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Double gun still exist
Macros aren't often required for the DGE, they're for more complex combinations than that. You can be incredibly fast with normal controls, with a M&K or controller.
@TargasBR Macros are just recordings of Key inputs. Meaning you need to perform the key combination to record it to begin with. So you never needed macros and macros were never really the problem since any player with practice would be able to do this as consistently as macros.
@Aithemed do you know what is happening that they can shoot the second gun faster?
@ultmateragnarok said in Double gun still exist:
Macros aren't often required for the DGE, they're for more complex combinations than that. You can be incredibly fast with normal controls, with a M&K or controller.
I do this with a joystick, but the problem is not the technique, It's the noobs that need macros to do the same effect.
Well, I just saw that to do the double gun you now havce to cancel the animation once the second gun is pulled. Which makes me wonder if Rare does any testing at all since this took double gun players 2 seconds to find out.
Again, macros are only going to record the key presses. They don't aim the guns for you... But either way, Rare tried to Nerf this and completely failed.
@boomtownboss said in Double gun still exist:
@TargasBR Macros are just recordings of Key inputs. Meaning you need to perform the key combination to record it to begin with. So you never needed macros and macros were never really the problem since any player with practice would be able to do this as consistently as macros.
It is possible to make macros with command line, where you save the commands that will be used and the time that will be used. You don't need skill, just knowledge and/or a basic Google search.
@boomtownboss said in Double gun still exist:
Well, I just saw that to do the double gun you now havce to cancel the animation once the second gun is pulled. Which makes me wonder if Rare does any testing at all since this took double gun players 2 seconds to find out.
Again, macros are only going to record the key presses. They don't aim the guns for you... But either way, Rare tried to Nerf this and completely failed.
They don't aim, but they do the sequence of commands that gives the Double shot. Shoot - change weapon - run - shoot. All of this with a single button. You don't need the ability to press a button, but to do this technique on the joystick, you need.
@targasbr Yes, I don't need a macro recording to shoot-change weapons-run- and shoot. It's literally easy. So using a macro to do this isn't an advantage if I can do it as effectively as a macro anyway. The problem with double gun is Rare tried to nerf it and... well they did't!
Are you just saying there's an advantage that PC users can macro and xbox cannot? That that's a valid argument! But This was supposed to be nerfed out of the game and wasn't. So I think we both agree there.@boomtownboss said in Double gun still exist:
@targasbr Yes, I don't need a macro recording to shoot-change weapons-run- and shoot. It's literally easy. So using a macro to do this isn't an advantage if I can do it as effectively as a macro anyway. The problem with double gun is Rare tried to nerf it and... well they did't!
Are you just saying there's an advantage that PC users can macro and xbox cannot? That that's a valid argument! But This was supposed to be nerfed out of the game and wasn't. So I think we both agree there.Rare specializes in saying that they are solving a bug and after half an hour the bug is still there
@targasbr Well, considering they effectively nerfed the sword I say they specialize in sabotaging their own product!
@betsill said in Double gun still exist:
I see no problem here. Get over the fact that people like to use 2 guns instead of a sword...
Using 2 guns is not the problem, using an animation cancelling exploit to effectively fire 2 shots simultaneously is.
@dlchief58 Animation cancelling isn't an exploit. It's essential to make the game flow better. That was NOT simultaneous that was almost a full second between shot's. You people need to calm down.
@betsill said in Double gun still exist:
@dlchief58 Animation cancelling isn't an exploit. It's essential to make the game flow better. That was NOT simultaneous that was almost a full second between shot's. You people need to calm down.
Excuse me but bypassing the game's animation is in fact an exploit. It is not designed to be that way thus by definition is EXPLOITING the game as you are working around the games intended design (which in this case is introducing a delay in switching weapons via an animation).
@dlchief58 You are clueless lol animation canceling is a part of (almost)every single video game in existence.
@betsill said in Double gun still exist:
@dlchief58 You are clueless lol animation canceling is a part of (almost)every single video game in existence.
Doesn't make it any less of an exploit. It is not designed by the developers and you are working around their programming, thus an exploit by sheer definition. You are using it to get around the natural delay in switching weapons, thus EXPLOITING the game for your advantage.
@dlchief58 said in Double gun still exist:
@betsill said in Double gun still exist:
@dlchief58 You are clueless lol animation canceling is a part of (almost)every single video game in existence.
Doesn't make it any less of an exploit. It is not designed by the developers and you are working around their programming, thus an exploit by sheer definition. You are using it to get around the natural delay in switching weapons, thus EXPLOITING the game for your advantage.
Rare designed the animation cancels. They control what you can and can't cancel out of... An actual exploit is something like sword launching.
@betsill said in Double gun still exist:
@dlchief58 said in Double gun still exist:
@betsill said in Double gun still exist:
@dlchief58 You are clueless lol animation canceling is a part of (almost)every single video game in existence.
Doesn't make it any less of an exploit. It is not designed by the developers and you are working around their programming, thus an exploit by sheer definition. You are using it to get around the natural delay in switching weapons, thus EXPLOITING the game for your advantage.
Rare designed the animation cancels. They control what you can and can't cancel out of... An actual exploit is something like sword launching.
LOL, then why are they working to remove this EXPLOIT? You are the clueless one, defending your cheating ways. And I think Rare knows more about what they are talking about than you do.
