Over Achiever Sails for those of us who have already completed Conquering the Damned and Scourge of Brutal Bastions commendations the hard way.

@gatkong There is a difference. The original commendations we finished were much longer than what they were changed too. While FotDs are easier to get started/complete. It is a small change compared to when they nerfed year 1 commendations.

I think they should be added for the cursed goldhoarder chests. It’s insanely easy to do them now.

@captain-coel Thanks for your input. Changing from 18 waves of enemies to include fighting four bosses (all three Skeleton Lords: Mutinous Helmsmen, followed by the Two-faced Scoundrel and The Duchess simultaneously THEN fighting the Ashen Lord)... to a massively scaled down fight with only fighting one boss (just the Ashen Lord)... 10 times each is 40 bosses killed now cut to 10 bosses killed. 75% fewer bosses to fight! 75%! That's a HUGE cut in difficulty for the Forts of Fortune.

And for the FotD, collecting all six lights could take an hour or more chasing storms, looking for other players, etc, but doing the actual fort is about 10 minutes. The tedious part of FotD is wiped out. Also, having sought out another crew for the pink light telegraphed your intentions, so enemy crews had a significant heads-up to prepare to ambush the FotD. There's no longer a need to give other crews such a significant advanced notice a FotD is going up. The way it is now, by the time a crew sees the red skull in the sky and sail all the way over to it, you're likely done and getting out of there. FotD is just simply easy now.

I think the Over Achievers is warranted for either, and especially if you have both.

edited to fix my math.

@gatkong said in Over Achiever Sails for those of us who have already completed Conquering the Damned and Scourge of Brutal Bastions commendations the hard way.:

@captain-coel Thanks for your input. Changing from 18 waves of enemies to include fighting four bosses (all three Skeleton Lords: Mutinous Helmsmen, followed by the Two-faced Scoundrel and The Duchess simultaneously THEN fighting the Ashen Lord)... to a massively scaled down fight with only fighting one boss (just the Ashen Lord)... 50 times each is 200 bosses killed now cut to 50 bosses killed. 150 fewer bosses to fight! 150! That's a HUGE cut in difficulty for the Forts of Fortune.

So Scourge of Brutal Bastions is 10 completions not 50. It was 40 lords and is now 10. It was always easy, now its very easy.

And for the FotD, collecting all six lights could take an hour or more chasing storms, looking for other players, etc, but doing the actual fort is about 10 minutes. The tedious part of FotD is wiped out. Also, having sought out another crew for the pink light telegraphed your intentions, so enemy crews had a significant heads-up to prepare to ambush the FotD. There's no longer a need to give other crews such a significant advanced notice a FotD is going up. The way it is now, by the time a crew sees the red skull in the sky and sail all the way over to it, you're likely done and getting out of there. FotD is just simply easy now.

I think the Over Achievers is warranted for either, and especially if you have both.

Initially and for a long while, the hard light was white. Pink was easy enough to get by having your own crew kill you (yes it worked, then they patched it, and it still worked). Completing FOTD 50 times already has its own rewards, it doesnt need another.

I still dont see anything anywhere near as time consuming or tedious as finishing comms before they were nerfed in year 1.

Remember, back then level 50 voyages just gave you more loot, not better loot. Stuff floating in the seas, that wasnt a thing. We had 3 basic voyages, no emisary. The only world event was a normal fort that respawned every 3 hours. It was a very different and very empty game. Currently the game just gives you loot for doing nearly anything. Its easy to make 100k+ an hour, when those of us played in year 1, it was common to and hopeful to make more than 15k an hr or maybe get to 100k in an entire session. The tedium in year 1 was somethign special. All loot was valuable, cause i wanted to buy a 70k hull. As an example, it took me from 3/20/2018 till 4/23/2020 to go from setting sail to making my first 150k from gold hoarder. When I did it on an alt, I did in the opening session. Completing the commendatiosn you listed was always easy and barely tedius. Collecting 1000 captain chests when every piece of loot was important was a different level.

So still a hard pass from me.

Ok,

Just give them to anyone who finished fishing before we could see the name of the fish, too, then.

And doing all the tall tales before there were check/cheese points too?

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No these new changes don’t “deserve” the same amount of special cosmetic like the overachiever sails imho

If anyone think the very notion of "deserving" anything in a video game has any sense, that's their problem I guess....

