Doubloon Currency - Developer Update

@pure-xreactions

But you're "crying on the forums" now over the perceived value of a digital sword?

I may not even get the sword, so I don't really care. For years, there was nothing to spend them on so I didn't care about hoarding them. Nor do I care about being perceived as "rude" when my arguments are not from a selfish standpoint but, rather, one that's fairer for the majority. From an objective point of view, this seems like a better way to deal with it, considering it's a situation of Rare's making.

@pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

@realstyli right. It’s unfair that people receive the same reward when they have not put in the same amount of effort as I did.

Again, they did. They just converted their doubloons to gold. Which is what is going to happen to your doubloons anyway. So they actually put in MORE effort.

Of course you don’t care because now you might actually have a chance to get the sword after spending all of your doubloons. I saved all of mine and yet we will more than likely receive the same reward.

I likely won't get the sword. I've done the rough mental maths and it's more likely I'm short by a few thousand. If, by some miracle I do, I won't use it... because, quite frankly, people being incredibly selfish over it has tainted it for me.

It defeats the entire purpose of these items.

Which is what exactly? The point of the items is to celebrate the doubloon economy, whether players spent their doubloons or not they interacted with that economy over the years.

It wouldn’t be such a big deal if the other items weren’t priced so lowly. It takes a SINGLE reapers chest as grade 5 reaper to get the title. 2 as a non emissary. For a time limited commemorative item it will be no more special than the sailor title for those who want it. Said it multiple times but it’s a joke.

I do think the title should have been higher and, at the current price, I think it is a joke.

@pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

@realstyli I get your point. But in all fairness why is that my problem? These items are made specifically to show the crazy amounts of doubloons I’ve earned. 4 out of the 5 items prices are actual jokes while there’s one (the sword) that takes actual hard work and dedication to achieve. Now suddenly because someone made a poor decision that I didn’t the item I worked really hard for will significantly be less valuable? How is that fair to players like me whatsoever? It’s not my fault they spent their Doubloons on worthless gold that they already had hundreds of millions of. I’ve earned 112k+ plus doubloons and I won’t be able to spend hardly any of it. What an insult.

1- It's not your problem. Other players being awarded a sword for their years of dedication, has no bearing on you, nor does it take anything away from you.

2- If you're upset that veterans converted their doubloons to gold, your issue is with Rare, not your fellow players, since Rare gave everyont that ability thru the NPC. Punishing veterans for using a feature in this game, isn't right. No one is psychic, therefore veterans had no clue if them converting doubloons was a "poor decision" or not. Again, you're mis-placing blame here. It was Rare's choice to put that ability in the game. We asked for years for a store to buy things with them, and were ignored. What else were we to spend our doubloons on, if not to convert them??

3- Other players worked just as hard as you did to get those doubloons. Imagine if you had used the in-game feature to convert them to gold, and suddenly they all don't count? Before you say, "Oh I wouldn't be upset," just know that not everyone feels the same as you do.

4- If you have 112k plus doubloons and won't be able to spend hardly any of it, that's on Rare. Not your fellow player.

Rare provided an option to convert doubloons to gold. Many players did just that. It's not fair to them for those doubloons not to count now. Also, by lighting another candle, your flame doesn't dim. There's nothing wrong with being fair and respectful for veteran's time they've spent in this game already.

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@realstyli I would have felt very stupid about converting the 112k doubloons to useless gold

Stopped reading here. "Useless" to who? Again, you're not putting yourself in other player's shoes. You don't get to say what's useless or not. And before this change, yes-- many veterans probably felt they converted all those doubloons....now that hindsight is 20/20 right?

You: "Hey, you guys should've hoarded them instead."
Them: "....for what purpose? We had nothing to spend them on."
You: "Hey, I kept all mine. You should've done the same, although I can't answer the question as to why you should've hoarded them, even though there's an NPC right there that can convert them..."

Blame Rare for putting that ability in-game. Don't blame the players for using the option.

@sonicbob
This is a better change but we need to be able to see the current lifetime gained dubloons.

We need a counter on sot webside to see how much we earned (lifetime)

While not perfect, this is a better way to implement this. Idk what my life time doubloons is but its over 100k

Please make a page featuring total doubloons you earned over time.
I know that I have around 30-40k spending due to various spendings. But I have no idea how much more I need to farm :(

So many people here crying. This is a great change and doesn’t punish those who spent doubloons… you know, the intended design of the currency.

All I hear apart from the positive posts is waaaa! Give me more exclusivity. Make me feel special. This isn’t enough now more people will get this digital item and now it doesn’t mean anything!

