I'll have to try that tactic. It is definitely possible to get away from a shark when its mouth is closed, but in my experience once it opens its mouth and the attack animation begins it seems to boost forward through the water like a homing torpedo.
Imagine having the option of turning around to face the shark and being able to punch its nose. Maybe that would stun the shark or cause it to swim away for a short time.
In all seriousness, there is a beach towel. My girlfriend bought it for me because she thinks I play the game too much. It's pretty thin and seems like it's designed for an actual child which makes me feel really good about my life decisions...
That's precisely what's wrong with shark behavior in SoT, and the AI of this game in a nutshell.
Sharks have pretty limited states. Spawn, endlessly pursue closest player at range until timer/distance determines it can bite, pull back and countdown timer resets until next bite.
None of the enemy AI in SoT is fun to fight, but sharks are the biggest example of this. In games that have interesting AI, enemies have contextual behavior that is aware of the environment and surrounding AI. There's so much you could do with this. Sharks could attack animals who have gotten too close to the water. Sharks could hunt in packs and be aware of other sharks. Fins could be visible ala Jaws from the surface. Sharks could have feeding frenzy behaviors. There could be different types of sharks with different levels of agresiveness.
But instead, in SoT we're left with the most boring AI that is literally just a glorified homing torpedo. This is precisely why players are complaining about increasing shark amounts. They were never fun to fight, just like 45+ OoS quests where the skeletons become bullet sponges. It's just not good game design, and it's a very artificial way of ramping the challenge.
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Can't show you my towel because it's very personal to me. I cut a whole in the center to wear it as a poncho. In fact, I'm wearing it right now.
@rattlyfob said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
@stew360 said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
What in the world is wrong with RARE ? What is this ?
After 2 sec in water we get 12 shark spawning all the time what is wrong with rare ? Shark were already an anoyance when they spawn 2 or 3 at time now like 10 or 12 spawning after you spend 2 seconds in the water ... this game is broken beyong the word now ... how can you use any " tactical " advantage of having your name not showing up under water when you now have 12 EFFING shark spawning at you killing you within seconds ?
Its almost as if you could say the deep is hungering or somthing....
Well if the " hungering deep " consist in having insane amount of insanely bullet sponge shark .. well they can keep it and never release it because i dont want to be part of any of that c**p ... i play this game for PVP
THey remooved the name inside the water to be " more sneaky " but still display out " mermaid " who sell our position and now trow at us 2 billions sharks .. that not only reveal our position but also make us either waste all our amo and banana before we reach the ennemy ship or simply either kill you or help the ennemy team to do so ... its getting insanely ridiculous without mentioning all the bugs , black screen , and Longbeard happening ...
@personalc0ffee said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
Sharks defo torpedo home you when it it time to bite. I have seen it. Nope not much you can do to avoid bites once they start
Take the bite, heal up, and kill it.
So now you're paraphrasing my post that you seem to have called out without directly replying:
@harlton-cheston said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
If you're in the open water then the only strategy is to tank their hits with bananas, pop shots at them when they're far away, and rush them with your sword when they get close.
It seems like you agree with me then. And yet you're the one who accuses me of "not getting it." Or was that not directed at me? It's an excellent deflection strategy, not replying directly.
Sharks are "easily dealt with" but that's not really the point. You said it yourself that they're basically homing torpedos, I'm actually surprised that you admitted that.
@personalc0ffee said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
There is not challenge to be had, my dude.
It was literally turned up for the lore hype. Prior to the up turn in spawn rates, sharks were easily dealt with.
Nothing more, nothing less.
People need to calm down and stop ruining everything and learn to enjoy things and have some fun.
I play to PVP in this game not to fight r******d bulletsponge sharks
You're still missing the point. Sharks could put players in different situations where problem solving based on AI behavior recognition is key. Instead every Shark encounter is exactly the same. Again, this is due to limited branching behaviors. Branching behaviors are cool, because they can play off one another in exciting and visually interesting ways, which is really important for a game like SoT that certainly emphasizes sandbox elements. Instead the AI behaviors in SoT are incredibly static and easily exploitable.
