The Dev's Intent argument

@natiredgals
Quite a long list, but I think you're mixing up things that weren't in the game a year ago with things the devs didn't intended to be in the game at all.

I personally don't mind changes to the game as long as it is still the game I paid money for with additions or improvements to the game and game-play (as it is a GAAS).

If someone would suggest, lets drain the ocean and go surf on wheels between the islands, can't blame posters here to tell that ... ingenious ... person to maybe start playing a different game.

I still do not like the idea of a snow biome.

@natiredgals said in The Dev's Intent argument:

@barnabas-seadog said in The Dev's Intent argument:

I still do not like the idea of a snow biome.

That's perfectly fine, I'm not terribly keen on it either, but I'd never tell someone they cant ask for it.

And me three.

But how about three or more new topics a day about islands in a Caribbean setting with snow and ice and other such stuff and people don't want to play with other people who like to sit on a sandy beach in the sun ;)

@natiredgals said in The Dev's Intent argument:

@lem0n-curry said in The Dev's Intent argument:

@natiredgals said in The Dev's Intent argument:

@barnabas-seadog said in The Dev's Intent argument:

I still do not like the idea of a snow biome.

That's perfectly fine, I'm not terribly keen on it either, but I'd never tell someone they cant ask for it.

And me three.

But how about three or more new topics a day about islands in a Caribbean setting with snow and ice and other such stuff and people don't want to play with other people who like to sit on a sandy beach in the sun ;)

As long as its not the same guy asking for it in separate threads I dont really care. I mean yea the search feature would be nice to be used but in reality that never happens on any forum so I've always thought that people shouting about it were really just saying "I somehow have no ability to not read things I dont like".

Search function ? The topics are right there on a recent topic list or on the front page of feedback. So they (a) don't bother with looking AT a forum they decide to partake in, (b) have the notion they are the first to come up with turning a multiplayer game into a solo experience or ... most likely (c) don't bother with forum rules or etiquette, don't like the responses in the countless other topics and start a new one, thinking that more, hardly up-voted topics, will sway the devs, or (d) use it to vent as they just got 'robbed' of an athena they wanted to turn in on an outpost with a galleon.

Deckhands and moderators should have stopped this behaviour IMHO a long time ago. Not only for things I disagree with, several topics about AI ships (and I like the addition of Skalleons) each day would've earned my disdain as well.

@natiredgals said in The Dev's Intent argument:

@lem0n-curry

Cool,
Myself, I don't care. Tho talking about threads is a bit a field from the actual OP.

The topic is, stop using "dev intent" as code for "I want to keep things the status qou" because dev intent has and will contintue to change.

Okay, I don't think I've ever used dev intent as an argument, but I certainly have agreed /upvoted with posters who use it as an argument. Not sure about all of the posters who I agree with , but to my knowledge they don't have a rigid stance that the game should stay exactly the way it.

Can't help to think, apologies if I'm mistaken, that this is YET another post about wanting PVE with a strawman argument.

The forum for suggestions does come off as rather Orwellian at times. All suggestions are equal, but some suggestions are more equal than others.

I for one feel anyone should be able to suggest whatever they like, without fear of repercussions or ridicule. If you like it, give it the thumbs-up - if you don’t, just move on, no need to blather on about why it is a bad idea. The thumbs-down option is missing for a reason. And who made it that way? The devs.

@arsigi said in The Dev's Intent argument:

If you like it, give it the thumbs-up - if you don’t, just move on, no need to blather on about why it is a bad idea.

"Agree with my idea, or shut up. Please do not point out the flaws in it's reasoning."

@blazedrake100 said in The Dev's Intent argument:

@natiredgals
People have the right to ask for things, but other people have the right to say what they think about those ideas. That's why it's a forum, not just an email to rare. I rarely say don't ask for something, unless there's another thread about it on the first page or a megathread. Rare also doesn't need to always listen to feedback either.

Agreed, this is a discussion forum, people have the right to propose any idea they feel like, no matter how "special" it might be. People have the right to discuss those ideas and give their feedback as much as they want too. It's unfortunate if people take it personal when their ideas are rebuked, I suppose they have to grow some skin, you will not always be agreed with in life.

Whatever the topic might be, any hourly reoccurring thread will become annoying in the long run. That's what people are sick of, but it seems to be quite an ordeal to understand.

I wouldn't want to see 5 threads a day asking for something I want, 1 is enough especially if it's been well engaged with already. No need to repeat the same arguments people already gave over and over. Posting your argument 10 times doesn't make it 10 times more valid, nor does rebuking it 10 times make it less. It makes everyone run around in circle parroting the same things and breaking each other's ears.

