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@xx-elite-kb said in I'm tired of everyone saying people playing on pc is a hacker:

Mate is this Business studies because I’m doing level 1 and I feel like monitor sounds familiar.

??? my MSI curved 27in computer monitor not sure what your talking about with business studies

@algaram Monitor crosshair: I'm sure the crosshair isn't burned into the glass and you only bring it up to play games.

Macros - Depends. Some macros are bannable in this game. I think if you are using a macro to double gun, well...

It's a skill based game and you're bypassing that by using your monitor's crosshair to aim and your macros to swap guns faster than humanly possible (if that's the type of macro you're using) - no skill required. I call that lame at best, and cheating at worst.

Its not even using macros and such, its the fact that people cant understand that some people either get lucky or are just better so they jump to the fact people are hacking

@bran-the-ent said in I'm tired of everyone saying people playing on pc is a hacker:

@algaram Monitor crosshair: I'm sure the crosshair isn't burned into the glass and you only bring it up to play games.

Macros - Depends. Some macros are bannable in this game. I think if you are using a macro to double gun, well...

It's a skill based game and you're bypassing that by using your monitor's crosshair to aim and your macros to swap guns faster than humanly possible (if that's the type of macro you're using) - no skill required. I call that lame at best, and cheating at worst.

If you were eating a steak and giving two knives to use a butter knives and a steak knife would you use the butter knive no you would always use the better sharper one, just like anything in this world you will always use the better tool. So since my monitor has a cross hair I just shouldn’t turn it on because other people don’t have the same monitor. I my mouse has 20 buttons I just shouldn’t use them because other people don’t have them. Again anything we do in this world we will always use the better tools to win/get the job done. In a car race do they stop people because one car has a bigger engine or better tires to grip the road? When someone bowling do they stop the guy that had a ball made to fit his hand perfectly with perfect wait and balance? If they do not want pc players using things that most pc gamers use I.e. gaming keyboards/mouse/macros/faster and better hardware then they shouldn’t have made the game for pc

@captn-crushem said in I'm tired of everyone saying people playing on pc is a hacker:

@algaram I would say yes it's cheating since it's third party as @Dennis-Box stated while I was typing this. Cross platform is here to stay and my crew usually has 1 or 2 xbox players while I'm on PC.

Well I guess using a third party app like discord to find better players for your crew is cheating as well

So some third party apps are ok but some are not that checks out.

Pc players will for the most part use tools that are built into there gaming rigs so again if they don’t want it they shouldn’t have made it for pc

I guess I just shouldn’t use my gaming mouse that was made for gaming to give a player an edge

One more thing this whole level playing field is c**p anyways any real mmo not a single person is on a level playing field with gear upgrades character skill points ect ect ect

WOW has a pvp arena and there are totem slingers out there that write and use macros that would blow your mind and yet they are still on the pvp leaderboards. this care bear attitude everyone has to be the same is c**p. And even in this game a PL has an advantage over a sailor at any giving point called exp.

@algaram said in I'm tired of everyone saying people playing on pc is a hacker:

If you were eating a steak and giving two knives to use a butter knives and a steak knife would you use the butter knive no you would always use the better sharper one, just like anything in this world you will always use the better tool.

You aren’t eating steak. You are playing a game with other people. You’re analogy is seriously flawed. To fix it, if you were in a steak eating contest where everyone is else is given butter knives and the aim is to use skill to make the most of the butter knife and you bring a steak knife, you are cheating at the steak eating contest.

So since my monitor has a cross hair I just shouldn’t turn it on because other people don’t have the same monitor. I my mouse has 20 buttons I just shouldn’t use them because other people don’t have them.

Yeah, you shouldn’t use it in this game (or any game where aim is a skill). Yeah, you shouldn’t use macros in a game where shooting is skill based.

This is not simply eating steak where nobody cares how fast you can cut. It’s a skill-based game. As I said, you’re bypassing that. And, if you can get away with it, that’s on you. But, anybody reading this thread now knows you don’t use skill to get ahead in this skill based game. That’s not something to be proud of. As I said, lame at best. Lame. Laughably so.

@algaram

Using a dot/corsair on your screen is explicit use of something external to give you an advantage. I wouldn't call it cheat, just extremely distasteful. It is an old trick and usually if you consider yourself a gamer is something you stop using at a later age.

Using 20 mouse buttons, go ahead. Everyone has the same buttons they can hotkey, if you want everything on your mouse... go for it. Control schemes are open and should remain that way as not everyone has the same physical characteristics and disabilities should not exclude them from playing if they could get around it with some hotkey differences and practice.

Macros.... well this is grey territory as it matters what you use it for. Combat? In that case plain and simple, exploitation at a minimum and could be considered a cheat. At least for this game.

There is a simple ways to consider these things, just ask to yourself the following:

• If I didn't have it and someone else was using it against me, would that be fair? If you would say no to that question, then the answer is simple: don't use it.

• Does this reduce the skill required for executing it? Does this affect other people? If both these answers are true then don't use it.

After that it is up to you what you do, but do know exploitation of your system and ingame bugs are also considered to be punishable offenses based on your own usage of them. Use at your own risk.

Yes, tools are made for PCs but that doesn't mean they are condoned for use in every scenario and in every game. RARE didn't make those tools. It is like saying, well they put a V8 engine in my car I should always ride 200 km/h even if it is next to a school. Just cause you can doesn't mean it is allowed or a good thing to do.