@personalc0ffee said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
@stew360 Mr Stew, this game is not a pure PvP game. Remember that. There are going to be changes to the game that affect PvP and PvE together or separately.
You have to accept it or you need to quit the game.
Mermaids are there to prevent camping.
Everything is working as intended minus the bugs.
Your notion of " fun " isnt fun to me , this game dosnt have " destiny " or " path of exiles " level of PVE lets be honest , the only thing that make this game interesting is the PVP aspect the PVE is nothing but a excuses or a hobby between pvp match ...
PVE in this game is bad , and increasing the sharks to a stupid amount with the low amunition count we have mixed with their tankyness its compleatly ridiculous not fun and simply ruins PVP tactics ... for the sake of ? Trowing UNFUN and compleatly mindless Shark torpido who will bite you no matter if you hit them or not waste all your banana and amo in no time ... its not fun , its not rewarding , its just an anoyance nothing more ...
Who at rare told to themself ... lets make the shark anoyance even more anoying " they will think we have created contents " ? No they have not created contents they just increased the sharks spawns to a level compleatly ridiculous , unfun , unusefull and unrewarding ...
@personalc0ffee said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
If someone wants to argue we can do more with their AI and they are a glorified torpedo, they are absolutely correct.
No way dude, anyone who raises valid points about shark mechanics obviously just doesn't get it, do they? /sarcasm
I could definitely see them increasing their spawn rates in the build up to Hungering Deep, however I'm also seeing weird stuff that people have been posting on Reddit like sharks floating over islands.
So while your theory about lore definitely seems likely, without confirmation from Rare it also seems plausible that this build is just messed up. That said, I'm really not invested in either guess. I mainly came here to discuss AI, which I continue to think is a big glaring issue in SoT, and will continue to be as they introduce more AI threats as they've suggested in their roadmap.
@personalc0ffee said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
@harlton-cheston I wasn't replying to you.
So who exactly were you replying to? Your post came directly after mine, and you weren't replying to anyone directly. You were clearly replying to someone in particular. The context really makes it seem like it was aimed at my post.
If I ever get into a discussion here I'll take a cue from you and just stop replying directly, that way if I ever get called out on what I say I can deny it. Who even knows who I'm talking to! Not me!
@WilliamHerschel @PersonalC0ffee Lol I love watching your guys' back-n-forth xD
Anyway, I feel like this thread has people conflating two different things.
It just so happens that #2 exacerbates the issues with #1. Other than that, I really like it. I haven't played yet but I know it will be super OP and stupid but it will also be fun and I'm glad that Rare added this little tidbit prior to the big event. Like @PersonalC0ffee said, they are building lore into the world.
As far as #1 goes, it's a totally valid criticism in my opinion. Wish there was a way to block their attacks or dodge them or something. Would love to see shark AI (and skeleton AI) completely reworked in the future. But that's not the point of this update.
Rare: “With this event, something from Deep below is stirring up the sharks in a Frenzy and in greater numbers.”
Certain Playerbase: “OMG sharks are crazy what is this! We were never told of this why is this happening!?”
This is just like Warcraft and all those events before every expansion. It was always a minority screaming as loud as they can and ruining the events for everyone else.
I notice you didn't answer the question... Sometimes you have to make sacrifices for style though. Peace and respect for being active in the community.
@personalc0ffee
Wha!?! You expect the community that cares so much for the game to come here and post about subject dear to them repeatedly everyday to actually read communications from the Dev team!?
How dare you!
@nunoazuldimeter said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
If you go to Shark Bait Cove you'll find Merrick there... He's Drunk as ... okay, he's drunk. And you can ask him about that unusually shark behavior.
Too bad he's too drunk to answer though. I'm betting that he won't get sober until May 29th. Now that is living the pirate life.
@harlton-cheston said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
@nunoazuldimeter said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
If you go to Shark Bait Cove you'll find Merrick there... He's Drunk as ... okay, he's drunk. And you can ask him about that unusually shark behavior.
