It's a PvE game without PvE servers...

@lordpartos As Hombre mentioned, when voting your last checkpoint you are provided with the lost item needed for the next step of the tale.

Like in any game, defeat entails a bit of lost time. Nothing new and nothing different here.

@xatencio6729 u can still whinning , or get better in this game.. u never get ur pve server cuz Rare didnt want a PVE Game..

i love to sink ppl like u <3

It's not about losing once and then you can play the next few times. No it's about you can't play the game because you lose every time. Read my comment carefully again. if it were unique I would have had no problem with it. But if someone has the opportunity to kill you every time because he can virtually locate you. then it has nothing to do with playing anymore.

If you lose your loot and/or ship all the time then its little "bump" for you to change tactic since yours clearly doesnt work well. How are you losing? And what can you do to protect yourself against it next time? Im most cases you are losing bcs you didnt watched the horizon. You, as solo slooping player are much smaller and harder to detect than galleon, so you can use that to your advantage and choose wether you flee or fight.

But there is one part i dont understand... how they can "virtually locate you" ? As far as i know the only way to see other ships on map (except putting on flag that show your location) is to become reaper emissary tier 5, then you will see other emissaries. But if you are not emissary then there is NO WAY to detect you across the map. Unless you are trying to tell me that somehow you didnt noticed galleon sailing in your direction for few minutes but they noticed your much smaller ship :P.

@leritari said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

But there is one part i dont understand... how they can "virtually locate you" ? As far as i know the only way to see other ships on map (except putting on flag that show your location) is to become reaper emissary tier 5, then you will see other emissaries. But if you are not emissary then there is NO WAY to detect you across the map. Unless you are trying to tell me that somehow you didnt noticed galleon sailing in your direction for few minutes but they noticed your much smaller ship :P.

When I board people with my crew, whenever I have a minute, the first thing I go is run the the voyage table to see on what kind of voyage they are and if we should pursue them (athena, gildeds, etc.) and the map to see where they are headed next. I look at the map and memorise what other isles are circled on the map, and we can know where our friends will be, should we decide to help them finish their athena voyage, or prepare to sneak if we think they are done with the chapter one and heading for the final chests next.

It's no magic, it's no hack, it's observation, planning, deduction and situational awareness. Everyone can do it.

@lordpartos said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

There are players who use every function of the game to annoy or troll other players. Sea of ​​thieves was no different and is probably still the same. the arena does not help with this problincidentally.

Some players will use every tools the game provides at their disposal to accomplish what they set their goal as. What is trolling to you, is finding loot for them.

The problem is not problem, the problem is your attitude towards the problem.

@lordpartos said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

So it's okay if I chase you in the game, for example. pay attention to who you are (ship design etc.), if necessary, I remember your username and write it down, and every time I see you I sink you and you can therefore get no further in the game, you have still fun with the game? It's just as annoying as when a player is at the spawn point in the first person shooter game and kills you when you spawn.

And... here you are wrong. In first person shooter you CANT change server. If you quit match you get penalty. In Sea of Thieves if you change server you lose nothing since you already died and have nothing more to lose. That on extreme cases when someone bully you so bad.

But in most cases someone kills you, you get up, and go forward. There is no way someone can predict where would you spawn since its purely random. Of course there might be scenerio where whole server is up against you, then sure, they can "spawn camp" you, otherway - no chance. Also decide : either give up your quest, or stale it - go to some island, find supplies/treasures/skelly captains/quest bottles/fishing/whatever to keep you busy for few minutes. After 5 or 10 minutes go back to your quest. Tadam, crisis solved. And trust me, nobody gonna wait half hour specially bcs you MIGHT come there. They do their quest, wait a little, you didnt came, they sail away. Simple as that.

