Rainbow Flag

@drunkpunk138 dijo en Rainbow Flag:

The bottom line is this. The flag is here, and it's here to stay. Rare gets to decide what they do and do not put in their game, whether you like it or not. The unwillingness to understand how the inclusion of this flag does not justify your flag will change no ones perspective, nor will it occur the other way around.

The flag is here, that’s the issue, but I hope that in case it’s here to stay it isn’t for very long.

You say Rare decides, okay, but you also need to remember people are paying for the game so everyone has the right to make an opinion, you like it or not.

You are also saying the inclusion of this flag doesn’t justify more flags, but why?
Why is the rainbow flag the only one that can be justified?

If that doesn’t change your perspective, do not ask for others’ people perspective to change.

This rainbow flag supposedly means equality, but I dont see its supporters cooperation for equality

I know this has been done in order to be inclusive but I find this move off putting. It has nothing to do with the LBGTQ folks in themselves as much as celebrating one group above all others to the extent were they get special in game items and special attention seems divisive. Its like if you have several kids but only give cookie to one of them, what does that mean for the others that didn't get a cookie? Some people will say they are hungry and they deserve the cookie, others will say they dont mind if they got a cookie or not... but fairness means treating everyone the same and not showing favoritism. So are we gonna have feminist flags and ignore male players or flags with religious or racial context that exclude people who are not members of the group? I think this was a well intentioned addition that is ill advise and insensitive to how their benign neglect or acknowledgement and support of one group while excluding all other parties can and will affect the player experience. Yesterday we were all equal... today they have a flag and we dont...#SeaOfEgalitarianThieves

@count-drogos said in Rainbow Flag:

Its like if you have several kids but only give cookie to one of them, what does that mean for the others that didn't get a cookie?

Straight folks still have more cookies, FYI.

You have to look at it not as giving them something that others don't have, but more like allowing them a seat at the table with everyone else.

But this is never going to be settled on the board. So if anything it will stir up lots of interesting encounters on the sea.

@braxkedren said in Rainbow Flag:

@awesomecoreusa said in Rainbow Flag:

@braxkedren They're not being excluded. Regardless of age, gender, race, nationality or creed ye can still show support by flying the flag. Or chose not to show support by sinking any rainbow flying ship ye see.

Not having a flag to say 'I play SoT an' I be 27/female/white/Australian/Jewish' is not the same as being excluded.

Before they specifically called it a Pride Flag in the dev video we could have probably left it at that. As such they did specifically tie it to a out of game event, if you exclude people from those mentioned in that Article on the same basis, then you basically exclude part of your playerbase.

What is it you are having such a hard time accepting? Rare added a rainbow flag. Whatever reasons they offered, they owe you no further explanation. They are under no obligation to add any additional flags. This was an open expression of support for diversity and inclusion, which is consistent with their stated views. It’s even posted at every tavern in the game in the form of the pirate code.

@lobofh See my friend you're the only one being aggressive and negative. You have all but accused someone of being a Homophobe because they question a Pride flag. What if I said I want an Black Lives Matter flag of a RAZA ( Latino) Pride flag? I subscribe to both of these issues and they also involve maligned minorities. Why do these issues not get equal representation? I have no opinion on the LBGTQ community and I feel all people are entitled to pursue happiness. However I am also an egalitarian who believes in equal representation and fair and equal treatment of all people. The fact is the LBGTQ community benefited from a special in game item that pertains to them and their supporters while the rest of us are left wondering if we'll get similar concessions or if if we can expect these kind of exclusives to be reserved for a "select group"

@m1sterpunch I can see your point but your assuming I want the antithesis of a Gay pride f**y aka a Straight flag. What Im saying if theres a Gay Pride flag can I expect a Raza( latino ) Pride flag since I myself am a minority. Or what about a Black Lives Matters flag or a Southern (Confederate) Pride flag or a Dont Tread on Me Flag? All of these are important social issues, issues that pertain to minorities or other maligned perspectives much like the Gay Pride flag. Don't they also deserve a seat at the table. Yesterday we didnt have this divide , we were all just pirates. Today we are straight and gay ( or supporters). Will we then be Black and White, Atheist and believers etc.... Regardless thank you for sharing your perspective and if it means anything Im glad that they got a seat at the table I just think others should too or better yet we leave all that stuff outside the game and just be pirates again.

