I really love this game and love playing it with friends as well as alone. I'm just surprised that even after all of the new content that is put in the game for other people to do (which is alot) it is STILL difficult to play solo. For the most part I was alone on the server, but no joke every single ship I came across was hostile AF and would just attack my sloop for no reason. I was lucky and most of the time, I had no cargo but it is extremely frustrating. For example, the last time I was out, I saw a brigentine way out in the distance and thought "oh it kind of looks like it's heading towards me.. maybe not" so I continued on. 5 min goes by and I stop at an island. This guy was still following me and exploded a barrel in my ship. Actually managed to start fixing it, but he stopped and shot another crew mate over just to personally kill me. He didn't stick around or anything. Just wanted to do a sail-by. I know nothing is going to change and I still love this game, but for the love of god I hope people can stop trolling for no reason. Like if they came and threatened to take my loot or else or said ANYTHING it wouldn't be as bad, but the majority of the time it's just hit and run for no reason at all. I realise it's called Sea of Thieves, but it's also NOT called Sea of Murder everything that moves without thinking.
Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason
I would do the same thing. Just because, as you demonstrated, even if I'm in visual range for a long time there's still a chance I have the element of surprise considering how unaware a lot of players are. It also should come as no surprise that they didn't stick around considering you had no loot for them to pick up.
Also, even if you had loot I can still sympathize. There's been many instances where I've jumped off my ship to check out another ship while sailing past, and then upon sinking said ship my crewmates just flat out refuse to come pick up the loot because they're too busy "grinding".
@ticked-emperor I could make the same type of post saying that it seems to be sea of friends right now because I've been solo slooping quite a bit lately (I've been getting my Commendations for Tall tales done over the weekend) and I've not been agressively approached in a long while, I've even been approached by a sloop who just wanted to accept my alliance so I could take part in the selling of his massive lootstash (thanks m8 whoever you are you're awesome).
It's ok to attack and to be attacked, it's part of the freedom this game gives us all. Taking your loot is also a lot easier if and when you're dead and your ship is on the bottom of the ocean. It's simple logic.
Besides is it murder if someone respawns? (no honestly I'd love to know would that really be murder?)
@ticked-emperor So you knew a brig was around, you even saw it kind of going your way, but you stopped at an island to do a voyage. Didn't check where their ship was until it already exploded a keg of gunpowder ? Blame is on you, not them, they are not trolling but playing the game as intended.
You have tons of mechanics if you don't want to be caught, you won't be caught. You made way too many mistakes, you got sunk and that's on you, not them for playing the game.
The general attitude towards other ships has changed a lot over the last year. It is to a large extent the near total lack of any repercussions that has helped this philosophy come about.
There is little incentive to work together and nothing to lose (unless you are loaded with treasure which happens NEVER anymore) by just cannonballing every ship on sight.
It's a lack of consequences, not a lack of content.
@ellisgoodenough sagte in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
@ticked-emperor So you knew a brig was around, you even saw it kind of going your way, but you stopped at an island to do a voyage. Didn't check where their ship was until it already exploded a keg of gunpowder ? Blame is on you, not them, they are not trolling but playing the game as intended.
You have tons of mechanics if you don't want to be caught, you won't be caught. You made way too many mistakes, you got sunk and that's on you, not them for playing the game.
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@itskingbertie said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
Don’t complain about PVP people will tell you to stop playing or got gud lool
Or maybe, just maybe, look over your shoulder once in a while especially if you know threats are around? Basic stuff really. Even skelly ships can sneak up on you when you are at an island :)
@bloodybil said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
@itskingbertie said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
Don’t complain about PVP people will tell you to stop playing or got gud lool
Or maybe, just maybe, look over your shoulder once in a while especially if you know threats are around? Basic stuff really. Even skelly ships can sneak up on you when you are at an island :)
Hey I’ve no problem I’ve been a solo sloop since launch - I did leave the community and game for a while because of the griefing and the only answer being “git gud” or “its a pirate game”
I have came back and thoroughly enjoy the empty servers feel just like a pve server expect the only people left are the griefers who found out how bad their are at PVP once they faced actual oppents in the arena and struggled, and now feel good cus they can attack on adventure against the not PLS and newbies back like launch!