The more you post about something, the less receptive people become of it. But by all means, keep posting more:

• "Hahaha I knooow there must be 100000 posts about this idea but here's mine ^_^"

• "Lol brooo here comes the hordes of people coming to disagree with you! Wait for it!! 🤣

• "Hahaha I knooow there must be 100001 posts about this idea but here's mine again ^_^"

@natiredgals said in The Dev's Intent argument:

@bloodybil

Yea I don't really care about that. I'm pretty good at ignoring threads that I dont care about, even if its like the 5th one in the same hour.

But again, thats not really what this thread is about. Its really about illustrating how silly the people telling others they cant ask for the devs to change "the vision" of the game due to how much its already changed.

Fair enough, to stay on topic, the only item in your list that the devs genuinely had said "no", that they changed their mind because of demand, was the AI ships, all the rest had never been addressed specifically. None of them were "not mean't to be in the game". The ships were also requested universally. See the difference?

Furthermore, all the items in your list are elements that the whole community can enjoy, none of them were made to cater to a specific portion of the community over another.

Your list covers additions to the game that does not change the fundamental concept of PVE+PVP either.

@natiredgals said in The Dev's Intent argument:

@bloodybil

I know you want to nitpick, but really we have no indications that many of those changes were ever going to be in the live game like closed crews. That was a post launch update, and of the kind of thing you'd expect to be a thing on launch if it was gonna be.

Not nitpicking, you lump together features that had never been brought up before with a single one where Rare did ended up changing their mind. You then claim that since they changed their mind on aaaall those (1), they will most likely change on this too.

I'm not really up for looking for it but I'd swear I remember them saying in some video that they had not intended on a 3 man ship. I'm sticking with that one for sure.

Okay then, if you get the source on that let me know.

as far as PVE/PVP goes that something hasn't happened yet doesn't mean that it cant. I mean if that were the case we wouldnt have made the progress we made with Crossplay.

Indeed, it doesn't mean it can't, doesn't mean it will either. In the case of crossplay, it doesn't change the core of the game in the sense where even if you decide to stay xbox controller only, you will still encounter both PVE and PVP in the intended shared world.

@bloodybil said in The Dev's Intent argument:

@arsigi said in The Dev's Intent argument:

If you like it, give it the thumbs-up - if you don’t, just move on, no need to blather on about why it is a bad idea.

"Agree with my idea, or shut up. Please do not point out the flaws in it's reasoning."

Ha, fair enough, but that was not really my intent. Honest debate and discussion is of course fine, but what we were talking about here (originally) was people in effect saying “you should not even be allowed to suggest XYZ, because it does not coincide with my outsider’s opinion of what the developers original intent was”. Those were the posts to which I was referring, rather poorly.

@natiredgals there is a difference between game mechanics balance, content and adjustments that change the style of pirating.

Everything is up for debate, but the core vision of a shared world in which we are free roaming pirates must not be forgotten. That experience can grow, but we want it to remain true to its original purpose and design, to be expanded on not morph. So it can keep giving the same experience it has and what drew us in.

@arsigi said in The Dev's Intent argument:

@bloodybil said in The Dev's Intent argument:

@arsigi said in The Dev's Intent argument:

If you like it, give it the thumbs-up - if you don’t, just move on, no need to blather on about why it is a bad idea.

"Agree with my idea, or shut up. Please do not point out the flaws in it's reasoning."

Ha, fair enough, but that was not really my intent. Honest debate and discussion is of course fine, but what we were talking about here (originally) was people in effect saying “you should not even be allowed to suggest XYZ, because it does not coincide with my outsider’s opinion of what the developers original intent was”. Those were the posts to which I was referring, rather poorly.

All good, I've seen people go in frenzy in the past about how they were being under attack on their ideas and opinion, taking things super personal over a simple disagreement.

People of course have every right to give their opinions and suggestions on any subject, being something intended or not by the devs. What people seem to be sensible about is when those ideas are analysed and debunked, then they ignore rebuttal arguments because it was not the feedback they wanted and repost it over and over again hoping to have the "correct" feedback.

The devs never intended for you to post this thread.
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#sarcasm

I can remember Rares response to changes as, if it makes the game better.
Specifically about the AI skelly ships.

I was against pvp modes, fishing, and cooking.
Yet I can't deny those additions make SoT a better experience.

These days I'm content just to see what happens next.