Well it does make the set feel less special. Pretty much everyone these days is running around with the gloves and shoes. I always think "oh good, high level players in this crew", which is wrong most of the time.
Also I find it a bit weird seeing people who are done with the legendary content, even though they are not legends yet. What do they have left to do once they reach it? Nothing.
@guepard4 no that's part of reaching level 50.....but acting like you are better or more special just because you have them is, but noone does. The tone here is definitely Athena voyages should be for PL only whether it's the rewards you are access too from completing then outside of being PL or the fact that non PL can do Athena Voyages.strikethrough text
If you are completing Athena Voyages and earn the ranks to access the gear you still need a PL to give you access to PL area to purchase them.
Bottom line is, there is nothing special about being PL, nothing special about doing Athena Voyages pre PL status and zero special about wearing Athena gear pre PL status in my humble opinion.
Everybody will get there eventually. Want something really exclusive, buy the SoT Xbox controller for the in-game items what will never be available in the game to buy 👍
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@guepard4 no that's part of reaching level 50.....but acting like you are better or more special just because you have them is, but noone does. The tone here is definitely Athena voyages should be for PL only whether it's the rewards you are access too from completing then outside of being PL or the fact that non PL can do Athena Voyages.
strikethrough textIf you are completing Athena Voyages and earn the ranks to access the gear you still need a PL to give you access to PL area to purchase them.
Bottom line is, there is nothing special about being PL, nothing special about doing Athena Voyages pre PL status and zero special about wearing Athena gear pre PL status in my humble opinion.
Everybody will get there eventually. Want something really exclusive, buy the SoT Xbox controller for the in-game items what will never be available in the game to buy 👍
No one said that this customizations make you be special. If you think that, maybe you should go to the doctor.
@guepard4 oh no you are accusing me of having mental health issues?
Awesome bless you for caring about my well being, that is very kind of you, clearly you were giving lots of hugs growing up 👍
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@guepard4 oh no you are accusing me of having mental health issues?
Awesome bless you for caring about my well being, that is very kind of you, clearly you were giving lots of hugs growing up 👍
If you see things that doesn't exist, yeah. It is not accusing. It is like having fever and say "are you acusing of having flu?". Mental health issues is not an insult.
PS: I won't answer again to you. You are destroying this topic.
@blindnev said in please level lock athena gear.:
Well it does make the set feel less special. Pretty much everyone these days is running around with the gloves and shoes. I always think "oh good, high level players in this crew", which is wrong most of the time.
Also I find it a bit weird seeing people who are done with the legendary content, even though they are not legends yet. What do they have left to do once they reach it? Nothing.
Yeah it's pretty exciting content...
That was sarcasm.
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There are low levels already at lvl 10 athena and they dont even need to reach pirate legend to equip it.
And why my low lvl gunner cant wear like all the crew only for not buying the game at the same time if she's just better than half my crew shooting? Just because she dont picked enough white chikens?
The thing is that everyone, not just your low level gunner, can do it by just joining a crew which is doing athenas voyages.
By the last thing you said, I could also say “I’m better than the majority of legends so the game needs to deposit me a million gold as legends have even more”. There should be a path for gaining the stuff in an order.
And you can get to pirate legend by just joining a crew, just like the first pirate legend. Whats your point?
What’s yours? It’s easy to notice the difference, if you can get to pirate legend by joining a crew, you are not skipping steps.
Now, if you get to athenas max level by joining a crew before becoming pirate legend that means you are skipping steps, because athenas is after reaching pirate legend.
I guess you dont know how the first pirate legend came to be...
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I do love this debate... It always raises one ugly question (and a follow up)... a hard one to tackle...
If we're not locking stuff behind doors, how DO you make Pirate Legend feel special?
Pirate Legends get a title, access to the PL hideout, access to exclusive ship cosmetics and the ability to buy legendary voyages. This and only this is the reward for reaching level 50 on all factions. Since legendary voyages can be shared with non-legendary crews, I don't see any problems with them receiving the exact same reward for the voyages as they do a lot of work for it (sometimes even more than the actual PL). I think it would be unfair to strip them from the reputation as they did the same work.
Although I was surprised you could buy the gear as a non-PL, I don't see that much problems with it as it's just cosmetics. It's is still locked behind closed doors, however a PL can keep the door open for you. If you don't agree with people receiving the gear then don't let non-PL's in the hideout. Whatever your opinion about the gear is though, I doubt this will be changed because it has been like this from the start. Locking it now will definitely do more harm than good. I think moving forward will be more PL exclusive content especially once more people become PL.
How do you retain players at the higher end?
Remove "max level"
I think one of the problems is the "max level" that you currently have on all factions. Because of that level, there's a focus on reaching that and a feeling of "having finished the game". Although there is no real finish of this type of game, the rewards you get for doing the same voyages go from reputation and gold to just gold. With gold being something you'll already have a lot of after reaching that level, it doesn't offer much incentive to keep going.
Some possible solutions for that problem would be either continueing the levels to infinity or add some sort of grade system like the commendations starting from 1 again but for Grade II. The higher tiers could offer better rewards like extra gold for voyages, new titles, new cosmetics or even nicer looking variations of cosmetics you already received.
Add more variety for raising your levels
As I said, the max level is one of the problems. When you leveled your way up to 50/50/50/10 you've done every type of voyage so many times. Doing it once is already a chore, the idea of doing that again sounds even less fun to do.