I just really want the community to be friendly, every time I’ve had a experience or an afternoon on this game in alliances or meeting friendly players / other solo sloops have been soo much better then the nights I had to survive against said amount of thirsty pirates who can’t even act sportsman like when being a pirate lol just thugs with a platform to allow griefing
@ticked-emperor everyone is giving you grief, but I understand. I have sunk my share of ships, but with only a few exceptions if I sink a ship we are sticking around to see if they had loot.
I do confess I have sunk a few that I left, but those tend to be ships that I attacked alone for practice while my crew sailed away, and I didn't actually expect the attacks to work. And they were 1 vs 3 or 1 vs 4 situations, so they had a fair shot.
That being said, everyone is correct that you have to be vigilant, unless you are sure a ship is sailing away from you you have to assume they are waiting to attack.
@willy-pordobel said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
Rare took the correct path when adding the Arena as a place for players to PvP like mad but in doing so left the Adventure mode's gate wide open for some seriously unfair PvP encounters for the more friendly, dare I say "Adventurous" Pirates on the seas.
In an open world PvPvE game (Eve Online, Black Desert Online, or any survival game), if you are going into a fair fight you are doing something wrong.
Fair fights are left for vs games like Overwatch, League of Legends, Call of Duty, Street Fighter etc....
and to the OP, If I am in the Thieving mood, I would to go every single ship I see and kill the crew and STEAL... you may not have treasure (I won't know that until I board you btw) , but I sure as hell do need those planks, cannon balls and food.
but in your defence, yeah killing players and leaving the resources and treasure? that's literally grieffing. Your whole MO is to cause grief to the player you killed.
@viperishemu2992 said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
The general attitude towards other ships has changed a lot over the last year. It is to a large extent the near total lack of any repercussions that has helped this philosophy come about.
There is little incentive to work together and nothing to lose (unless you are loaded with treasure which happens NEVER anymore) by just cannonballing every ship on sight.
It's a lack of consequences, not a lack of content.
I have played since day one and you are completely wrong. If you are not watching your ship at all times, Sloop, Brig and or Galleon, you are just setting yourself up for failure. I had my Athena level 10 right after the Thrones Event was added to the game, and with all those 90+ Athena chests I had to do, most were done on a sloop, solo or with one other player. I never lost one chest to PvP because I was always watching the horizon and staying aware who was around me at all times. Many times I would have to stop mid Athena to jump back on board and drop sails to get away from a 4 man team. Killing others players and sinking their ship is a HUGE part of this game, and for all the people complaining about "Toxic" players killing and sinking them, maybe a new forum section should be created called "Bought the Wrong Game" and everybody can go in there and complain how they lost their loot to "Pirates" and how this game is no fun. Then rest of us "Real" Pirates can block those people and not have to read these stupid posts every few days from really bad players.
@itskingbertie a dit dans Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason :
Hey I’ve no problem I’ve been a solo sloop since launch - I did leave the community and game for a while because of the griefing and the only answer being “git gud” or “its a pirate game”
I have came back and thoroughly enjoy the empty servers feel just like a pve server expect the only people left are the griefers who found out how bad their are at PVP once they faced actual oppents in the arena and struggled, and now feel good cus they can attack on adventure against the not PLS and newbies back like launch!
I just really want the community to be friendly, every time I’ve had a experience or an afternoon on this game in alliances or meeting friendly players / other solo sloops have been soo much better then the nights I had to survive against said amount of thirsty pirates who can’t even act sportsman like when being a pirate lol just thugs with a platform to allow griefing
TLDR; Do anything apart from PvE, you're a griefer.