Btw. I am on a monster of a PC at home, have a full gaming rig with dedicated macro buttons on my keyboard and all that jazz. Though I don't use any of the external tools to amplify my gameplay and I have a degree in IT, so I know how to use these systems well.

I want to know that I beat people by outplaying them and not just cause I am making my life easier. So, yes I am sometimes called a cheater even though it is not true.

@timboagogo said in I'm tired of everyone saying people playing on pc is a hacker:

@swimplatypus7

Oh well thanks very much for clearing that up for everyone. You really misunderstood what I said though.
The playing field is not level!

But the differences are still small enough that with a little more skill you can overcome the gap.

If you don't think this is true, you are underestimating what some of your xbox mates are doing. One of the best PVPers I know is on an xBox and he gets called a cheater or PC player all the time.

If you have suggestions on how to decrease the gap more feel free to make a new thread. Just don't think removing PC players is going to change much, we are with few in comparison and there some talented players on xbox.

@algaram said in I'm tired of everyone saying people playing on pc is a hacker:

so my monitor has a cross hair built into it and lines up perfectly with the sights in game so i never need to aim, Is that a cheat or exploit, my keyboard and mouse software makes macros for me (Logitech) i don't think that's cheating, just using resources giving to me. its like saying hey go dig a hole and 1 guy has a shuffle and tell the next guy dig a hole and he has a backhoe, Well i my self would go by a bigger backhoe (i.e. faster pc and better mouse keyboard monitors ect ect ect). Its get sickening being called a cheater/hacker i wish they would split the community and make it non cross platform so then we wouldn't have to hear that a pc player is cheating every time an xbox players looses and or dies, I am just afraid there is not enough people playing to split it up

An exploit is like a game mechanic used to your advantage. All u mention is NO game mechanic. U actually create an advantage outside of the game boundries. I wouldnt say cheat but this isnt a clean way to play.

Is that feature in the game?
No

Well if it's not, then you're cheating. No discussions to have here.

@algaram
another question u can ask yourself.

What if this was competitive championship u think this would be allowed? No i dont think so. And u actually become worse if u enter a tournement because now u will loose your lovely crossair. Bye great aim. Basicly u are cheating yourself

@cotu42 I have to say I like your post. I play both PC and XBox, and I will say I am not the most skilled at PvP, but I feel I am better than average. I am working on getting better at it.

But I would like to add to your suggestion that there is little noticeable difference. And that is simply not true. When I play someone, I can generally tell they are on PC or not. Some simple movements is all it takes to see that they are on PC vs xbox. Generally speaking this does make a difference if you are against someone of equal and even sometimes lesser skill than yourself. It does tip the scales in favor of the PC player. It is NOT because they are cheating, but rather because PC simply is faster. Especially for those with gaming PC's.

I don't go out looking for PvP, though I am sure that will change with Arena, but I generally only PvP if it comes my way. Feels more organic and immersive that way for me. And even with that, I still get plenty of PvP action. In all the battles I have been in, I can say for sure that I was victim to cheating only a handful of times. And I was a victim to game lag a handful of others, or some other glitches in the game. I have beaten PC players before, but it is definitely not the same ratio of win loss as it is going up against other console peeps. And again, you can tell the difference between the two.

I will also add that generally, most PC players are simply better at the PvP in game, not just because of their advantages from the gear they use, but also because they tend to be more dedicated to gaming in general. They have a lot more hours behind that keyboard and mouse than your average console player and generally play other highly skilled PvP games.

@algaram Sorry mate, but based on what you have admitted, I would say that you are exploiting tools outside of the game design itself to improve your own chances. I have to say that you are in fact cheating IMHO. I don't feel every, or even a majority of PC players are cheating. But what you describe falls under that definition for my own view.

Edit: you might want to be careful with admitting stuff such as this on an open forum like this. Rare has been banning accounts when cheating has occurred. And if they read this and believe it is in fact cheating under their own ToS, then you might have spelled your own doom.

@knifelife I have seen many people say that once KB/M support makes it to XBox/SoT then things will balance out. But I wonder if that is true after reading the OP. I mean, will the xbox KB/M support and Sot support on console allow for external macros? I doubt it.

@knifelife I can agree with that. But here is a thought for you, like you, I prefer a controller. Even when I play PC. But, because I have felt like the controller gets in my own way some times, or at least it hinders me, especially in PvP, or skelly combat even, I have now upgraded to an Elite controller. I can say with confidence that I am much better with the Elite controller than I was the regular. And I am still getting used to the Elite controller and use of the paddles for A, B, X, Y functions. But it definitely makes moving around, while attacking or doing any number of other functions, a bit faster than it was before.

Would you want to have this as a separate input selection than, or would it fall under the controller selection?

I really can't tell if you're trolling or not. And with the run on sentence I don't think it matters. You can tape crosshairs on a TV if you wanted. Doing this has nothing to do with hardware. The double shot can be done without these "macros" that everyone talks about, console or PC. This game needs a global cooldown to prevent this anyway regardless of platform.

I play on a controller on my PC sometimes but the analog stick has it's limitations over a mouse. It's a nice touch that they give you the option to modify the look sensitivity separate from the aim on each weapon but a mouse will always be superior in the right hands.

Framerate only makes a difference in close, fast combat and I'd say that I'd prefer a low stable fps over variants from 60-100. Unless you're dropping under 30 (I'd hazard a guess that only low end gaming pc's do this) it's not a huge issue.