@noblackthunder said in Pve servers would rip the heart out of this game:
@trenix90 Really SJW ? I think you need to learn what that means and what SJW stand for before you start name calling people with SJW
Now SJW is name calling? For crying out loud.... this is what I mean. Also I stand by what I said. I know exactly what it means.
@trenix90 So you stand by saying something you dont even know what it means to offend people by claiming they are something they are not instead of actually contributing to a conversation .... And you call me SJW ? ... Funny
@noblackthunder said in Pve servers would rip the heart out of this game:
@trenix90 So you stand by saying something you dont even know what it means to offend people by claiming they are something they are not instead of actually contributing to a conversation .... And you call me SJW ? ... Funny
Please read up what a SJW is. Its not name calling, name calling is what you PvE players do all day towards PvP players. We're all trolls, bullies, grefiers, jerks, and toxic, right?
You guys want to make us look like the bad guys, yeah go fight for the rights of PvE players because we're the worst players ever. Somehow it's my fault people don't know the game they purchased. I'm playing as intended, call me what you want. While you find loot, I find it on your boat. No safe space in the sea of thieves, sorry.
@trenix90 Social justice warrior (commonly abbreviated SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual who promotes socially progressive views, including feminism, civil rights, and multiculturalism,[1][2] as well as identity politics.[3] The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction,[4] and engaging in disingenuous arguments.[5]
Copied from the wiki. Please explain where i mixed in politics or gender politics in here? Also please tell me .. What does it take away from you when some people play on PVE servers ? The only reason you say this nonsense is because you have no good reason , no real counter argument. You rather use SJW tactics and atacking and name calling and claiming someone is something that has nothing to do with the case at all because you have no good counter argument on why not. You are just here trying rather to offend instead of like a mature person to discuse thing. But please prove me wrong and correct your self ....
@noblackthunder said in Pve servers would rip the heart out of this game:
@trenix90 Social justice warrior (commonly abbreviated SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual who promotes socially progressive views
This is the part that proves me right. It's not just feminism, ect. You're trying to make it socially unacceptable to PvP, as if its morally wrong to do so in a pirate game! You're also trying to find ways to separate the PvP players from looting the PvE players who don't want to fight.
Seperating the playerbase is bad and if I dont have people to loot, that's bad for me and other PvP players. It's also bad that PvE players will raise ranks far higher than PvP players because of the lack of threat. Nothing you state is fair for everyone. I have valid arguments. Stating that I didn't make one doesn't mean it vanishes. People can read.
@mojo-spaghettio I don't know man... The way some people are talking it seems that they thought it would be a calm and friendly sea of merchants...
Not only would it rip the heart out of this game, but it would be a compete 180 from what it was advertised as.
They've said in promotional videos that "whenever you see a ship, that's another crew of real players" and base the game around not knowing what's about to happen along your voyage.
I bet even if a PvE server existed, people would still be demanding a way to "opt out" of kraken encounters. People just can't handle failure. They want guaranteed success. They want to make their own game straightforward and boring as hell. If there's no danger, what's the point? Where's the thrill? Where's the suspense? The tension?
Can you read?
a. I linked you What SJW is about again : Social justice warrior (commonly abbreviated SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual who promotes socially progressive views, including feminism, civil rights, and multiculturalism,[1][2] as well as identity politics.[3] The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction,[4] and engaging in disingenuous arguments.[5]
I never involved gender Politics, Feninism, or anything that has to SJW .. But you claiming on the other hand stuff thinks that are not true .. OH HEY ! .. point 5 fits perfect to you ..
b. in what way is seperating player base a bad thing ? It works fine in Elite Dangerous, also Who said that a PVE server could not have death tax or higher death tax + 25% less gold as a punishment ? Beside that there is more then enough threats on islands etc. Also its not unfair .. If you dont like to PVP and also get up in ranks you can join the same save pve server?
c. Where is it a bad thing giving people a choice ?