About satisfying needs... i know what you are expecting. That people will gather around you, stroke your hair and tell "dont worry little boy, whole world is against you, you didnt do anything wrong, you did everything perfect". The truth is you are not center of everybody universe (i wanted to use "anybody" but that would be mean, so be glad i didnt use it despise your attitude). If you die 10 times in row then you are doing something wrong. Maybe coming back to the same island for half hour? Just change island. Or server if you REALLY must go to that specific island. Or stall as i described above. But no, i guess its easier to demand changing whole game instead of using systems that already exists xD

Btw- if you want you can hunt me in SoT for whole eternity. Good luck finding me or even getting so close that you can spot my painting xD. I have magical skill called "glance at horizon", it trigger at every single occasion. Im walking from canon to crate? Glance at horizon. Im on island and walk to end of it? Glance over horizon. I climbed on some mountaint on island? Glance at horizon. Even if somehow you would sneak up on me and sunk my ship... i would respawn and go somewhere else. What would you do? Wait for me on that lonely island for whole eternity? I would love to see that xD. If somehow you would keep finding me... i would change server. You cant check all servers to see if i wasnt at any of them. Heck, you cant even check one server and be sure you counted all players xD. For sure i wouldn't cry on forum :P

Im not going mad over you - im merely pointing flaws in your point of view and proving that what you see as a problem isnt really a problem since you can solve it on your own.

@xatencio6729 said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@snookr90 said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@xatencio6729 u can still whinning , or get better in this game.. u never get ur pve server cuz Rare didnt want a PVE Game..

i love to sink ppl like u <3

Actually, you want to know another problem for solo players? Discord. If I'm going against a team on Discord and a player has managed to tuck on my ship, he can freely talk and strategize with his crewmates and I can't hear him.

That's out-of-game help that gives teams an unfair in-game advantage over solo players. If they were somehow forced to communicate ONLY in-game, they'd either have to talk where I can hear them or they couldn't communicate with each other as easily.

Lol really? Explain to me how Rare should proceed into preventing people to use programs out of the game to communicate, I will wait with anticipation.

What if they are in the same room? Are they prohibited to speak to each other?

What if they talk in game but in a language that you don't understand? Should Rare force everyone to speak the same language so you can understand their "strategizing"?

You choose to play solo, yet you have access to the same discords than everybody else. Rare doesn't need to create solo servers, you need to find a crew to play with if you can't handle the game by yourself. (Or alternatively, accept that solo play is harder and puts you at a disadvantage by design and keep practising until you can handle yourself alone)

@xatencio6729 said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@snookr90 said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@xatencio6729 u can still whinning , or get better in this game.. u never get ur pve server cuz Rare didnt want a PVE Game..

i love to sink ppl like u <3

Actually, you want to know another problem for solo players? Discord. If I'm going against a team on Discord and a player has managed to tuck on my ship, he can freely talk and strategize with his crewmates and I can't hear him.

That's out-of-game help that gives teams an unfair in-game advantage over solo players. If they were somehow forced to communicate ONLY in-game, they'd either have to talk where I can hear them or they couldn't communicate with each other as easily.

It's a team based game.

What else did you expect?

I've used facebook messenger to silently communicate to team mates before, the xbox interface allows for exactly the same thing as well.

Are you seriously implying abolishment of EVERY DM system ?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@xatencio6729 said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@hurricanegriz said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@saltylily627925 said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@viperishemu2992 said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

It's just a matter of time. Arena totally bombed so Rare's attempt to lead their PvP base away so they could get away with introducing a PvE Mode sooner didn't work.

Private Servers are coming soon, and while they are saying "no progression" it's just a matter of months.

Very true, they will cave in sooner or later as long as we keep demanding what we deserve KEEP ON THE GOOD FIGHT PEOPLE

glad to see sensible people on this forum

If you’re still crying for pve servers rather than just getting good then maybe you shouldn’t be playing a game that implies theft in the title 😂

The problem is that some solo players (like me) can usually only play a few hours a night. It's extremely frustrating to lose an hour of gameplay because you weren't able to keep an eye on your ship, the horizon, and your voyage objectives all at once.

Numerous times I've come back to my ship upon finding my X marks the spot treasure to see my ship gone.

I play solo all the time, it’s not that hard.

saying you want pve sever is another excuse for saying pvp is toxic

@xatencio6729 said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@snookr90 said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@xatencio6729 u can still whinning , or get better in this game.. u never get ur pve server cuz Rare didnt want a PVE Game..

i love to sink ppl like u <3

Actually, you want to know another problem for solo players? Discord. If I'm going against a team on Discord and a player has managed to tuck on my ship, he can freely talk and strategize with his crewmates and I can't hear him.

