Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.

Haha 85gb is too big he says. Hahahaha

Guess you never played a big top popular game? CoD, halo, overwatch. Etc

@lord-spark-0 85gb is about 5$ worth of SSDs right now for the more economy classed SATA ssds. Its about 1$ in old school 7200 RPM HDD. Even for gen 4x4 NVME drives its only about 10$ worth of space.

The issue for consoles is a bit different, with the Microsoft expansion drives for the series X|S being about 17$ worth of storage because of proprietary drives.

I dont see 85gb as a problem for game size. The only consideration I could see being a viable option would be to have a low and high res(optional) package to download the game. One for those who play at 1080 and one for those who want more.

But again, I dont view 85gb as a problem, I often switch between builds if I want to check things in the Microsoft or the Steam version and just download it quickly and check. My pc also has 4tb of ssd and 5tb of hdd. What device do you play on?

@lord-spark-0 said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

@captain-coel said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

@lord-spark-0 85gb is about 5$ worth of SSDs right now for the more economy classed SATA ssds. Its about 1$ in old school 7200 RPM HDD. Even for gen 4x4 NVME drives its only about 10$ worth of space.

The issue for consoles is a bit different, with the Microsoft expansion drives for the series X|S being about 17$ worth of storage because of proprietary drives.

I dont see 85gb as a problem for game size. The only consideration I could see being a viable option would be to have a low and high res(optional) package to download the game. One for those who play at 1080 and one for those who want more.

But again, I dont view 85gb as a problem, I often switch between builds if I want to check things in the Microsoft or the Steam version and just download it quickly and check. My pc also has 4tb of ssd and 5tb of hdd. What device do you play on?

I guess you're overlooking the fact that the game has less to offer but requires significantly more storage space than AAA titles out there..

The game has content that I don't ever want to play anymore like the TT's or Pirates Life. The Maiden Voyage is a 1 time only thing and I'm sure thats a couple Gig's in itself..

What device do I play on, a 860 Samsung Evo. 3 Years ago I think I got it for 200 bucks. But whats the purpose of your question?

The fact that you're pricing in $5 dollars for storage space as an argument is ridiculous. This isn't a money issue... and if it was, you're still not looking at the fact that you need all the accessories like a CPU/GPU (or Console for console players), and to purchase a full price of the actual storage unit (because you're not going to just use 85 gigs on 1 drive..).. which you left out..

I would assume you would use the drive for more than just Sea of Thieves. But even still, it remains that storage is cheap, and getting cheaper for high speed storage as well.

But anyways.

Is anyone on here actually here to give feedback? Or I guess people can not actually be critical about the game without this nonsense from the community..

Also did you not read my whole post? I called out an easy opportunity for storage to be scaled based on desired game play graphics. Imagine you are chasing someone down and you dont have the Tall Tales installed, and they head to Shores of Gold, what then? You might not have the intention on going there, but they are a part of the world in some manner. I think there might be an oppurtunity to scale the size, but not by cutting installed content.

@lord-spark-0 said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

I would assume you would use the drive for more than just Sea of Thieves. But even still, it remains that storage is cheap, and getting cheaper for high speed storage as well.

Of course. The point is 85gigs for a game like SoT isn't warranted and I would like to include other things on my disk than search for another SDD because some troll on the SoT forum wanted to try to argue for 5$ storage (which is ridiculous).

Nice flex btw?

Also did you not read my whole post? I called out an easy opportunity for storage to be scaled based on desired game play graphics. Imagine you are chasing someone down and you dont have the Tall Tales installed, and they head to Shores of Gold, what then? You might not have the intention on going there, but they are a part of the world in some manner. I think there might be an oppurtunity to scale the size, but not by cutting installed content.

I did read your whole post and broke it down. Did you not read my reply to your post?

And a simple solution to the problem you presented, you can't cross into the red/zone in the NE map with loot on board a ship. Then the chase is useless..
TT's are not needed in the open world sandbox. They are barely used. And the steam achievements numbers prove that they are not played by the larger audience (or at least in its entirety).

The question is what purpose do they serve players that have all the achievements and have done the story?

A lot of AAA games now are giving players the options to add DLC or content into the base game. I think TT's and Pirates Life would be perfect for that (even as their own singleplayer/coop) without the sandbox..

Again, I dont think SoT is too big. Good Storage is cheap. Cheap storage is very very cheap. I have games on my pc from 6gb to 157gb. SoT is the the 3rd largest. You're just being cheap about dropping in other storage into your computer and thats fine. But Sea of Thieves isnt too big.