@DutchDeadSchot and @Admiral-GreyJoy
I am pretty sure that saying you will target people, in game, for those reasons, is a violation of the Pirate Code Rare has established.
I could be wrong, but we'll ask the @Deckhands for clarification.

I do appreciate your honesty about it though.

It would be nice if they remove the flag at the end of pride month, if there is no intention of pandering to other groups.

@lobofh I can disagree with a cause or a movement and not hate or fear the people that make up that movement. That what civil disagreements are about. But to be equally straight I don't care about the LBGTQ cause one way or another , its not my cause. But I am happy that the gay cause has its own well deserved champions. I do however believe if someone gets special concessions similar concessions should be made for equivalent interest that make up the player base so that all are represented and not just one faction is raised and exalted . And so consider this your rally cry for Latin Pride , BLM and any other group that deserves a seat at the table unless you like myself choose to advocate for cause more near and dear to your own interest. Peace be Upon You my brother or sister.

@dutchdeadschot said in Rainbow Flag:

@pdt-mindstream I don’t think ye readmy original post.

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It's the posts of yours, after your first one, where you excitedly team up with the other user to take pride in sinking anyone flying that flag.

I don't care if your intent is to take pride in sinking them, because they are representing your god or whatever you may think - boasting about targeting them is most likely against their rules.

You can take all the pride you want in that though! :)

@dutchdeadschot

I'll target you, no more and no less, than I do all other pirates on the sea.

@drunkpunk138 dijo en Rainbow Flag:

@xxx1ra1xxx said in [Rainbow Flag]=

The flag is here, that’s the issue, but I hope that in case it’s here to stay it isn’t for very long.

From what I understand it's here forever.

You say Rare decides, okay, but you also need to remember people are paying for the game so everyone has the right to make an opinion, you like it or not.

Have an opinion, sure. Voice it. That's far different from saying "Rare needs to do this because of this". That's more of a demand. And an absurd one. Ultimately though these threads will probably be locked, people will get suspended from the forums for taking it too far, and nothing will change.

You are also saying the inclusion of this flag doesn’t justify more flags, but why?
Why is the rainbow flag the only one that can be justified?

Because out of all the flags I've seen mentioned, it's the only one that actually is inclusive for everyone. This goes back to the false equivalency statement I made that was conveniently left out of the quote.

If that doesn’t change your perspective, do not ask for others’ people perspective to change.

I'm not asking for anyone to change their perspective. In fact, I commented on the unwillingness of people to change their perspective and how this redundant argument is rather pointless as a result.

This rainbow flag supposedly means equality, but I dont see its supporters cooperation for equality

How do you figure? On one side of the fence, you have people who support it because of its all inclusive message. On the other side of the fence, you have people who don't support it for various reasons. Those reasons being:

• It doesn't fit the pirate theme. Not a reason tied to equality.
• It's "shoving something in their face". Which it really isn't. The mere existence of something is not shoving it in your face. And if anything, the resistance to acknowledging people of various backgrounds and preferences is the opposite of equality. It's essentially saying "I'm only okay with the presence of this one side"
• It's political. Again, hard to call a characteristic of a person a political issue, regardless of how hard people try to make it one. Equality and acceptance should not be a political issue.
• It only celebrates one group of people. Again, not true, it celebrates everybody equally.

Anyway, we're going in circles again. Like I said before, we're all clearly maintaining our point of view and nobody is willing to budge, so let's go back to our regularly scheduled program of complaining about things that actually impact gameplay.

I know the flag could be forever, I meant I hope it doesn’t.

You are saying the people who doesnt want the flag are demanding, I dont see it that way, we (the most of the ones who disagree with the rainbow flag) are just saying we dont want it in the game, if thats demanding, a lot of you would count as demanding too because you are saying you want it in the game, same way to say it, so that would be everyone no matter which side demanding or nobody demanding no matter which side, both sides are saying something different but in the same way, mostly (cause many in the same side as you are the only ones calling names, so not always in the same way)

You say all the flags you saw mentioned were not able to be included, only the rainbow one.
That’s obviously not true, of course there are a lot of jokes but there are many examples mentioned about serious flags that can be added.

You say you dont asked for people changing their perspective but obviously thats what you want, you want your side to be the winner and skipping this to different topics, but if people disagree with this flag and haven’t been solved of course people can continue the discussion no matter which side.