@ellisgoodenough said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
@itskingbertie a dit dans Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason :
Hey I’ve no problem I’ve been a solo sloop since launch - I did leave the community and game for a while because of the griefing and the only answer being “git gud” or “its a pirate game”
I have came back and thoroughly enjoy the empty servers feel just like a pve server expect the only people left are the griefers who found out how bad their are at PVP once they faced actual oppents in the arena and struggled, and now feel good cus they can attack on adventure against the not PLS and newbies back like launch!
I just really want the community to be friendly, every time I’ve had a experience or an afternoon on this game in alliances or meeting friendly players / other solo sloops have been soo much better then the nights I had to survive against said amount of thirsty pirates who can’t even act sportsman like when being a pirate lol just thugs with a platform to allow griefing
TLDR; Do anything apart from PvE, you're a griefer.
Do anything apart from PVE in adventure mode, makes you a griefer apparently lol.
@willy-pordobel said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
Rare took the correct path when adding the Arena as a place for players to PvP like mad but in doing so left the Adventure mode's gate wide open for some seriously unfair PvP encounters for the more friendly, dare I say "Adventurous" Pirates on the seas.
Coming from a "Founder" you should know that everybody is an "Active" target on the SoT. Before Arena was even thought of, people were attacking ships to see what they had on board, and if they had nothing , they would steal all of your supplies, so they could continue on their night of "Adventuring." Since Alliance's were introduced every so called Pirate has gotten complacent in thinking everyone is your "Sea of Thieves Buddies" and everyone that is actually Pirating your stuff is somehow not playing the game correctly or being "Toxic." This attitude is wrong, it is not being "Toxic" to be a better Pirate on the Sea of Thieves. You have stated that people who are into arena somehow have a "Seriously unfair advantage" in the Adventure mode which is wrong. We all start into a new server fresh out of the gate, if you don't load up your ship and prepare for the chance of PvP everytime you play this game, you are just setting yourself up for failure. If you are bad at close encounter PvP then develop a play style where as soon as you see a ship coming in your direction, drop sails and go, not come to the forums and say PvP is unbalanced, because people keep catching you off guard.
@ticked-emperor you can't change this one because people bring out there worst side out online and two people try to be (mod edits) pirates
@ticked-emperor said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
I'm just surprised ..... it is STILL difficult to play solo.
This is probably one of the main causes of salt on these forums. This game was never designed to be played solo.
The sloop was added pretty late in the design process. And it wasn't until after the game released that "Closed" crews were implemented. And only then could you force the game to let you play solo.
Just because Rare eventually added that option, it doesn't change how the game was designed. Because the game wasn't designed for solo play, it will always be difficult to play solo.
Think of this game as a see-saw (teeter-totter, whatever you call it). Not designed for solo play. Can you still play on it? Sure but don't be surprised if it's more difficult to have fun. And don't be surprised if people look at you funny if you complain about how hard it is to play by yourself on it.
@rotax99 said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
@viperishemu2992 said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
The general attitude towards other ships has changed a lot over the last year. It is to a large extent the near total lack of any repercussions that has helped this philosophy come about.
There is little incentive to work together and nothing to lose (unless you are loaded with treasure which happens NEVER anymore) by just cannonballing every ship on sight.
It's a lack of consequences, not a lack of content.
I have played since day one and you are completely wrong. If you are not watching your ship at all times, Sloop, Brig and or Galleon, you are just setting yourself up for failure. I had my Athena level 10 right after the Thrones Event was added to the game, and with all those 90+ Athena chests I had to do, most were done on a sloop, solo or with one other player. I never lost one chest to PvP because I was always watching the horizon and staying aware who was around me at all times. Many times I would have to stop mid Athena to jump back on board and drop sails to get away from a 4 man team. Killing others players and sinking their ship is a HUGE part of this game, and for all the people complaining about "Toxic" players killing and sinking them, maybe a new forum section should be created called "Bought the Wrong Game" and everybody can go in there and complain how they lost their loot to "Pirates" and how this game is no fun. Then rest of us "Real" Pirates can block those people and not have to read these stupid posts every few days from really bad players.
