge i guess. At least we are still able to earn the titles at a later date but just not receive the rewards.Fun fact is: Community complains about them commendations being to easy... skeleton thrones was easily done in 3 / 4 hours.
Now, finally, Rare gave us some hard commendations. Them legendary commendations weren't easy to finish; especially the gunpowder plot one. It took me 4 evenings, where i server hopped 3 for finding skull forts.
I easily rate this event 10/10 as it brougth so much fun. Also the question if you decide to share the loot 50/50 / give it all away / backstab the other crew ; which has to be answered every time you get to do the skullfort with multiple crews, was awesome.
I tried them all atleast once and I had a blast especially sinking the other crews' ship while they were evenly splitting the loot in the loot chamber. LOL! You should of heard them cursing on the ferry of the damned when I walked in with a gunpowder barrel and blew up everyone........... This game is MAGIC!
@needsmokes said in The commendation for killing groups of 5 on an active raid with another crew is just horrible:
I really dislike these multi crew events.
switches into Monk-Praying-Mode:
It's not a multi-crew event
It's not a multi-crew event
It's not a multi-crew event
It's not a multi-crew eventommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I know it's too late now, but if you server hop for a Fort, and another ship is there, if you kill them and sink them you'll till get the commendations for having another crew there....even if they never come back...or at least that's how myself and maybe 6 other people I play with got the last half of them
@handsh0t There is a difference between fair and skill-based challenges, and unfair and absurd challenges. I would call the skeleton thrones somewhat easy (except for a few). And I would consider this challenge hard, but unfairly hard. If you have never played games like Darksouls and Cuphead, then you wont know what i mean.
@lefaux2 Well im not going to continue to argue anything, its not worth my time at this point. However I would like to clear up 2 misconceptions. I probably should have made these 2 points more clear.
First off, I am not blaming the Game Studio for player actions, that would be silly. I see that I was wrong about needing another crew. I was convinced that you need another crew because of the way they worded it in the challenge. They said another crew needed to be there. But I think it was intended by Rare that you need another crew on the island. Now neither of us know if this was Rare's intention or not, but lets hypothetically go with that they intended for another crew to be there. Rare still wouldnt be responsible for player actions, however Rare is forcing you to deal with those player actions. Rare has the choice to make you cooperate with other crews, but obviously they cant do anything about the crew's actions. So Rare has essentially made the challenge more luck based, because you have to be lucky to get a cooperative crew. Again that is hypothetical. But I was blaming Rare for forcing people to get lucky in order to get a cooperative crew. Do you see what I am saying?
Second of all, im not mixing up "counting" and "showing that it counted". Let me tell you how this went for us: We are 17/20. We go to a skeleton raid. We kill around 4-5 large groups of skeletons (and yes there are more than 5 skeletons in a group), and most of the groups were of different skeleton types. At the end of the raid, we were 18/20. Only one counted. We switched servers. Still 18/20. We go to another skeleton raid, still 18/20. We kill another 3-4 large groups. The raid ends. We are still at 18/20. We switch servers. And you guessed it... still 18/20. So obviously only 1 actually counted out of 2 separate raids we did. It never updated for us. Yes, it is bugged, and i wont believe anything else. Rare has said it themselves that it was bugged!
So yea, our experience with the skeleton raids were obviously pretty different. I experienced what I experienced. We are just going to have to disagree on some things.
@hunty-guy said in The commendation for killing groups of 5 on an active raid with another crew is just horrible:
We are just going to have to disagree on some things.
Which is totally fair to me.
I hope you like the current challenge better.
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