@admiral-greyjoy said in Rainbow Flag:
@awesomecoreusa I like you very much good sir. Because you are such a beloved ambassador to all the rainbows out there. I shall show some mercy, I’ll give them the option to bend the knee & convert to my ideals or we can settle are disputes out on the seas in the here & now with swords & flintlocks
haha, an' while some may accept yer offer I am sure many will try to put a cannonball atop yer shoulders. Good luck to ye Admiral.
@verminpup said in Rainbow Flag:
@braxkedren said in Rainbow Flag:
@verminpup you know that’s true but Rare opened that box when they added the flag, used Article 1 to give reason and then called it the Pride Flag.
So now they have to address that whole article and what’s allowed or not moving forward. That’s all my discussion on this is about.
I don't think RARE or anyone owes you any explanation, actually. Sorry.
Ahh so inclusion of a flag that you support but EXCLUDE all others
@braxkedren said in Rainbow Flag:
@verminpup said in Rainbow Flag:
@braxkedren said in Rainbow Flag:
@verminpup you know that’s true but Rare opened that box when they added the flag, used Article 1 to give reason and then called it the Pride Flag.
So now they have to address that whole article and what’s allowed or not moving forward. That’s all my discussion on this is about.
I don't think RARE or anyone owes you any explanation, actually. Sorry.
Ahh so inclusion of a flag that you support but EXCLUDE all others
If that's what Rare want. Why do Rare owe you an explanation?
@mmountain I never asked for an explanation. Where did I ask for that?
I asked if all other flags, of those groups mentioned in Article 1, would be given representation as well.
Period.
That's not asking for an explanation but for a clear direction on flags in this game and groups that will be allowed to have in-game representation.
@awesomecoreusa Currently all other groups mentioned in Article 1.
I'm not asking for implementation at the moment, they have nothing to tie it to. Implementation would tie around world events, like this one was...plain and simple.
@braxkedren said in Rainbow Flag:
@mmountain I never asked for an explanation. Where did I ask for that?
I asked if all other flags, of those groups mentioned in Article 1, would be given representation as well.
Period.
That's not asking for an explanation but for a clear direction on flags in this game and groups that will be allowed to have in-game representation.
Ok. Why do they have to give you or anyone else "a clear direction"?
@dutchdeadschot said in Rainbow Flag:
@genuine-heather BAITING! Once again! Harharhar! Also my views be quite the opposite of those shown by Rare.
I think I’ve answered you sufficiently.
Harhar
Rare’s stated views on this topic are: “Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed."
If your views are the “opposite” of those, then you, sir, are a bigot. No baiting required.
@mmountain said in Rainbow Flag:
@braxkedren said in Rainbow Flag:
@mmountain I never asked for an explanation. Where did I ask for that?
I asked if all other flags, of those groups mentioned in Article 1, would be given representation as well.
Period.
That's not asking for an explanation but for a clear direction on flags in this game and groups that will be allowed to have in-game representation.
Ok. Why do they have to give you or anyone else "a clear direction"?
Because this flag was implemented due to real world event. Which is fine. They even called it The Pride Flag. Still Fine.
Then they gave Article 1 as the basis for implementation, this opens up this discussion. There's more than 1 group mentioned in that Article, that the Pride Flag doesn't represent.
So the question is valid and just like the request to add this flag was.
@braxkedren They're not being excluded. Regardless of age, gender, race, nationality or creed ye can still show support by flying the flag. Or chose not to show support by sinking any rainbow flying ship ye see.
Not having a flag to say 'I play SoT an' I be 27/female/white/Australian/Jewish' is not the same as being excluded.
the endless trope of "why not religious flags blah blah blah"
Sexual preference is not a choice. Religious beliefs are. A pride flag is INCLUSIVE, not EXCLUSIVE.
Pride isn't an "political agenda" so much as a movement for human rights for a marginalized population. It might seem like it is but the aim is humanitarian, not political.
Folks probably will get targeted for flying it such is the case in MMO which is unavoidable and part of the game. But I hope folks that are throwing homophobic slurs are reported and handled appropriately.