My point was : Just give them to anyone at this point, cos' every update brought QoL changes that ultimately made the grind easier in retrospective. With such a sense of entitlement, people could realistically decide that any loot harpooned is kinda tainted since they struggled with no harpoons at the beginning, and "demand" that the game somehow aknowledge their "effort" of playing before an update.

It's all childish to me, either case. "Deserve". Lol. If anything turning in 1000 banana crates could at least reward one with a tinfoil hat, imo...

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@jolly-ol-yep well you can have that stance, but the OP made a comparison between the reason why the overachiever sails got given out back in Y1 and this new nerf. however that is comparing apples and oranges and thats what i made clear.

That's my point. It is not missing its comparison at all.

Something was harder and longer, and now it's not anymore. It's been the case many times.

It's not "comparing apples and oranges" at all, that's my whole point. It's comparing 10 apples with 1000 apples if you want, but OP's claim is legit imo. Yours too. Here's a suggestion to please you both : the over-over-achiever sails.

Random nitpick. This game's progression system is not just cosmetics (or skill.) they've made it a point that gold and progression doesn't give player advantage (better weapons that do more damage, etc.) But there ARE non-cosmetics locked behind progression.

The emmisary system requires a specific level in various factions. And that opens new gameplay experiences. One could even argue that grade V reapers have an advantage, and you have to progress on reapers to raise the emmisary.

Some voyage types are locked behind faction level. That's a new experience. Gold hoarder vaults. OoS ghost fleets. Merchant commodities.

While the OG athena voyages were just a Mashup of existing experiences, thieves haven runs introduced a specific risk/reward style (and I completed my Reaper commendation for collecting grade V athena flags because of them!) and LotV are something pretty unique, plus other new season 9 voyages that, while variants on a theme, are still unique new experiences. All locked behind being a pirate levens... Aka progression.

And while the curses have been the controversial content addition from season 8, new areas were also introduced that are locked behind progression. Which is also not cosmetic-based. It's a new experience and exploration area. And it seems rare has hinted that more will be done with the chronicle NPC on these areas.

So I reject that progression is just cosmetics. It's experiences. They are designed to not give direct PvP advantages, but they are still progression-based.

@jolly-ol-yep said in Over Achiever Sails for those of us who have already completed Conquering the Damned and Scourge of Brutal Bastions commendations the hard way.:

Here's a suggestion to please you both : the over-over-achiever sails.

LOL. I'm crying

@callmebackdraft

Doesn't change my point at all. It was harder and longer before and now it's not anymore.

It's still a question of "where" to draw the line that decides that this or that nerf should reward players that completed it before it was changed. You're just complaining because yes, it took you more time to "unlock" these over-achiever sails than it took the OP to do the 50 FotD the "old way", but that doesn't make their point invalid. They retrospectively "over-achieved" something in the SAME way you did, and in the same way I overachieved fishing (hence my 1st comment). And you know it very well. You're just gatekeeping as everyone is here.

I don't blame you or anything, all I'm saying is it's not you to decide where to draw that line, regardless of your attempt at justifying stuff that is just false (all you did to have these sails is to have "retrospectively wasted time", which is exactly the case of OP, apples and oranges or not)

Im fine with the idea of limited items returning with good reason, but "this is easier now and i did it the hard way before" is not a reason to bring something back. If they added something intended to be on par with the original requirements then maby, but this is not reasonable justification.

With the introduction of season nine they've nerfed just about everything. There's no way you can ever achieve Merchant Forager due to the fact that they never give any missions, no matter how many barrels you check. It sucks to see them make some of these things so easy now and other things you just can't even find the missions to complete. I hate being one of the people that has to say I did it the hard way. I do not have the sales and I did it the hard way.

@personalc0ffee They offered the sails when they nurfed the requirements the first time. Using the same logic since they nurfed the requirements again it would be justified to bring those sails back for those who completed the more difficult requirements during the last few years.

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Im fine with the idea of limited items returning with good reason, but "this is easier now and i did it the hard way before" is not a reason to bring something back.

Well what's the point of the over-achiever sails then ? They were made precisely for that reason.

Now if they didn't anticipate that people would ask for them every update that nerfs something, it's on them.

Still think they should give them to people who finished their crying chests pre-season 9.