I have also played almost every day since launch and I also was PL10 around the time the Hungering Deep came out. So I have a pretty good idea of how the game and player base has evolved.
The general attitude of the community has tilted over the last year to a far more "shoot first, talk later" style of play.
btw- My OP was about the lack of consequences/repercussions for a players actions contributing to an increase in aggressive play. Why you are bringing playing strategy, complaints about toxic players, buying the wrong game, and how awesome you are at keeping your treasure chests into this conversation is beyond me???? Where did any of this come from? Are you sure that you are responding to the right post? None of these things are relevant to what I have posted here?
You claim that every ship you've come across is hostile, but when I was soloing all of my Tall Tales commendations I only saw friendlies and I was even able to form a couple of alliances.
I'm guessing that the balance is right where it should be then.
@viperishemu2992 You were complaining about how the game has changed this year into a "shoot first, talk later style of play."
I was telling you that is wrong, it hasn't changed, it has been that way since launch.
Then I went on to tell you that you that "Toxic" players are not the "new" problem due to Rare not giving them "Consequences" like you stated , for just playing the game the way it was supposed to be played. Not sure if you are aware of the Definition of the word Pirate: "A person who robs or commits illegal violence at sea or on the shores of the sea." My point was you and others like you who always complain about other "Pirates" must have bought the wrong game.@rotax99 said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
@viperishemu2992 You were complaining about how the game has changed this year into a "shoot first, talk later style of play."
I was telling you that is wrong, it hasn't changed, it has been that way since launch.
Then I went on to tell you that you that "Toxic" players are not the "new" problem due to Rare not giving them "Consequences" like you stated , for just playing the game the way it was supposed to be played. Not sure if you are aware of the Definition of the word Pirate: "A person who robs or commits illegal violence at sea or on the shores of the sea." My point was you and others like you who always complain about other "Pirates" must have bought the wrong game.Well you are wrong about that. Sorry. It's become more "shoot first talk later" than it used to be. Maybe not in your opinion, but in my experience this is the trend that I have seen.
And I am not complaining about Pirates. I have sunk more ships and stolen more treasure than you could ever hope to dream of doing. Please don't lump me into some group or assume put words in my mouth.
I don't know who exactly you are harbouring all this vile hatred for? But please spit it at the proper source.
@ellisgoodenough said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
@itskingbertie a dit dans Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason :
Hey I’ve no problem I’ve been a solo sloop since launch - I did leave the community and game for a while because of the griefing and the only answer being “git gud” or “its a pirate game”
I have came back and thoroughly enjoy the empty servers feel just like a pve server expect the only people left are the griefers who found out how bad their are at PVP once they faced actual oppents in the arena and struggled, and now feel good cus they can attack on adventure against the not PLS and newbies back like launch!
I just really want the community to be friendly, every time I’ve had a experience or an afternoon on this game in alliances or meeting friendly players / other solo sloops have been soo much better then the nights I had to survive against said amount of thirsty pirates who can’t even act sportsman like when being a pirate lol just thugs with a platform to allow griefing
TLDR; Do anything apart from PvE, you're a griefer.
Hey at the bottom I put “UN-SPORTSMAN LIKE”
I get that u will be killed from time to time and understand a lot of people just progress of others but I’m talking about the fact they have to 4v2 you, when u watch the horizon and see a gally sail straight past another over towards you knowing well they didn’t fight a fair fight but they don’t mind taking on me and my sloop, I wonder why!
@viperishemu2992 said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
I don't know who exactly you are harbouring all this vile hatred for? But please spit it at the proper source.
Vile hatred, really? Disagreement is vile hatred now huh. No wonder some people cry wolf about toxicity at the drop of a pin.