@lord-spark-0 Note that also a lot of AAA games get used up in a year or two then get on to the next shiny sequel AAA games with more dlc costs to entirely cut the consumer out of the picture with pricing. SoT may not be free but it is cheap and gives free updates that allow anyone to try even some of the older stuff like tall tales.

I think the argument here on storage space cuts things out that are still being tracked and used currently. It would require a big revamp of where tall tales end up since there's whole places dedicated to them and tracking for any trinkets and other rewards being behind dlc too. There would be a lot of work and mess to go through to even start the process.

@lord-spark-0 said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

@captain-coel said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

@lord-spark-0 said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

I would assume you would use the drive for more than just Sea of Thieves. But even still, it remains that storage is cheap, and getting cheaper for high speed storage as well.

Of course. The point is 85gigs for a game like SoT isn't warranted and I would like to include other things on my disk than search for another SDD because some troll on the SoT forum wanted to try to argue for 5$ storage (which is ridiculous).

Nice flex btw?

Also did you not read my whole post? I called out an easy opportunity for storage to be scaled based on desired game play graphics. Imagine you are chasing someone down and you dont have the Tall Tales installed, and they head to Shores of Gold, what then? You might not have the intention on going there, but they are a part of the world in some manner. I think there might be an oppurtunity to scale the size, but not by cutting installed content.

I did read your whole post and broke it down. Did you not read my reply to your post?

And a simple solution to the problem you presented, you can't cross into the red/zone in the NE map with loot on board a ship. Then the chase is useless..
TT's are not needed in the open world sandbox. They are barely used. And the steam achievements numbers prove that they are not played by the larger audience (or at least in its entirety).

The question is what purpose do they serve players that have all the achievements and have done the story?

A lot of AAA games now are giving players the options to add DLC or content into the base game. I think TT's and Pirates Life would be perfect for that (even as their own singleplayer/coop) without the sandbox..

Again, I dont think SoT is too big. Good Storage is cheap. Cheap storage is very very cheap. I have games on my pc from 6gb to 157gb. SoT is the the 3rd largest. You're just being cheap about dropping in other storage into your computer and thats fine. But Sea of Thieves isnt too big.

And there it is.
Its not that we can talk about the game size at 85 gigs and other games like Elden Ring with way more in it at 47 gigs... nono.
I'm just too cheap to buy more storage.. /s

Why even both posting on this thread with your nonsense? If you think its not big thats one thing.. but clearly you ran out of any sense and want to attack the messenger.
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You called me a troll, so throwing the first insult was on you, yes you're being cheap. Sure Elden ring is 47gb. Forza 5 is is 120ish. Flight Sim is 150ish. Your point? game sizes are different and assets require different amounts of storage.

Elden ring reused many assets, and that shows during game play and clearly in storage. Sorry you think SoT is too big, but many AAA games are in the 60-100gb range. There is a failure in the mindset that 1tb is alot of storage, when in reality its not.

I'm not trying to attack the messenger, I just think your message is wrong, and I'm not sure I am the one who ran out of sense. Just go buy another ssd and make your life easier. Besides, if SoT size is filling your drive so much that it's bordering full, you're slowing it down. SSDs aren't meant to be kept full.

Laughs in Forza Horizon...

You're forgetting the sheer amount of salt that has to be stored somewhere lol.. 85.5G is big but not worth getting worked up about in these days of cheap storage and fast internet. It's all relative..

Have you ever tried MFS2020 with all the world updates

@lassidagreat laptops are easy to upgrade storage. Sorry but it's the truth. Just like the OP your friends are being cheap/lazy about it.

The days of game fitting on disks is over.
The days of small games is over.
As we push 4k and 8k assets games will continue to balloon in size. Thankfully storage is cheap.

The type of modular content you are asking for really has to be built into the game from the beginning, otherwise you are playing Jenga with the code.

Now, they did do a total rebuild for the first anniversary, to make updates more streamlined, but how that translates to content being easily opted-out of is anyone's guess.

There may be some optimisations they could make, but I would say a more reasonable expectation would be optional quality on assets and opting out of language packs besides your preferred language.

It's also worth noting that neither of the examples you gave are Unreal Engine 4 games, and there may be some limitations with what they can do there. The fact they have a UE4 game running on PC without massive shader compilation stutter every time you encounter new content is a miracle in itself.