About the last things you said in this post Im replying, you are contradicting your self because you say that saying the rainbow flag doesn’t fit in a pirate game is not equality, then you say it celebrates everone, so why would say it doesn’t fit isn’t equality? If the rainbow flag isnt here, that would be equality because nobody would be celebrated, as you say rainbow flag is for everyone, so in or out of the game, is equality for everyone.

@evasive-envy dijo en Rainbow Flag:

It amazes me how many people have no clue what the rainbow flag means and sybolizes yet strongly voice their opinions on the matter without even knowing the facts.

I think everyone knows what the rainbow flag means, obviously is for pride month, obviously is LGBTTTIQ’s representative flag.

Personally, all the posts of people disagreeing with this flag I have seen know its meaning

And in my opinion, yes, we should have feminist flags because the way women are treated is still a global issue. Awareness needs to be raised always. Of course, the rainbow flag encompasses this as well.

But the thing is that this is a video game, why would we need feminists flags in our ships?

Theres no logic in pirates having this kind of flags, theres many places to ask for flags or rights, video games are not the site to protest, even less in a fantasy pirate one

In my opinion. Either remove the flag or be willing/open to adding in every other flag to keep things equal. Also I would personally like to see Gender Politics added to the TOS here:

Political & Religious Discussion
Due to the sensitive nature of discussion, Political and religious discussion is not permitted in the Sea of Thieves community. Discussions of this nature will result in the topic being deleted and the creator warned. If the action continues, a permanent ban from the Forums will be issued.

My opinion, like others have stated is, its not needed in this game. If you open the door here, be ready to allow political/religious items to enter the game.

@blooddoll22 said in Rainbow Flag:

@m1sterpunch said in Rainbow Flag:

Sexual preference is not a choice.

I still can't wrap my head around that truth. Personally? I am straight, sure, but I choose that by both my actions and perhaps some influence from my upbringing. I agree it's INGRAINED into me and thereby is not something I can turn off (anymore than the next person might turn off their own proclivities) in a heartbeat and honestly I shouldn't have too neither should anyone else have too. But this really sparks a deep need for a conversation about nature versus nurture, societal influence, interpersonal influence, personal influence, exposures, and so many thousands more factors. that are waaaaaaaaaaay beyond the scope of these forums!

But perhaps I've adapted enough to enough situations to have learned, everything bears choice, and people can change, and everything is a choice. Maybe not an immediate choice, maybe not even the most pleasing choice, but choice none the less - and people can adapt to those choices quite better than they may think, or dare to reasonably believe.

My issue is the apparent thought that people need to change... I mean seriously? Let a person be who they want! No one should have to CHANGE into or on the subject of anything... if the default state of being works for someone.. so be it! I'm all for free love and freedom to live the lifestyle someone might choose to engage in! So yay Rainbow Flag!

And yes, i am aware that my remarks are more scathing than celebrated, this is simply a remark to the perspectives I have on the topic. I am aware I am no GOD, no hallmark of human perfection that I could dare demand I am right, but just like people say the subject itself is intrinsic to they... I say this view is equally intrinsic to I... doesn't make me right and I apologize for the fact that I am surely to be considering ignorant and insulting, it's not my purpose and not my intent...

my intent? Ill state it again:

yay Rainbow Flag! let no one be persecuted for their love or definition of self! Let's move past 1969 and it's viciousness and instead find some entertainment and harmony in our lives!

If you want to find out if sexuality preference is a choice, just ask people. Don’t presume. Maybe it is for some, but most people don’t “choose” their preference. It is hardwired in. That is not to say one’s preference might not change over the course of one’s lifetime. It happens. But are they choosing it, or simply realigning with who they intrinsically are? Self-awareness isn’t always a straight road. But the fact remains, most people know who they’re attracted to from an early age, and for most that preference never changes. Just ask them.

@braxkedren said in Rainbow Flag:

@awesomecoreusa Currently all other groups mentioned in Article 1.

Rare said all were welcome.

Rare did not say all would be represented.

I imagine there will be Christmas/Hannuka maybe even Quanza or whatever (unless that was just a Futurama thing, I've never actually investigated that...)

Alternatively Rare might feel that religion is too contentious and go for an areligious Happy Holidays thing.

I think they'll also probably do Halloween as it's a good fit for the game. That's all I'm after. Celebrate the ancient Celtic Pagan festival of Samhain that the Americans have blasphemously turned into Halloween. It's the only holiday that matters to the Old Gods anyway.

I'd also like to see green grogs on P***y's Day, but lets face it, I'm Irish, I wont remember anything about P***y's Day.