That's out-of-game help that gives teams an unfair in-game advantage over solo players. If they were somehow forced to communicate ONLY in-game, they'd either have to talk where I can hear them or they couldn't communicate with each other as easily.

You mean like they can do within an Xbox Party Chat as well? That is a system built into the game/system that does the same thing you are complaining about, thus making your rant rather moot on this point. So they can do it either via 3rd party apps OR within game's built in first party chat options - so there is no issue here as it is approved communication by Microsoft, your rant on this issue is pointless.

Counterpoint - since you are solo they cannot hear your plotting or planning either, should you be forced to announce your plans to them in order to be "fair"?

@kaijoi said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@lethality1

Then tell Rare to stop making PvE content. I mean, PvP is the content right? Go knock yourself out. And I didn't say I didn't want PvP.

But with the direction they are going, it doesn't make sense to NOT offer PvE as a server
ruleset.

You're completely missing the point. Sea of Thieves at it's core is a PVE game with PvP sprinkled in. That's what they balance EVERYTHING around. And like I said above (if you even read it) You can't separate PVE into it's own server as that would kill the game.

You bought the game knowing full well that this game had the ability for you to kill people, why are you then complaining that people are killing you?

If this was a persistent world, with more than a max of 24 players in it, PvP infiltration for an encounter like this would make a lot more sense. But since it's not...

Why does the game have to have more than 24 people in order for PvP to be accepted? What's different between less than 24 people and greater than 24?

Sorry, try out Atlas for once and leave your SoT bubble with its streamers telling you otherwise. Atlas is focused on PvP, there is no nasty story nor big PvE content, you can start PvE challenges, but there is no lore or whatsoever that distracts from survival and fighting against others.

So, @Lethality1 is not missing, rather hitting the right spot. Although I would rather opt for the option to transition between the game modes and to change your ship during a play session. A transition can look like this: the side of PvE or PvP experience the other side as the Sea of the Damned and the game could have a point where you can enter the other side.

@denjiofthieves said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@lethality1
agreed, the only reason why pvp junkies complain is because they fear to have to do proper questing them selves, instead of ruining 4 hours of other peoples progress in only few minutes. PVP players in SOT are just leeches who want to go down the easy way, instead of playing the actual game.

Four hours of progress ? You know there are seven outposts and one turn in point at Reaper's Hideout ? If you don't want to lose everything from a session: sail by one of them after an hour or so and turn in your loot.

This was never a PvE game. Its a PvPvE game. Every event instance- the fort, FOTD, Ashen Lords, Flameheart, etc., are ALL designed it have multiple crews participate. Participation varies, either alliancing to attacking to tucking.

The sponginess of the most recent Ashen Lords is meant to entice alliances, as it is also meant to entice being extremely wary of those who plan on intervening and stealing the treasure. Its risk v reward, just like everything else in this game.

@mewgarb

Sorry, try out Atlas for once and leave your SoT bubble with its streamers telling you otherwise.

Did you read anything I said? What are the streamers telling me that I was wrong about? I don't play Atlas, and like you said: Atlas is focused on PvP, I said that SOT is focused on PvE, with PvP sprinkled in. You're saying that this game should have it both ways, PvE with PvP sprinkled in, and PvP with PvE sprinkled in, which they do. Arena is focused on PvP and has a little bit of PvE sprinkled in. And adventure is PvE oriented with PvP sprinkled in.

@sdmittensyt
I can see that you just don't care about fixing the situation and are just wanting PvE servers to be added. You clearly read some of my post about why it will never be added and the logistics behind that because you said: Scared if they added PvE 90% of players would play on it? When that's the exact statistic I said. It sucks to see that you'll read my post but not understand or choose to be ignorant about everything I said and your idea is still, "Just add a PvE only server, it won't change much." When my post literally explained why your idea is wrong.

All good games cater for all types of players. RARE just cant seem to understand that.