Variety is the spice of life, so adding more varied ways of raising the numbers is very welcome. Be it in the form of different voyage types, different factions, random events or new areas. While the Bilge Rat adventures offer a bit of variation, it isn't a permanent thing.
Unique Legendary Content
Last but certainly not least, there needs to be content that has to be Pirate Legend only and isn't just variations of what you did before reaching it. It needs to be something nice that everyone would want and would be willing to work for.
I'm thinking about something like True Pirate Legend challenges, trials for the best of the best. After reaching PL, you get access to a huge list of challenges varying in difficulty and covering all aspects of the game. Each challenge rewards you with unique cosmetics, with the harder ones rewarding you with cosmetic options that non-PL cannot get. PL only cosmetics would be clothing options for rings, necklaces, piercings, face tattoos and ship cosmetics for cannons, wheel, mast, crowsnest, ropes, special hull or sail forms. The hook to do complete all these challenges would be to gain access to all types of cosmetics so others can see you're actually a legend and upon completing all challenges you'd get the title Pirate King and your ghostly image will be added to the Legendary Hideout and there can be only one king!
Just my suggestions as a non Legendary slacker :)
While I'm fine with cosmetics exclusive to legends, I'm not sure I like the idea of cosmetic slots exclusive to legends. At least stuff as basic as face paint, jewelry, etc.
Now if it was something like an aura or glowy eyes, that would be okay. And the further ship cosmetics seem fair too.
But not being able to put a ring on until I'm a Pirate Legend doesn't sit right with me.
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There are low levels already at lvl 10 athena and they dont even need to reach pirate legend to equip it.
And why my low lvl gunner cant wear like all the crew only for not buying the game at the same time if she's just better than half my crew shooting? Just because she dont picked enough white chikens?
The thing is that everyone, not just your low level gunner, can do it by just joining a crew which is doing athenas voyages.
By the last thing you said, I could also say “I’m better than the majority of legends so the game needs to deposit me a million gold as legends have even more”. There should be a path for gaining the stuff in an order.
And you can get to pirate legend by just joining a crew, just like the first pirate legend. Whats your point?
What’s yours? It’s easy to notice the difference, if you can get to pirate legend by joining a crew, you are not skipping steps.
Now, if you get to athenas max level by joining a crew before becoming pirate legend that means you are skipping steps, because athenas is after reaching pirate legend.I guess you dont know how the first pirate legend came to be...
Oh so you are talking literally about the first pirate legend? The guy who asked people to give him the stuff?
Those are separated issues, not because one issue is there, we are going to let another issue remains there.
Even, there’s obviously a huge difference between the amount of people who buys Athena’s skins skipping PL than the cases of people who does the stuff that the first pirate legend did.
If legends had to team up with other legends to work on Athen’s quests it would be horrible. One of the core concepts that I love about this game is that a friend joining our crew can participate no matter how long they have been playing. I get tired in other games creating another character just to play with one set of friends or another because each has progressed at different rates. With SoT, if my friends and I want to work on Athena’s quests, even a friend who just bought the game can join the crew rather than hearing, “sorry dude, we’re grinding rep today. You wont be able to join us on these for several weeks or months.”
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Easy! I think Rare is waiting for more Pirate Legends, now the Game Meta is, when Athena Voyage they are mostly only 1-2 Pirate Legends and 2 or 3 non Legends, cause Lack of PL‘s! In a few Weeks or in September with Forsaken Shores there many Pirate Legends outside and Rare gives a Pirate Legend Only Faction with Pirate Legend Rewards maybe to Reach Pirate Lord! In this new Faction you need a Full Pirate Legend Crew, 1,2,3 or 4, let’s say when a non legend is in your Crew you can’t lay down the new Faction Legendary Voyage and everything is OK and everybody forgetting this Athena discussion here :)
Having the pirate legend set tied to legend and then the Athena tied to just Athena makes perfect sense, if there wasn’t anything for non legends to get what would be the point of them even being able to share the quest..
The real problem here is a lack of variety in questing, there should be new ways to earn rep and more than one way to earn an Athena’s chest, and more things to be earned as you level, possibly with some Athena rewards being exclusive to legends.
This is a content problem as usual with this game. More variety and more rewards for reaching the end of the PL grind would make this less of an issue.
As is with it being literally all there is for endgame content, the same quests over and over and like 2 cosmetic sets... pretty underwhelming.
There was a cool post I saw around here once that showed what it might be like if the Pirate Legends were able to choose different color glows for Athena to differentiate themselves. The posts only mentioned 'red' glowing, but what if there were many different colors to open it up even more. Meaning if you are not 50/50/50 PL then you can only wear the 'green' (current) glowing Athena set. Etc.
From the 1.2.0 notes:
Ghost Ship Liveries - Pirate Legends can now purchase the Ghost Ship Sails, Hull, Figurehead and Flag from within the Hideout. These require varying levels of progression within Athena's Fortune to unlock.
We will see if this is true or everyone can buy it. But I find weird that some athena objects can be bought by everyone and this new ones no.
@guepard4 said in please level lock athena gear.:
From the 1.2.0 notes:
Ghost Ship Liveries - Pirate Legends can now purchase the Ghost Ship Sails, Hull, Figurehead and Flag from within the Hideout. These require varying levels of progression within Athena's Fortune to unlock.
We will see if this is true or everyone can buy it. But I find weird that some athena objects can be bought by everyone and this new ones no.
I hope something will at least require Pl lvl, like the Athena weapons if they do release them