@m1sterpunch said in Rainbow Flag:
the endless trope of "why not religious flags blah blah blah"
Sexual preference is not a choice. Religious beliefs are. A pride flag is INCLUSIVE, not EXCLUSIVE.
Pride isn't an "political agenda" so much as a movement for human rights for a marginalized population. It might seem like it is but the aim is humanitarian, not political.
Folks probably will get targeted for flying it such is the case in MMO which is unavoidable and part of the game. But I hope folks that are throwing homophobic slurs are reported and handled appropriately.
What this guy said. Well put sir (or madam, so as to be inclusive)
@m1sterpunch said in Rainbow Flag:
the endless trope of "why not religious flags blah blah blah"
Sexual preference is not a choice. Religious beliefs are. A pride flag is INCLUSIVE, not EXCLUSIVE.
Pride isn't an "political agenda" so much as a movement for human rights for a marginalized population. It might seem like it is but the aim is humanitarian, not political.
Folks probably will get targeted for flying it such is the case in MMO which is unavoidable and part of the game. But I hope folks that are throwing homophobic slurs are reported and handled appropriately.
Perfectly stated.
@awesomecoreusa said in Rainbow Flag:
@braxkedren They're not being excluded. Regardless of age, gender, race, nationality or creed ye can still show support by flying the flag. Or chose not to show support by sinking any rainbow flying ship ye see.
Not having a flag to say 'I play SoT an' I be 27/female/white/Australian/Jewish' is not the same as being excluded.
Before they specifically called it a Pride Flag in the dev video we could have probably left it at that. As such they did specifically tie it to a out of game event, if you exclude people from those mentioned in that Article on the same basis, then you basically exclude part of your playerbase.
@braxkedren said in Rainbow Flag:
@mmountain said in Rainbow Flag:
@braxkedren said in Rainbow Flag:
@mmountain I never asked for an explanation. Where did I ask for that?
I asked if all other flags, of those groups mentioned in Article 1, would be given representation as well.
Period.
That's not asking for an explanation but for a clear direction on flags in this game and groups that will be allowed to have in-game representation.
Ok. Why do they have to give you or anyone else "a clear direction"?
Because this flag was implemented due to real world event. Which is fine. They even called it The Pride Flag. Still Fine.
Then they gave Article 1 as the basis for implementation, this opens up this discussion. There's more than 1 group mentioned in that Article, that the Pride Flag doesn't represent.
So the question is valid and just like the request to add this flag was.
So it's curiosity that's driving you?
They still have no requirement to tell you anything.
@awesomecoreusa said in Rainbow Flag:
@m1sterpunch said in Rainbow Flag:
the endless trope of "why not religious flags blah blah blah"
Sexual preference is not a choice. Religious beliefs are. A pride flag is INCLUSIVE, not EXCLUSIVE.
Pride isn't an "political agenda" so much as a movement for human rights for a marginalized population. It might seem like it is but the aim is humanitarian, not political.
Folks probably will get targeted for flying it such is the case in MMO which is unavoidable and part of the game. But I hope folks that are throwing homophobic slurs are reported and handled appropriately.
What this guy said. Well put sir (or madam, so as to be inclusive)
Only for those that associate with it.
Those that don't, for whatever their reasons, are in fact excluded from it.
What you are doing is forcing people to either join in under it or do without something in game that represents them.
@m1sterpunch said in Rainbow Flag:
Folks probably will get targeted for flying it such is the case in MMO which is unavoidable and part of the game. But I hope folks that are throwing homophobic slurs are reported and handled appropriately.
i would definitely recommend muting other crews if you're going to fly it. homophobic taunts seem to be the most common greeting in general, so i'd hate to imagine the bile that would spew from the mouths of some of our lesser associates when encountering the flag on the high seas.
@braxkedren It was immediate in the remark from the initial patch notes... the whole section on the pirate code and the game being one meant to be celebrated by people from all walks of life... I spent plenty of time yesterday wondering why it wasn't obvious from the initial statements it was a Pride Flag. Guess maybe people didn't want to accept what was being stated.
@braxkedren so.... what, you want an anti-pride flag so that those that chose not to fly the pride flag have an alternative?