Which good games cater to all types of players? Please indulge me. Fortnite doesn't cater to people who just want to fight other people without building. Crazy Cat lady simulator doesn't cater to people who want to be a crazy dog lady. Tell me what game caters to every single type of player.

After that. explain to me WHY Rare needs to do that? Like the developers have said:

Developer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_yrN70591Q&feature=youtu.be&t=3681

Developer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_yrN70591Q&feature=youtu.be&t=3578

So why should SOT cater to the couple thousand people who want a PvE only server when you have hundreds of thousands of players who are playing the game because there isn't one? Stop avoiding my questions and arguments, I have responded to you at least 3 times all across the SOT forums and you just pretend you never see it and leave it because you know I'm right. Which would be fine, but then you post things like this and show that even though you KNOW I'm right, you still don't care and keep spreading false information or trying to show your narrative of, "We're so oppressed please make PvE only servers,"

This isn't Roblox, this isn't a game where EVERYONE has a game perfectly designed for them, so stop treating it like a game where it is required to keep EVERY SINGLE PERSON completely happy or it's a bad game. That's just stupid.

@viperishemu2992 @SaltyLily627925

You guys are assuming that arena was made to stop PvPers from going to adventure mode and to give them a way to fight people. That's not what arena was made for, it is made to be a version of SOT that allows you quicker fights and specifically ship vs ship battles without the need for spending an hour to go find a ship and then fight them. There are 2 different kinds of PvPers who play this game. PvPers who want ship vs ship battles, PvP, cannon fighting, and sinking other ships, (arena) And then you have adventure mode PvPers, these people are playing adventure mode because they can steal loot. They aren't playing adventure because they want to fight other people or because they want to get into a cannon battle, they mostly do it because they want the loot on board.

@ViperishEmu2992 Idea of: Rare's attempt to lead their PvP base away so they could get away with introducing a PvE Mode sooner didn't work. Is wrong because you're assuming that that's what Arena was made for, to lure the PvPers away. Like Rare has said MANY TIMES:

Developers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_yrN70591Q&feature=youtu.be&t=3681

Developers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_yrN70591Q&feature=youtu.be&t=3578

Rare clearly wants to keep the game as one where ALL player types can play together, and right now there are hundreds of thousands of people who agree. So what incentive does Rare have to add a PvE only mode when if they do it will kill the game, and not that many people want it in the first place.

@KaiJoi
Yes, I read a bit of that stuff you write here, but it bores me since it gives nothing remotely related to the topic and the angry random rumbling of some random dude is not of much interest for me.
And the thread tried to suggest one way to better the situation, it did just one final mistake: it deviated from the only allowed opinion on these forums the streamer bubble tells the player.

Oh, and then the best part is this:

@kaijoi said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

Rare clearly wants to keep the game as one where ALL player types can play together, and right now there are hundreds of thousands of people who agree. So what incentive does Rare have to add a PvE only mode when if they do it will kill the game, and not that many people want it in the first place.

You know what I like with Sea of Thieves on Steam now? It delivers numbers and your hundreds of thousands of players boil down to at best concurrent: 66,906.

You want some other numbers?
No Man's Sky
212,613
Farming Simulator 19
59,466
Dead by Daylight
77,341
Ark: Survival Evolved
157,400
Grand Theft Auto V
364,548
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
1,308,963

And now, do you know of the streaming platform Mixer? It belonged to Microsoft, they scrapped it because of its meaninglessness in raw numbers. Oh, and by the way: only Ark: Survival Evolved, Grand Theft Auto V, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive fits into your description, is it not funny?

@mewgarb Right, I had totally forgot that every single person playing on xbox/microsoft store versions for 2+ years all switched to steam.

Come back when you have stats of the whole player base. We will wait!

@mewgarb

Yes, I read a bit of that stuff you write here, but it bores me since it gives nothing remotely related to the topic and the angry random rumbling of some random dude is not of much interest for me.

If you truly read it and not just looked it over, you would've realized that it does have topics relating to the situation. And you trying to belittle what I had to say by saying: the angry random rumbling of some random dude is not of much interest for me. is stupid if you are actually trying to make your point be known.