@pure-xreactions

Be honest, if Rare added the option for players to convert gold back to doubloons but limited only to those who had converted to gold before and only at the same amount, would you still object?

Because, I'll be honest, all this just feels like you're sad you're losing a flex. It's not a good look at all.

@pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

@europa4033 1. “Years of dedication” right they spent all their doubloons to buy gold cosmetics while I saved mine. It was a choice and they made it. I was able to buy all the items in the game without converting any of my doubloons. Your telling me all the extra work I did saving my doubloons gets undermined because people complained that they wasted their doubloons and rare changed it to what it is now? Not fair at all for me.

If you chose to save your doubloons, that was on you. Players also spent their doubloons on cosmetics AND converted them. What else were they supposed to do with them? Rare gave everyone the ability to convert them. If you chose not to, that's on you, but you don't pass judgement on others simply because they took that opportunity. Again, it wasn't "wasted" to other players who chose to convert their doubloons. People chose to convert them with the ability Rare gave them.

2. It was a choice and that made it. If others had done more work they would have been able to buy everything without converting any doubloons.

More work how? If you and I both earned 100k, which one of us "worked more"?? Also, it's my right and choice to convert them. Your opinion on what I did with my doubloons...that I worked for...are none of your business.

3. If you think about it they more than likely didn’t. The amount of doubloons transferred would significantly decrease the amount of time it took to buy all the gold items. While I did so without converting any doubloons. Unless they converted them after buying everything in the game which makes 0 sense whatsoever.

4. Most certainly is on the fellow player. They complained that they wasted their doubloons and rare caved to them and made the change. The way rare had these items set initially, close to half of my doubloons would have been spent for a meaningful item. Now everyone gets the participation trophy even if they didn’t save their doubloons like I did. Not sure what you don’t get. It defeats the entire purpose of what these items represent in the first place, and as a whole makes the sword much less significant.

None of your doubloons matter anymore. What Rare is doing here, is acknowledging those who used the in-game option to convert theirs, that Rare designed and put in the game. Yes. Everyone who earned 50k doubloons over their lifetime, gets this sword. You have just over 300 days played. I have 500 days played. Do the doubloons I earned and converted years ago (since I had nothing to spend them on) no longer count for me?? It's easy to judge when hindsight is 20/20. There was no reason to hoard them. NONE. Don't judge other players what they chose to do with their doubloons man.

Sorry, no one's going to bow down to you for having this special sword. When you board another ship, those players aren't going to be star-struck, looking at one of the few players that has a reskinned sword and admire you for your "hard work" in this game. Rare punishing veterans for using their in-game feature, isn't right, and you know it.

@pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

@d3adst1ck only reason to convert doubloons over is to buy gold items. The people complaining converted theirs and in doing so would get gold at a much faster rate than I would. Which is fine and well it’s their choice, but now you have myself who bought the items with sheer gold without conversion (meaning I had to earn much more) as I decided to sit on my doubloons for a rainy day rather than convert them.

And you were free to choose to do this. No one is judging you for doing this. Just as other players were free to convert theirs, since doubloons were pointless. Not everyone feels the way you do with this. Just because you chose to hoard yours, doesn't mean everyone else should've too, with a feature in-game to convert them standing right there at the tavern.

@dermasterbob I guess it's better to buy those doubloon items, than to convert it to gold (or even buy the +1 lvls). Gold is really easy to come by, so I guess just use up the rest.

@space-veteran96

Just remember to keep 4,050 doubloons for the other limited time items (title, eyepatch, belt, and sails).

@space-veteran96
Yea I think so as well, but an explanation would be appreciated.
For me it doesn't really make a difference, but others might regret some of their decisions, because of the lack of information.

@dermasterbob Yeah ofcourse... Better wait for the event to be sure

@pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

@realstyli they did not put in equal effort. The doubloon conversion to gold made it loads easier for them to afford gold cosmetics. I opted to sit on my doubloons for a rainy day thus having to buy all the good cosmetics using just gold without a conversion. Therefore having to earn much more gold.

Again, that was your choice. No one forced you to do that.

How am I being selfish? People complained that they wasted their doubloons to the point where rare made it a “lifetime” thing rather than what’s currently on your person. These items in its entirety won’t even take a dent into my doubloon hoard defeating the entire purpose of these items.

That's up to Rare. Not the playerbase.

The sword wasn’t about the people who could afford it, it was for the people who can. People complained so much making about themselves that they literally made rare change how it works. If anything that’s SELFISH.