@lord-spark-0 said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

@lafrules said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

Have you ever tried MFS2020 with all the world updates

No. But I can google and see roughly 127 gigs for almost a full scale representation of our planet Earth for players to fly in with lots of breath taking assets and detailed images..

vs...

Sot..

With 18 square KM (5 years ago this was the calculations based off of the Beta map - so Devils Roar might add a few more Kms) of assets in a stylized cartoony look (which I love btw but you get the idea..))

Great example..

That 127 gigs is not the entire game. Most assets in MSFS are streamed in from the cloud. The actual game is petabytes in size.

The game most propably has assets repeated multiple times in order to make load times faster on old systems with only a HDD. The HDD doesnt have to look far for the assets as they are repeated closer to each other, making the load times slightly more bearable.

The same reason Warzone 1 was 120 gigs and Warzone 2.0 (not on older systems) is 20 gigs.

@lord-spark-0

I didn't say it was a good example. You said you googled the size and it was 127GB (which is the install size). You used it as a point of comparison in your reply to lafrules. I was merely correcting that number, as that's not the correct value for the whole game.

@lord-spark-0 said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

You do realize having all the TT assets in the game world being unused makes the game less optimized for performance. As Rare continues to add on to the game world and these things are unused, the server FPS goes down. Plain and simple.

The server has to track the entire server all at once.

Notice how ship counts went from 6 to 5? And Rare has been silent about changing this up and have been struggling just to get back to 6....

Because they have bloated content. Many veterans have played or have done playing with them. If you look at the achievements in Xbox and Steam, you can clearly see that many of the TT's and Pirate's Life contents haven't been used at all by the larger audience.

But you continue to keep coming back with the nonsense of 'buy another ssd' argument. And no, you're implication of calling me out as cheap was the first insult. And you know it.. but anyways..

You're disregarding what Rare ought to be doing, is cleaning-up the game code..

Cleaning up the code might be the ticket back to a 6th ship, but the game is not to big. Tall tale engagement was always low, even when they were brand new the percentages were super low. I would love for the 6th ship to come back, but even if you dont have the assets at hand, the game will still be tracking it all.

Again adding storage has been the answer to this question for a very long time. Take things like the N64, which had memory cards to store saved game info, that was 1996. You either picked up another card or had to delete stored info. That was 26 years ago. In the PC space, adding more drive space has been the answer for a long time. I remember adding a new HDD to the family computer in 1998?ish because the 1.4gb drive was too small, we upgraded to a very large 20gb drive. Look around you. Adding space is the correct answer, for games like SoT and everything else. The Switch uses MicroSD cards, the Series S|X uses expansion cards, the ps5 used gen4x4 nvme drives, the steamdeck uses MicroSD cards, and PCs have the most flexibility with HDDs, Sata SSDs, and Nvme SSDs. Your problem with SoT's size, is a problem with the industry right now. All the device makers expect you to add storage or delete things if you are full. Its just how it is.

I'm done here. I cant beat my point any more, and you are on the opposite side of it. I wish you well on Seas.

@lord-spark-0 said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

@captain-coel said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

@lord-spark-0 said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

You do realize having all the TT assets in the game world being unused makes the game less optimized for performance. As Rare continues to add on to the game world and these things are unused, the server FPS goes down. Plain and simple.

The server has to track the entire server all at once.

Notice how ship counts went from 6 to 5? And Rare has been silent about changing this up and have been struggling just to get back to 6....

Because they have bloated content. Many veterans have played or have done playing with them. If you look at the achievements in Xbox and Steam, you can clearly see that many of the TT's and Pirate's Life contents haven't been used at all by the larger audience.

But you continue to keep coming back with the nonsense of 'buy another ssd' argument. And no, you're implication of calling me out as cheap was the first insult. And you know it.. but anyways..

You're disregarding what Rare ought to be doing, is cleaning-up the game code..

Cleaning up the code might be the ticket back to a 6th ship, but the game is not to big. Tall tale engagement was always low, even when they were brand new the percentages were super low. I would love for the 6th ship to come back, but even if you dont have the assets at hand, the game will still be tracking it all.