Here you said:

Sorry, try out Atlas for once and leave your SoT bubble with its streamers telling you otherwise.

Suggesting that I am just a fanboy of all the SOT twitch streamers and have no mind of my own to make my own decisions, thoughts, or opinions, and can't actually have some sort of argument of my own. I then asked: What are the streamers telling me that I was wrong about? And you replied saying,

And the thread tried to suggest one way to better the situation, it did just one final mistake: it deviated from the only allowed opinion on these forums the streamer bubble tells the player.

One, you never answered my question (is it not funny) Second, another way to tell your version of what you're trying to say is to say that the person who started this thread had a problem with the fact that the game he bought KNOWING it had PvP is now mad that the game he bought that he KNEW had PvP, has PvP and fighting. So he came up with a solution by saying that we should add PvE only servers, and to change the core of the game and forget that this game is MEANT to be a game with PvPvE.

My entire post was dedicated to explaining WHY adding a PvE only server is bad, and why it would kill the game, and the reasoning behind why things are the way they are. What about that isn't, but it bores me since it gives nothing remotely related to the topic? I never belittled you, I gave you facts and reasons for why things are the way they are, and all you did was insult me.

It bores me since it gives nothing remotely related to the topic and the angry random rumbling of some random dude is not of much interest for me.

As for you saying, "it deviated from the only allowed opinion on these forums I assume you mean that people who say we should add PvE servers are being suppressed and told that their opinion is wrong, you're right. Because you didn't read my post as to WHY adding PvE only servers is wrong, and the reasons behind why it won't be added, I'll just give you clips directly from the developer's mouth.

Developers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_yrN70591Q&feature=youtu.be&t=3578

Developers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_yrN70591Q&feature=youtu.be&t=3681

So whether you want to be upset at me for relaying information that the developers have said, or the fact that I'm on the side of the majority, or that I'm on the side of facts because I realize and have shown you that adding a PvE only server will kill the game, doesn't even matter, because at the end of the day the developers make the decisions. And right now the developers do not want this game to have a PvE only server, and there are hundreds of thousands of players who agree with this statement.

You know what I like with Sea of Thieves on Steam now? It delivers numbers and your hundreds of thousands of players boil down to at best concurrent: 66,906.

First off, those concurrent players are talking about in a 24 hours period. Secondly, when I said hundreds of thousands of people, I don't mean that there are 200,000 players playing this game concurrently for a 24 hour period. Not everyone plays this game every single day, some people only play on the weekends. And you're assuming that I'm ONLY talking about people playing in a 24 hours period. Do you think that there were 66,906 people playing for 24 hours straight? No, people don't do that, some people would leave, and others would take their spot. Steam only counts the amount of people playing at 1 time, not every single person that logs in in that 24 hour period.

So that 66,906 max player population is talking about a 24 hours period, the maximum amount of people on at one time, not the total amount of people who played the game. AND EVEN IF YOU IGNORE ALL OF THAT, steam doesn't take into account the 2 million+ copies of the game that were bought on the Microsoft store and on Xbox. And this game has more copies bought from the Microsoft store and Xbox combined then all of the steam copies. Which means that you better double the number of max players AT LEAST, to even come close to the total amount of people playing at 1 time.

And finally, when I said hundreds of thousands of players, I didn't mean all in 1 day. I meant hundreds of thousands of players who consistently play the game per week. Not everyone can play per day, and the average amount of players per day (at one specific time) is around 16-20,000 players on at 1 time. That's not even counting the total amount of people playing per week or per month, that's just 1 number for 1 specific time.

And now, do you know of the streaming platform Mixer? It belonged to Microsoft, they scrapped it because of its meaninglessness in raw numbers.

They scrapped it because it wasn't popular. Mixer didn't get removed because it had millions of people watching it like Twitch did, it got scrapped because there wasn't anybody watching mixer because people would rather watch twitch. It didn't get scrapped because of, "raw numbers," It got scrapped because those, "raw numbers" were terrible.