Punishing players for using a conversion option in-game, is a bad precedent for Rare. "I converted these for years, and all of a sudden they decided to change it to where we need them now?" Just because you chose to hoard them, doesn't mean those who chose to convert them was wrong. You acting like you're losing a major flex, upset that more players are going to enjoy having this sword, is selfish.

It’s not to celebrate the economy it’s to celebrate the great lengths people have gone through to amass such a hoard. It’s a cool commemoration to show future players you encountered just how many you had when the currency went away. That was the plan initially. Why is that still the case with the remainder of the items except the sword? Why the special exceptions?

Exactly. You get to show off to everyone else that you amassed at least 50k in doubloons over your character's lifetime. Just like the veterans from years ago get to do as well. It would've been cruel (using HitboTC's words here) cutting off veterans with thousands of hours who had nowhere else to spend these, so they converted them. I'm glad Rare agreed. Perhaps had you also converted doubloons, you'd see things differently. Personally, I never converted doubloons, and am glad that more people are getting credit now.

Seems like we mostly agree the remainder of the items are priced way too low. Like I said since the sword is removed it won’t even create a dent into my hoard which is sad.

Take it up with Rare.

@pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

@europa4033 I was and initially I was going to rewarded doing this with the sword. I’ve said this to 4 different people. These items were never for people who can’t afford them, it’s for the people who can. The fact that rare caved to them defeats the whole purpose. If they are going to stick to this At least release 1 more item that will actually make a dent into doubloon hoards for people like me.

...and the veterans who have amassed thousands of doubloons over the lifetime of playing this game, also can. It's not Rare "caving", it's them acknowledging the hours played and countless doubloons the veterans earned over the years. It doesn't defeat any purpose. Your doubloons are going to be converted to gold, just like what veterans have done over the years. Whether you chose to hoard them or not, doesn't matter, as that was on you.

Oh no, people won't see my incredibly-rare reskinned sword and bow down to me, even though they've played for far longer and had nowhere to spend them, so they chose to convert theirs. Wow look at me go. I guess hoarding everything in the future is the path to take.

@pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

@realstyli they did not put in equal effort.

They put in equal effort to get those doubloons.

The doubloon conversion to gold made it loads easier for them to afford gold cosmetics. I opted to sit on my doubloons for a rainy day thus having to buy all the good cosmetics using just gold without a conversion. Therefore having to earn much more gold.

You are making an assumption as to why they converted to doubloons. I know I didn't spend any of the gold I got from converting. For me, it was more that one was an active economy, albeit not very, and the other seemed dead. I'm sure many others felt the same.

How am I being selfish? People complained that they wasted their doubloons to the point where rare made it a “lifetime” thing rather than what’s currently on your person. These items in its entirety won’t even take a dent into my doubloon hoard defeating the entire purpose of these items. The sword wasn’t about the people who could afford it, it was for the people who can.

To quote you: "But in all fairness why is that my problem?"

People complained so much making about themselves that they literally made rare change how it works. If anything that’s SELFISH.

I was one of the first instigators of the feedback asking for a change. For me, it was a logical argument, not a selfish one. At best, I expected they would cut the price in half. I still would not have been able to afford it (I currently have 7.2K remaining) but it was about the principle.

Again, do not make assumptions about the motivations of others.

It’s not to celebrate the economy it’s to celebrate the great lengths people have gone through to amass such a hoard. It’s a cool commemoration to show future players you encountered just how many you had when the currency went away. That was the plan initially. Why is that still the case with the remainder of the items except the sword? Why the special exceptions?

This change goes about it correctly for a commemorative item. Why are you so fixated on shrinking the amount of players who have it? It will still be special, don't worry. I've been playing since day one and I'm not even sure I'll get it (after this conversation, I hope I don't).

Seems like we mostly agree the remainder of the items are priced way too low. Like I said since the sword is removed it won’t even create a dent into my hoard which is sad.

I said the title is, for sure. If it were me, that title would have been the 50K item to begin with.

@pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

@europa4033 not passing judgement. They made the the choice of their own free will just as I did. Initially I was going to be rewarded with that but now I’m just lumped in with everyone else. Doesn’t feel very commemorative or special.

Imagine if you have played this game since day 1, had nothing to spend doubloons on, converted thousands of them, and now this player with a few months played gets this "special" sword and you don't? It's cruel and a slap in the face to those who used the feature to convert to gold. Had they known on Day 1 this was going to happen and were warned, then I'd say yeah- too bad. That's not the case here.

You either don’t read my posts or just choose to ignore what I’m saying. If we both earned 100k doubloons and I sat on mine and you spent yours on gold you would have to work a lot less to buy the gold items would you not?