@viperishemu2992 "And I am not complaining about Pirates. I have sunk more ships and stolen more treasure than you could ever hope to dream of doing."
Ok, coming from somebody who has their profile on private, I will post my stats so we can compare :
GH chests cashed in: 6705
Distance Sailed: 17,541,620
Voyages Completed: 1345
OoS Skulls cashed in : 5570
Merchant Alliance Cargo Delivered: 5440
Islands Visited: 11,949
All items in game purchased and 8million in gold in my inventory.
But I don't know what I am talking about apparently, I need to play more I guess.I disagree with you on how the attitude has changed, if anything it has been the opposite, with people sailing around with alliance flags up all the time, and then they scuttle and server change the moment any PvP is seen on the server.
@itskingbertie And I like being the underdog, I like fighting 2v1, 3v1 or even sometimes 4v1. I don't always win but it always makes me better and that's certain. Sailing away is the easiest thing in the game and you have every advantage over your ennemy chasing you. If you don't want to fight in "unfair fights" in a pirate game, just be a coward and sail away everytime you see a ship in the horizon. Sail directly into the wind with your sloop and no one will catch you. Get cursed cannonballs, explosive kegs to drop in the water when they are chasing you.
Play smart and you won't need to fight these unfair fights.
@viperishemu2992 I believe you're mixing up opinions and facts here. To be honest this whole thing is based on opinions and personal experiences as opposed to facts shared across the board.
I've not been actively attacked in months now yet I'm reading about people getting "griefed" and everyone being agressive.
In my opinion the seas have never been calmer, I've rarely not been in allainces that are constantly turning in fish and loot and I've only rarely been attacked.So Are you wrong? I can't say as much as you can't say I'm wrong. We've had different experiences, probably by playing in different regions with different playstyles and different time slots.
Please don't flat out accuse someone of lying just because you eperienced something different, settle down and accept that other people have other experiences, don't be so defensive and don't be so agressively posting about the doom and gloom all the time.@itskingbertie said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
@ellisgoodenough said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
@itskingbertie a dit dans Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason :
Hey I’ve no problem I’ve been a solo sloop since launch - I did leave the community and game for a while because of the griefing and the only answer being “git gud” or “its a pirate game”
I have came back and thoroughly enjoy the empty servers feel just like a pve server expect the only people left are the griefers who found out how bad their are at PVP once they faced actual oppents in the arena and struggled, and now feel good cus they can attack on adventure against the not PLS and newbies back like launch!
I just really want the community to be friendly, every time I’ve had a experience or an afternoon on this game in alliances or meeting friendly players / other solo sloops have been soo much better then the nights I had to survive against said amount of thirsty pirates who can’t even act sportsman like when being a pirate lol just thugs with a platform to allow griefing
TLDR; Do anything apart from PvE, you're a griefer.
Hey at the bottom I put “UN-SPORTSMAN LIKE”
I get that u will be killed from time to time and understand a lot of people just progress of others but I’m talking about the fact they have to 4v2 you, when u watch the horizon and see a gally sail straight past another over towards you knowing well they didn’t fight a fair fight but they don’t mind taking on me and my sloop, I wonder why!
Size of ship doesn't matter, some galleon crews are clueless, some sloop crews are lethal. You never know what you are about to face. Nothing to do with sportsmanship, when you see an opportunity you take it.
@viperishemu2992 said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
The general attitude towards other ships has changed a lot over the last year. It is to a large extent the near total lack of any repercussions that has helped this philosophy come about.
There is little incentive to work together and nothing to lose (unless you are loaded with treasure which happens NEVER anymore) by just cannonballing every ship on sight.
It's a lack of consequences, not a lack of content.
The general lack of loot on ships is a bit annoying, always was. Maybe some sort of multiplier to award a crew for turning in a lot of loot in one go would help, idk.