Sword launching was an exploit, but now considered a feature as it was popular and fun.
@dlchief58 said in Double gun still exist:
@betsill said in Double gun still exist:
@dlchief58 said in Double gun still exist:
@betsill said in Double gun still exist:
@dlchief58 You are clueless lol animation canceling is a part of (almost)every single video game in existence.
Doesn't make it any less of an exploit. It is not designed by the developers and you are working around their programming, thus an exploit by sheer definition. You are using it to get around the natural delay in switching weapons, thus EXPLOITING the game for your advantage.
Rare designed the animation cancels. They control what you can and can't cancel out of... An actual exploit is something like sword launching.
LOL, then why are they working to remove this EXPLOIT? You are the clueless one, defending your cheating ways. And I think Rare knows more about what they are talking about than you do.
Sword launching was an exploit, but now considered a feature as it was popular and fun.
NO!!! DON'T TAKE MY CHEATING WAYS!!! Idk if they think this is too fast(I certainly wouldn't say it is) but if they do it's called balancing. Exploits get removed.
@betsill Totally wrong here. The sword lunge is a side effect of the physics system. They liked it and decided to keep it in.
Animation cancelling is absolutely an exploit as the animation playing out for everyone is the intended design. Animation cancelling makes an action perform able way faster than it was intended to by design. Using exploits and claiming superior skill is just delusional justification. Exploiting is cheating, plain and simple.
It's doable without macro's sure. Macros can have time between button presses adjusted to be faster than humanely possible. Many of the people claiming they don't use a macro to do the instant double gun two shot yet seem to be nailing it with perfect accuracy every time are flat out lying.
@gutterangel said in Double gun still exist:
@betsill Totally wrong here. The sword lunge is a side effect of the physics system. They liked it and decided to keep it in.
Sword lunging is a side effect of a bug that causes the block code to not playing nice with the attack code which allows the player to bypass the intended limitations of lunging(being slowed and grounded) combined with the lack of a countermeasure put in place to stop momentum of players(since it is designed to stop on contact with terrain which you are supposed to remain in contact with while lunging).
Animation cancelling is absolutely an exploit as the animation playing out for everyone is the intended design. Animation cancelling makes an action perform able way faster than it was intended to by design.
Completely wrong, but idc. Believe what you want.
@aithemed This is why the only true solution to the exploit is to have a slot for melee and a slot for guns.
@entspeak said in Double gun still exist:
@aithemed This is why the only true solution to the exploit is to have a slot for melee and a slot for guns.
Yep. Since "Using 2 guns"=exploit.
@entspeak said in Double gun still exist:
@aithemed This is why the only true solution to the exploit is to have a slot for melee and a slot for guns.
so why should double gunners get punished for Rare not being able to code a game right?
All these people talking about exploits.
- using animation cancellations to fire a second gun is an exploit “
Who cares, most of you are just salty you can’t do it yourselves.
There are loads of “ exploits “ old and new in this game. People just love to talk about Double gunning, probably because they’ve been killed by someone doing it and are super salty. Possibly tried doing it themselves and just made themselves look stupid.
How about all the day/year one legends that used the Noah’s Arc technique the exploit the delivery of animals to one outpost?
Or the match making exploit that allows 15 people or so to bombard the servers to get 5 or 6 boats in one server.
Or the exploit wheee you can “speed run” Athenas by just taping chests and not even stopping, so as to cheat your way through a voyage to quickly get an Athens chest and Rep.
What about the exploit that allows players in an alliance to swap chests and get titles and commendations for what should be stealing?
I mean the list is endless. It’s all just a matter of perspective.
- using animation cancellations to fire a second gun is an exploit “
Tapping chests for the voyage completion isn't an exploit - the point of the voyage is to discover them all, past that it doesn't matter what you do with them. You can give them away, have them stolen, sell them, hide them on islands, sail them into the Shroud, whatever - the voyage doesn't ask for it.
@betsill nobody is saying “using 2 guns” is the exploit, if that was the thing that RARE considered the exploit the fix would be easy.
You say rare doesnt know what they are talking about, but next say they deliberately coded it like this... while they have been very clear about it actually being an exploit.
You not liking it doesnt mean it is any less of that what rare considers it being in their own game, there will be a time where the 2 gun insta shot issue will be abolished and then the people that think that they are oh so good in pvp because of the exploit will all of a sudden realise that it will become a whole lot harder without exploits.
Same as with the people that used the infinite sword combo animation canceling exploit that got removed a few months ago.
Double gun is just a bit harder to do. Yes I will use it to wipe out entire crews. But only when I am playing Solo and outnumbered. So I see it as more fair play than an exploit:)
So Rare have "fixed" nothing in 5 or 6 attempts?????
Conclusions......
A) Rare want to keep it in the game (just make it harder to do).
B) Rare are not very good at fixing things.It's either A or B.
I suspect the answer is A because otherwise Rare could easily just remove the double-gun load out option until they figured it out.
Ridiculous arguments some have.
Gaming the system is the new playing a game.
Oh wait not new, it was always the case, because some people cannot aproach things playfull anyway.
They need to perform rather than to play for fun.
Pitifull at best how the ones who cannot relax and need always to perform and brag with whatever cannot let go and play for fun.
When the fun playing only is to perform, then these people unlearned something.
See them loosing and you know what it is about them.
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