Here's what you don't understand. You CHOSE not to cash in your doubloons for gold. So, you don't get to admonish those who did when you yourself had currency to convert. Just because I choose to cash my check while you choose to hold onto yours, doesn't mean I didn't earn that money.

They should have left it how it was initially. Catering to the masses because they complain sets a horrible precedent for future items and challenges.

I have a screenshot where I earned the achievement of turning in 250 horns. Weeks later, they reduced that number by 100, and made them more common. I didn't rage on the forums saying how it's not fair, "oh-no, others are going to get the unique sails I've already earned now." I'm glad they made it more do-able for those who don't have a lot of time to play. You earning those sails despite not having to work as hard as I did, doesn't diminish them for me, and you're here crying about everyone getting this sword who "foolishly" converted their doubloons, as if everyone was supposed to be psychic. "By lighting another candle, your flame doesn't dim."

You guys need to add a place where we can check our Lifetime accumulation of doubloons. 50k lifetime is still a stretch. We have equipment and ship sets that costs doubloons but also ritual skulls, ashen key/chests that we bought as well. It’s impossible to keep track of it. Until then you need to give us plenty of time to make a good opportunity at having a chance getting to the goal not just dropping a set point in our lap with no indication where we are. That’s not fair at all.
Even 35k lifetime would be understandable…

Also keep in mind we are talking about doubloons being the issue because we have all this currency and nothing to do with it well how about gold. Like myself I have over 363,555,221 gold and really nothing to use it for besides cluttering my chests with load screens if I want to buy like EVERYTHING and still have plenty left over. How about you add for a limited time for people to covert gold to doubloons. So we have a reason to drain our banks.
Devs please look at this

@jerichocross666 I second this!

If only for the actual event, we could revert those 10k gold back to 50 doubloon, it would be good too... Tho the problem still stands as it would need to be converted back to the amount you used for converting doubloon to gold first, then count towards to lifetime earned once it's back to the start. In my case I wouldn't have much problem, cause I spent those doubloons on season stuff I missed rather than converted it.

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@europa4033 nobody is earning 50k doubloons in a few months. Thats the most out of touch thing I’ve heard in a while. Still never answered my question on why the sword is a special exception?

Once again.... let me repeat myself here. It's not right or fair ("cruel" is the word Hitbo used) to deny veterans a commemorative item, after they used Rare's in-game feature to convert thousands of doubloons over the years with nothing else to spend them on.

Why are all the other items based on physical doubloons held before the big reset? Just seems disingenuous to the message they are trying to convey.

I do not work for Rare, however earning 4k or so over the next 5 weeks, is very do-able.

Right you CHOSE to convert yours. These roles were completely reversed a week ago and all of you were complaining on this thread. Now that I’m complaining about the same thing in reverse it’s suddenly that I’m selfish and it’s a big issue. Quite hypocritical I must say.

The roles haven't been reversed. Go back and re-read. Veterans, Day 1 players, have made comments saying that the years they've put in this game apparantly meant nothing since they didn't hoard a pointless currency. Now that Rare has changed their stance on this, giving those veterans credit for the time played/currency earned, YOU have a problem with it, since now your reskinned sword won't be special, and people won't bow down to you.

I sold 250 horns before the cutoff as well. Still see midnight prowler sails everywhere because of the reduced commendation. Not sure why it wouldn’t upset you that some people got the easy way while you got nothing in return going the long way. Weird philosophy.

Because I chose to grind them out, while others didn't. That was MY choice. I was bored one evening, decided to log on and look everywhere for them. NO ONE made me do that. New and casual players won't ever have to grind as long or as hard as I did. Good for them. Were you this upset when they added Sovereigns to the game, since players don't have to sell by hand anymore? Were you this upset when they removed the feature to purchase voyages, giving everyone free voyages at their tables now? Were you this upset when they added the ability for the harpoon to deposit loot beside you now, eliminating the need to hop off/take/hop on again? Were you this upset when they added a storage crate, eliminating the need to fill pockets and made players make several trips? Were you this upset when they added Safer Seas so families can spend quality time with their children? Were you this upset, when they added coconuts to the default ship supplies? I can go on and on.

No. Just because I earned those sails the hard way, doesn't give me the right to demand Rare continue making it difficult for those who haven't yet. Just because I have tons of hours to devote to this game, doesn't mean others do. I'm glad others now have an easier time, than when I first started this game. Do I get a special trophy just because Safer Seas didn't exist and the game was much harder back then?