d. I have valid argument ? you made no argument , you claimend i am a SJW without me even mentioning anything about it, i never used SJW tactics i never claimed or said that every pvp players is a bad person and putting them in a bad light. Though there are some individuals as those forums prove that are causing allot of issues with spawn camping and even cheaters have started to be an issue. So giving people an option to get a bit more relaxed or play it there way, is nothing bad.
e. PVE works fine for alot of games
f. If you call me an SJW when i did not use any thing related to this and you are the person using SJW with putting disingenuous arguments into the discussion with calling me SJW and twisting words and not having a valid reason because you have no valid reason for stuff that would not even affect you and then claiming you are the only one with a valid reason ... You sure you dont mean your self ? Really ... :face_palm:
@noblackthunder said in Pve servers would rip the heart out of this game:
Can you read?
That is a very good question to ask yourself.
@trenix90 Thats a lazy respond from someone thinks he is really smart but has no real argument to add.. Remember SJW point 5... you do that really well instead of actually arguing like a mature person
@noblackthunder said in Pve servers would rip the heart out of this game:
@trenix90 Thats a lazy respond from someone thinks he is really smart but has no real argument to add.. Remember SJW point 5... you do that really well instead of actually arguing like a mature person
Anything I say to you isn't an argument and has no merit to you. To keep the conversation going, especially when you ignored everything I said, would be stupid. You can't even understand what is a SJW is when a definition is right in front of you. Come on now...
You also are the one making actual insults repeatedly. I'm glad I sink ships if you PvE players all behave this way.
@xxbillyvxx the sloop already has a number of advantages over a galleon. The Sloop is intended for veteran players.
@xxbillyvxx some of the cheating I've heard about sucks, but as for you being ganked, just be observant man and keep on the move.
@trenix90 said in Pve servers would rip the heart out of this game:
Im sorry but im going to say it, its embarrassing that we have people saying it's bullying, toxic, and trolling that PvP players are PvPing in a PvEvP game.
A game called, "Sea of thieves". A game where you're a pirate. For the love of God, toughen up. Take your SJW nonsense elsewhere, please. We already have a code, we don't need 100 more to accomedate every single person who is offended or threatened. Should we remove guns too?
I shot a pig for fun in the game and laughed, gonna call me an animal abuser and call P**A on me? Get over yourselves. If you can't handle PvP, then maybe you're not ready to play this type of game.
Wish I could pin this comment lol.
'Bullying' :P
If they think pvp is a form of bullying, then they should go nag the developers about it.
And constantly sailing to an outpost with a ship already there? It's too funny for me. I have yet to meet anyone on an outpost. Because I stay away from ships when I have loot.
@noblackthunder said in Pve servers would rip the heart out of this game:
@trenix90 Social justice warrior (commonly abbreviated SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual who promotes socially progressive views, including feminism, civil rights, and multiculturalism,[1][2] as well as identity politics.[3] The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction,[4] and engaging in disingenuous arguments.[5]
Copied from the wiki. Please explain where i mixed in politics or gender politics in here? Also please tell me .. What does it take away from you when some people play on PVE servers ? The only reason you say this nonsense is because you have no good reason , no real counter argument. You rather use SJW tactics and atacking and name calling and claiming someone is something that has nothing to do with the case at all because you have no good counter argument on why not. You are just here trying rather to offend instead of like a mature person to discuse thing. But please prove me wrong and correct your self ....
You sound like someone that does this quite a lot. :P
It's a game. Stop looking for fights. And stop calling people bullies for playing the game the way the devs intended it to be. Most people on any new videogame forum are people complaining in the first couple weeks of release. Because the majority are enjoying the game. You are trying to make it out as if there are hundreds of thousands that want this to be a sailing simulator. It's just not what this game is. I wish Ark had went a different way. It didn't. But I accepted it. And didn't cry about it either. I moved onto games that I enjoyed.
@mojo-spaghettio I am not looking for a fight .. but you are too joining in on this nonsense ? Tells allot about you people
@flowerofcarnage If you are getting genuinely griefed, then just swap instance? There is no way for them to follow you.