Too bad he's too drunk to answer though. I'm betting that he won't get sober until May 29th. Now that is living the pirate life.
aahaha I tried to go along with him but he's too much for me.
@netryxa said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
In the past, we already had this problem. (Beta if i remember)
So, instead of fix bug whos still there, they cancel fixes. Wellplayed, Rare.
Not a beta bug, it was like that all through the alpha, as soon as you hit water multiple sharks were in the water. It forced crews to protect the chest carriers when going back to the galleon. It is one reason why the old players slow down to a stop, getting as close to the island as possible. Parking far away ment an extra battle getting back to the ship with loot.
Yeah, I've been experiencing this too. I don't know if respawns are now tied to reputation ranks or what, but less than a minute after killing a spawned group of skeletons, another skeleton group spawns in. It's just gotten really tedious recently.
@personalc0ffee said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
Do you have any idea the amount of phantom pain he must be in?
I'd like to see one, or maybe two Sharks appear at first.
If you continue to stay in the water, or more people jump in...a second appears. Etc. Etc.
The longer you stay in, or the more people there are in the water, the more Sharks appear.
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Can we also get a Hammerhead Shark?
Maybe a Tiger too. Different species of Sharks would be awesome.
It makes the game unplayable from any perspective.
Case in point: We were at Snake Island doing some skulls. 4 skulls dropped. We had 1 death amongst four people over the course of that. We killed half a dozen sharks at the shore within about 2 minutes, and yet....we had at least 11 deaths trying to get those 4 skulls to the boat, which wasn't parked that far away from shore. People would enter the water and be eaten within a few seconds. No way to prevent it, because by our count there were 9 sharks swimming around. We ended up on a legends quest, and the same problem presented itself at every stop unless there was a dock. For the islands with long sandbars that required the boat to be further away, it was easier to just leave the loot behind.
For a fifteen second swim to the boat to stash loot.
I can't even imagine the horror this c**p brings to PvP. That's not building lore. That's being f***g moronic and not testing your damn patches before you put them into production. You can't hide behind making the game nothing but one giant annoyance for your entire player base by claiming it's "lore building".
I gave this game a 2nd chance after a bad previous encounter with some of the s********s that make up the base of the community, but now I see it all for what it is - a shoddily developed, poorly coded, improperly tested festival of throwing c**p against the wall and waiting to see if it's any good or not. They've made the game unplayable, and putting a sentence in some blog that 99% of the gaming community isn't even aware exists doesn't wash that away.
@poppinfresh0 Merrick did say we were getting a “RAFT of new features”... most of your complaints here would have been negated had you a raft at your disposal. Its 1 more week, don’t give up yet!
@harlton-cheston said in RARE what is wrong with you ? 12 shark spawn after 2 sec in water ?:
I posted this in another thread about the same topic so I'll paste it here:
The worst thing about the sharks is that there is no reliable way to outmaneuver or block them once they launch an attack. If a shark starts its attack animation, then there's nothing you can do about it unless you manage to get out of the water before it hits.
Very rarely have I managed to dodge a shark bite in open water, and in those cases I believe I was actually clipping over or under them which isn't exactly repeatable or feasible as a strategy.
So there's that, added to the fact that it's a two hit kill, and then multiplied by the number of sharks in the water... it ends up being a nuisance more than a challenge. If you're in the open water then the only strategy is to tank their hits with bananas, pop shots at them when they're far away, and rush them with your sword when they get close. However, since you can't dodge in the water you will eventually run out of bananas, and also ammo.
It feels like they were intentionally designed to prevent players from spending any significant amount of time in the water. And now there are at least three times as many sharks spawning thanks to the Hungering One!
Sorry Brother but that's not entirely accurate. I've had a few encounters over the past 2 days with sharks while holding a powder barrel and even a chest. I found that you can look downward when the sharks coming straight at you for the attack and it actually stops them in their tracks. Now after they get stopped they are still trying to move forward so pushing them up or down is the tricky part. When I fail to push them downward (that has avoided me getting bit) They come over the top of the chest or barrel and I get bit. Now, try it for yourself. With so many sharks though, I'm not sure you can get away freely..
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