@willy-pordobel said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
Rare took the correct path when adding the Arena as a place for players to PvP like mad but in doing so left the Adventure mode's gate wide open for some seriously unfair PvP encounters for the more friendly, dare I say "Adventurous" Pirates on the seas.
Remember the forum before Arena? Care bears were begging for a separate PvP mode to shield them from the big bad PvPers, to which myself and others protested that this would only lead to less of the enjoyable sea battles between good crews for those of us who stay in what is now known as Adventure mode. And consequently more preying on care bears since that's basically what we're left with. I just came back to the game and have played quite a bit the past week. And lo and behold, pretty much all I see now is easy battles. I've yet to have a drawn out, really tense ship battle like the ones I had in the past. (I feel making serverwide events constant also contribute to this, before you would regularly have two or more ships constesting a fort because it was a somewhat rare occurance. Now it's just another thing you can do when you feel like it.)
All I can say to the ones pushing for this change is: I hope you're happy now.
@rk1-turbulence hasn't stopped me I finished my arena wins now I'm stealing fort loot and any other loot people have on board in adventure
@fast-bike94 said in Sea of Murder Everything that Moves for No Reason:
@rk1-turbulence hasn't stopped me I finished my arena wins now I'm stealing fort loot and any other loot people have on board in adventure
Good for you. I've only played four Arena matches myself, of which we won two. It's kinda fun, but not as fun as adventure imo.
@rk1-turbulence yeah agreed although indo enjoy people getting salty in arena when they can't get you off their boat
@rk1-turbulence Since I often play solo, I usually keep my eyes on the horizon, rarely get attacked, and rarely engage in a battle I don't want. If I see an opportunity I always seize it, however. And if I get bested I'll either tip my hat to a job well done, or come back with a vengeance if I think I can get my loot back!
Last night I had a great battle that spanned almost 2 hours on and off. I was thinking about logging off, and I had just dropped off most of my loot except for a pair of captain's chests. In the distance I saw a sloop being pursued by a brig. At first I thought they were in an alliance when I saw that the sloop had an alliance banner flying, but when I turned my spyglass to the brig I noticed it was not flying a matching flag, but was waving the jolly roger.
I immediately drop my sails and head toward the sloop (keeping my chests on board - if I get sunk whoever sinks me should get a little something after all). the sloop fires a warning shot over my head as I climb my ladder and join their alliance. I get the "Sorry!" text as I slide down and get back on my wheel, cutting between the two boats to engage the brig. Once the sloop saw it had some back up it turned to engage as well.
It was a great battle. Eventually the brig was sunk but many cannonballs and planks were used on all sides. I meet up with the other sloop and exchange words for the first time from boat to boat (no one is allowed on board unless they're a part of my crew). He's working on a Tall Tale. I tell him I'm not interested in doing that, but I let him know I can keep an eye on his boat from a distance while I do some fishing - essentially becoming his bodyguard.
We engaged that brig three more times before the night was through. I would tuck behind an island or rock but just in sight of the sloop and wait for the brig to show up again and we would have excellent battles. Everyone was sunk at least once, but I was able to collect the other sloop's TT goods and hand them back over when they respawned.
Overall it was one of the most fun nights I've had in this game and included both TT and PvP, even fishing played it's part! We all were exchanging compliments and trash talk on the Ferry of the Damned and having a good laugh. Once the other sloop wrapped up their TT, we decided to see if we could find the brig and as them to a pint in a show of good sportsmanship.
We all met for a pint at Golden Sands, played some music, and all signed off with a bang when one of the brig crew brought a keg in. We all played a tune while the fuse burned down and when we all were on the FotD we signed out one by one.
Ended up with 4 new potential crew mates that night and had a great time. Felt like this was a good place to share this story.
@badrobott Love it! Great story. I also made friends out of former enemies, this is a part I love about this game. Too bad for the people who missed friendship opportunities by being sore losers or winners.