The problem with what you said is that you didn't really argue any of my points. You just read a TINY amount of things I quoted, and didn't argue anything else. I said this:

Rare clearly wants to keep the game as one where ALL player types can play together, and right now there are hundreds of thousands of people who agree. So what incentive does Rare have to add a PvE only mode when if they do it will kill the game, and not that many people want it in the first place.

But you only argued the un-bolded part. You didn't answer my question of WHY Rare should add a PvE only mode when it would kill the game and not many people want it it the first place. You are only arguing points you think you can win, and forget about everything else I said just so you can fixate one thing.

If you truly want to have a conversation please include EVERY single one of my arguments, questions, and complaints in this post and the 4 posts above it. If you don't even attempt to answer my questions then there is no point in continuing the conversation, as you are just trying to stay in the right by avoiding any topic that you are wrong in. That's no way to fix problems or a way to convince someone that they're wrong.

@bloodybil said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@mewgarb Right, I had totally forgot that every single person playing on xbox/microsoft store versions for 2+ years all switched to steam.

Come back when you have stats of the whole player base. We will wait!

I have PC and I most certainily did not switch to steam, I am far too cheap to pay for the game again and all my money goes to the EA underlords for The Sims.

On another note who told the OP this is a PvE game? Its a PvpvE game.

@combatxkitty He was being sarcastic. @mewgarb was saying that there can't be hundreds of thousands of people who play this game (which is not true even if you don't take into account Xbox and Microsoft store purchases) But that because steam says there aren't hundreds of thousands of players on at one specific time in a 24 hour period, there can't be hundreds of thousands of people who play this game.

@BloodyBil was being sarcastic and saying that everyone from the Micrsoft store and xbox had switched over to steam, and so steam was tracking EVERYONE's gametime.

@kaijoi yes I know.

@lethality1

Every encounter is designed with player encounters in mind. Hell, the Fort of the Damned was intentionally designed to revive the concept of Skull Forts driving players to one spot.

I would argue that many of the encounters would not make any sense in a hypothetical PvE server.

Anyway, PvE servers would not work for Sea of Thieves. Private Serves (without progression) are coming soon enough, so you will have those to go to.

@xatencio6729 said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@snookr90 said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@xatencio6729 u can still whinning , or get better in this game.. u never get ur pve server cuz Rare didnt want a PVE Game..

i love to sink ppl like u <3

Actually, you want to know another problem for solo players? Discord. If I'm going against a team on Discord and a player has managed to tuck on my ship, he can freely talk and strategize with his crewmates and I can't hear him.

That's out-of-game help that gives teams an unfair in-game advantage over solo players. If they were somehow forced to communicate ONLY in-game, they'd either have to talk where I can hear them or they couldn't communicate with each other as easily.

Rare can not force people to talk in game and not use other means of communication. I see alot of complaints from people about unfair advantages but this one takes the pegleg.

I use Skype to communicate with my crew mate and there is nothing Rare can do about it.

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@chronodusk said in It's a PvE game without PvE servers...:

@lethality1

Every encounter is designed with player encounters in mind. Hell, the Fort of the Damned was intentionally designed to revive the concept of Skull Forts driving players to one spot.

I would argue that many of the encounters would not make any sense in a hypothetical PvE server.

Anyway, PvE servers would not work for Sea of Thieves. Private Serves (without progression) are coming soon enough, so you will have those to go to.

Sorry, why again would they not work for Sea of Thieves? What makes it this unholy ground? PvE works fine in other games, in fact games far more popular than Sea of Thieves.

Bookmark this thread. PvE servers, with progression, WILL come.

Everyone already told you why it wouldn't work but you choose to ignore what others are saying and you choose to stay in your own little world where you're right and everyone else is wrong. You're not encouraging any kind of discussion, you're just saying your opinion out loud until it becomes true or someone agrees with you.
Grow up a little.

EDIT: I also want to add a little something. One year ago, you insulted me and categorised me as toxic during a healthy discussion just because I said that I liked the PVP part in this game. You have a long record of not being OK with the PVP in SOT and I know for a fact that trying to have a healthy and interesting debate with you is a lost cause.
Maybe, just maybe it is time for you to realise that this game is not for you.