How are you getting griefed anyway? Harassment over voice chat?
@blackelite-id16 thats not an assumption. Why do you think there are no NPC ships in the game (and I believe it's been stated that they won't add them)? You're meant to be wondering what that other ships motives are. Are they friendly? are they hostile? If you take that away I think your are removing one of the core design principles of the game and by making separate servers you will split the community. The game is what it is and you like it or you don't, it really is that simple.
Something to think about, quit being sensitive. Accept failure, accept challenge. In life, you will do BETTER by failing and learning from it. Majority of successful and wealthy people have failed continuously. Unfortunately you've most likely never heard about it. It's not fun and our education literally punishes from failure and makes it irreversible, which is completely wrong in my honest opinion. I personally didn't like the PvE concepts of the game, but after doing them, I surprisingly started to like it.
Why? Because I became better at it by doing it. It's the same as PvP, as you get better, you will have fun. The moment you fail, DO NOT play a victim and ask for change. You learn to be better. Bite your tongue and try again. It's sad, because I shouldn't be teaching this to people on a video game, but this is what our society has gone to. We have people crying about being a pirate in a pirate game. I'm not even asking you to fight, but be more strategic and find ways to avoids and lose enemies. I'm sure it'll eventually be fun even doing that.
Suggesting ways to completely alter the game beyond what was advertised is completely selfish and not fair to the core players that the game was aiming for. You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled without criticism to say we're morally wrong people and therefore deserve to be insulted.
@nostrusuk Not necessarily. Though I am with you, the pvp makes the experience more heart pumping and i do enjoy that a pve co op only environment would attract a lot of gamers. POTCO was a very successful game and it had flag up only pvp. PVPer, like myself could travel the map fighting and chasing bounty ships. You lower the reward, add pve ships and more pve elements attacking the player. As it is now you have a couple of groups all working together closing in on legendary as focused teams. On the other hand many are already bored and are just engaging anything that moves just for the "pvp". They can have it both ways. Besides true competitors do not see a day one or a two man sloop very much of a challenge with a competent crew on a galleon.
@si1ent-joe said in Pve servers would rip the heart out of this game:
@noblackthunder It's bullying that is happening
This is just utter nonsense. YOU CANT BE BULLIED IN A FAKE WORLD. Dont like what someone is doing, TURN IT OFF.
@lord-dyonsus Funny the definition doesn't say only in the real world. Must be that cyber bullying I've heard about.
Bully
NOUN
a person who uses strength or power to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.
synonyms: persecutor · oppressor · tyrant · tormentor · browbeater · intimidator · [more]
VERB
use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants.
@si1ent-joe
Its a game, einstien. Your argument doesnt hold water. By your definition, a bully uses supirior strenghth to intimidate. No one is stronger than anyone else in the game, hence YOU CANT BE BULLIED. If you let a nameless, faceless idiot affect you in a game, you are weak. Suck it up, buttercup.
@billy-ironkidd I guess me and my boys must be one of the few organised teams.
Look at Ultima Online for a game that was gutted when they split a game developed with world PvP as a core concept to different PvE and PvP areas. PvE players rattled through the PvE content and then quit, same as any other game with linear PvE content. You learn the mechanics and put stuff on farm.
That's not engaging content.
@a-trusty-mango said in Pve servers would rip the heart out of this game:
@nostrusuk Snort. No it wasn't. This game was built up around having a core group of friends to go have adventures and explore the Seas with. PvP here seems and feels like it was added in as a after thought for fun random encounters while you sail around. But then you get people who will take any game with any inch of PvP and go, it's a pvp game. They have pvp. Therefore, the game was build around pvp type of mentality and it is quite sad.
Well then they picked a bad theme and a bad title for the game.
Since this thread has devolved into personal attacks and arguments, we are locking the thread. Please remember the Pirate Code, and treat fellow pirates with respect!