Having a pride flag available does not exclude anyone. because they have the option not to use it. They have the option to sink ships flying it as a protest (I mean it's kinda homophobic but whatever, it's a choice).
How about I object to the Jolly Roger, a flag that represents the r**e and murder o' many many people throughout the age of piracy? I object to the red flag because it could be seen as a symbol of communism?
Fly whate'er flag ye want to fly. An let those that want to fly the Pride flag do so too. No-one is excluded when it comes to flags.
@braxkedren said in Rainbow Flag:
@awesomecoreusa said in Rainbow Flag:
@m1sterpunch said in Rainbow Flag:
the endless trope of "why not religious flags blah blah blah"
Sexual preference is not a choice. Religious beliefs are. A pride flag is INCLUSIVE, not EXCLUSIVE.
Pride isn't an "political agenda" so much as a movement for human rights for a marginalized population. It might seem like it is but the aim is humanitarian, not political.
Folks probably will get targeted for flying it such is the case in MMO which is unavoidable and part of the game. But I hope folks that are throwing homophobic slurs are reported and handled appropriately.
What this guy said. Well put sir (or madam, so as to be inclusive)
Only for those that associate with it.
Those that don't, for whatever their reasons, are in fact excluded from it.
What you are doing is forcing people to either join in under it or do without something in game that represents them.
...and for those that don't assiciate with it for their own reasons have the choice not to fly it.
I don't see how this is problematic for you. I won't fly the jolly roger flag because I prefer not to pvp but I won't argue against it's inclusion if it doesn't apply to me. Either way, the flag represents all the groups you mentioned earlier.
yawn, just going in circles of false equivalencies over and over and over again....
The bottom line is this. The flag is here, and it's here to stay. Rare gets to decide what they do and do not put in their game, whether you like it or not. The unwillingness to understand how the inclusion of this flag does not justify your flag will change no ones perspective, nor will it occur the other way around. Can we get back to complaining about cross platform and PvE servers now?
@genuine-heather also since everyone is welcome ,, meaning mij as well. Stop harassing me and let’s just agree that we disagree.
Case closed.
@dutchdeadschot said in Rainbow Flag:
@genuine-heather also since everyone is welcome ,, meaning mij as well. Stop harassing me and let’s just agree that we disagree.
Case closed.
I must have missed this, who be harassin' ye matey?
@m1sterpunch said in Rainbow Flag:
Sexual preference is not a choice.
I still can't wrap my head around that truth. Personally? I am straight, sure, but I choose that by both my actions and perhaps some influence from my upbringing. I agree it's INGRAINED into me and thereby is not something I can turn off (anymore than the next person might turn off their own proclivities) in a heartbeat and honestly I shouldn't have too neither should anyone else have too. But this really sparks a deep need for a conversation about nature versus nurture, societal influence, interpersonal influence, personal influence, exposures, and so many thousands more factors. that are waaaaaaaaaaay beyond the scope of these forums!
But perhaps I've adapted enough to enough situations to have learned, everything bears choice, and people can change, and everything is a choice. Maybe not an immediate choice, maybe not even the most pleasing choice, but choice none the less - and people can adapt to those choices quite better than they may think, or dare to reasonably believe.
My issue is the apparent thought that people need to change... I mean seriously? Let a person be who they want! No one should have to CHANGE into or on the subject of anything... if the default state of being works for someone.. so be it! I'm all for free love and freedom to live the lifestyle someone might choose to engage in! So yay Rainbow Flag!
And yes, i am aware that my remarks are more scathing than celebrated, this is simply a remark to the perspectives I have on the topic. I am aware I am no GOD, no hallmark of human perfection that I could dare demand I am right, but just like people say the subject itself is intrinsic to they... I say this view is equally intrinsic to I... doesn't make me right and I apologize for the fact that I am surely to be considering ignorant and insulting, it's not my purpose and not my intent...
my intent? Ill state it again:
yay Rainbow Flag! let no one be persecuted for their love or definition of self! Let's move past 1969 and it's viciousness and instead find some entertainment and harmony in our lives!