Again adding storage has been the answer to this question for a very long time. Take things like the N64, which had memory cards to store saved game info, that was 1996. You either picked up another card or had to delete stored info. That was 26 years ago. In the PC space, adding more drive space has been the answer for a long time. I remember adding a new HDD to the family computer in 1998?ish because the 1.4gb drive was too small, we upgraded to a very large 20gb drive. Look around you. Adding space is the correct answer, for games like SoT and everything else. The Switch uses MicroSD cards, the Series S|X uses expansion cards, the ps5 used gen4x4 nvme drives, the steamdeck uses MicroSD cards, and PCs have the most flexibility with HDDs, Sata SSDs, and Nvme SSDs. Your problem with SoT's size, is a problem with the industry right now. All the device makers expect you to add storage or delete things if you are full. Its just how it is.

I'm done here. I cant beat my point any more, and you are on the opposite side of it. I wish you well on Seas.

So I'm lazy for not dishing out more $$$ to get more storage?
Or the devs are lazy for not optimizing and letting nerds like you come in here and harp on about getting better hardware?

And a lot of you coming in here and trolling have likely gone into the threads trolling us way back when we told Rare that they should drop the Xbox 360 because its hurting the game long term..
So isn't that the same thing?

Point is, we shouldn't be shopping to play a game we already paid for...
Rare can and should do better.
And of course you can't beat your point around because you need to draw up N64 examples to try and find something to stand on.. Its ridiculous...

Off topic, the only added cost I ever had with the N64 back in the day was to upgrade the storage pack in order to play Majoras Mask...
It wasn't a cool thing to do back then and it shouldn't be okay to do these days.
If Rare wants to go to Unreal Engine 5 or make SoT 2, I'd gladly pay another full retail price to keep it going and getting better. If they need 60 more dollars from me to add 6 more ships on a server, I'm okay with that. I'm sure many people are..
But to tell the end user that hardware is their issue at this stage in the game, is ridiculous. Lol. Go troll somewhere else.

My problem with SoT's size is the industry right now? No. I don't care how big (and much smaller than SoT) Elden Ring is. I got my worth out of it and I think thats fine for what I paid for..
SoT, on the other hand, is way more required to store than other AAA's that offer way more in retrospect to the gameplay... thats just the fact you don't want to face the music about. I get it, cause you came in here with a solid no and tried to figure out a way to argue it. Its okay to be a Rare fan boy.. or girl.. but hey you don't have anything productive to add.

Maybe Im not done, as you really cant seem to wrap your head around it.

Modern systems as a whole have sold and continue to sell add on storage, because people need it. If it wasnt needed it wouldn't be a thing. I used the N64 as an old example. But if you want more, here you go: Game Cube had memory cards, the Wii used SD cards, the Wii U used SD cards, the switch uses Micro SD cards. The PS1 and PS2 used memory cards, the PS3 had Memory stick, SD card, and Compact flash as an option. The PS4 uses either placement internal or usb external drives, the PS5 used gen 4x4 nvme drives. The xbox had memory cards, the 360 had replacement hdds and memory cards, the xbox one used usb external hdds/ssds, and the series s|x uses a nvme based memory card. The streamdeck uses microSd cards. So yes I went back to the N64 to prove a point that this whole "adding storage" thing isnt new. Its been the industry standard as games get larger for the two and a half decades plus. Its not so much telling users their hardware isnt good enough, its telling users if they want things added to the game, they need to have more storage available. If you dont want things added to a game, dont play a game as a service.

For Sea of Thieves getting faster hardware has always been beneficial. Many OG xbox one users can up their game quality by adding an external usb 3.0 ssd drive. for pc players, ensuring that you are running at least sata ssds and not an hdd has also always helped. Ive actually been against the dropping on the XBox One, as the lowest end hardware supported is actually PC. It might be the highest as well. But that is not the discussion.

I also didnt come in with a solid no. I actually gave an example of what could actually help reduce the size of the game, for many many players. Even pc players could theoretically run a game in 1080 and depending on their gpu upscale that to 2k/4k.

You actively think everyone who disagrees with you is a troll and we are not. Have you even once considered that you are wrong? That the solution is not to simply have the tall tales uninstalled?

@lord-spark-0 said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

@realstyli said in Game files way too big at 85 gigs.. Rare ought to cut down the size.:

@lord-spark-0

I didn't say it was a good example. You said you googled the size and it was 127GB (which is the install size). You used it as a point of comparison in your reply to lafrules. I was merely correcting that number, as that's not the correct value for the whole game.

Thanks for the correction? Not sure what the purpose of that reply is..
Do you get engaged in topics on threads or do you just try to find something to correct that bears no meaning?

I did engage in this thread. My opinion is above.

But, as I don't want this to get out of hand and locked, I will bow out and wish you happy sailing.