The question no one is asking

@barnabas-seadog For me it would be dependent of the way the games industry as a whole is going.

Would i do it just so i could have a balanced SoT? No.. i would not change my whole set up and spend alot of money to just cater for one unbalanced game.

Now saying that if it basically became the norm where most games where utilising M&K support and it seemed to be the future and the best way to get a good experiance out of the games i enjoy..then it is something i would consider and look into for sure.

Although that always begs the question though, if i was using a mouse and keyboard on a console and it was basically imitating a potato PC why would i even want to have a console? Lol surely i would be better of just jumping to an actual PC.

TL:DR- For one game no, if it became the norm for the majority of games and was turning into the future, i would consider it. Or i would just get a PC aha.

@Genuine-Heather You are forced though? Not having an option is exactly that if you wish to play the game. And it isnt well documented at all, its in the small print like every other thing.

@WestStormborn The irony of how your whole post is calling people out for whining and yet thats all your post is, you offer no solution or ideas to provide a solution or futher the conversation. That in itself did make me laugh like Jabba.

@nebenkuh I agree and they would be something I would 100% look into, they actually look pretty cool and modern i like them. But like i said above i would only do that if the trend changed in console gaming andnthe majority of games had the better experience with that.

I wouldnt invest in it just for SoT. :)

@Barnabas-Seadog Yeah my point is though, if you are going to spend money to upgrade your system to be "Like" a computer, the way i see it you might aswell just go and get a computer lol.

@squaz05 So your saying basically because a very small percentage of players use XIMs to gain an advantage that we should all just accept the game not being balanced across all platforms?

Surley thats just like me saying well nothing should be done to combat hackers and Modders then you should just accept it for what it is.

But SoT has a device checker on the main menu to tell whether you have a headset plugged in or if you are in party or game chat, surley the same system could be implemented to check input device.

@PersonalC0ffee I do not remember that article, however nothing in game development is static or final. Rares game is a GaS so it will inevitably change and adapt to the players needs and requirements as time goes on. If there was a concrete answer on crossplay like a few off you claim. Then there would be a copy and paste response what the mods and deckhands would paste before they lock the thread. That however is not the case we are all still waiting on a response from Rare from the Megathread feedback.

Also you say they have added extra sensitivety, i tried it yesterday and couldn't really notice much of a difference, but on other games i generally have pretty high sens so that might be why.

But i do think sensitivity is apart of the problem however when you put into comparison of muscle memory and accuracy between my thumb and then my whole arm wrist and hand there is going to be a lot of difference in consistency.

@SquaZ05 I don't understand the point you are trying to get across but i will try and answer to the best of my ability.

Firstly optional crossplay and completely shutting it off are two completely different things. The main thing being a choice to be able to jump at your own leasure.

And the neither the XboxOneX or the Original Xbox one has support for a keyboard or mouse currently, so i dont understand where you are getting these ideas about Xbox one x's and M&K. Besides XIMs which if you use at the moment is in breach of Microsoft and alot of games ToS and if you get caught im sure action would be taken against you.

But i dont buy into the argument that the game shouldnt be allowed to have parity across all platforms just because a few break the rules to try and get an extra advantage. I personally put that in the same category as a Hacker/Cheater. And everyone agrees they are bad for the game and should be stopped at every possible level.

@nebenkuh said in The question no one is asking:

It baffles me how these threads always circle back to crossplay when we've established multiple times, using logic, that crossplay has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

@KnifeLife
"surley the same system could be implemented to check input device."
We've been over this too.
PCs can use an indefinite number of input devices at the same time, and you can not use a PC without mkb. A solution dividing players based on input device would be extremely complicated and convoluted if it would even work. And it would still divide the playerbase.

Come up with solutions that don't divide the playerbase.

I would say you have established that lol, its not a consensus we agree on. And once again in a server of 24 people with 5 million active players or whatever the excuse of server division is just clutching straws imo.

And ive spent a great deal of time trying to think of solutions and like ive said many times the only ones i can think of would litrally really limit the PC users control scheme and basically reverse the problem. I want there to be balance across All platforms contrary to those crying victim i dont want to destroy the PC players fun just so a console player gets a chance.

Hence why i advocate a choice, the people who dont particiauly care can play how they want. The people who do get to play how they want. Heck if you are a PC player and think all console players are whiney kids you get to play how you want.

To me there isn't a better solution. And i would also say it back to you, come up with a solution what doesnt divide the community if you believe in it so much. Because i came up with my solution and i believe its the right one. (Emphasis on I Believe, not claiming that as fact)

@personalc0ffee Once again on that, thats your opinion not a fact. Just like i believe eventually they will have no choice but to address the issue.

We can both say it untill we are blue in the face but neither of us know for certain. No matter how much we try and force it down each others throats.

Confidence is not fact. That is a fact.

P.S Also you talk alot like you know exactly what the development team wants and act like you know how they think. This is not the case you know just about as much as anyone else.

@genuine-heather Trust me if they removed cross play, i would at the front of the line with my pitchfork and torch fighting to get it back. That is not what i am advacating personally, i cannot speak for others. Cross play on Microsoft is going to be an integral part of the future of the company,

Its why its up to us, no matter what you believe or "Side" you are on to make our concerns, worries, hopes and wishes known. :)

@nebenkuh said in The question no one is asking:

@knifelife
"its not a consensus we agree on"
It's simple logic. No consensus needed.
MKB is better than controller. PC can use both, Xbox can't right now. Soon, Xbox can use both too. Therefore, having crossplay or not has nothing to do with the issue once both platforms can use both devices.

"the excuse of server division is just clutching straws imo"
The argument is not that individual servers might be harder to fill. Not at all.
The "dividing the playerbase" arguments point out that different servers means splitting the attention of the devs. It also means naturally diverging interests, and in general would require development resources that could be better spend on content. It's simply and obviously NOT a desirable thing to split a community that could work as one.

"Hence why i advocate a choice"
It's funny. The entire anti crossplay faction advocates a choice. But when another choice is offered to them, a choice that is simple, elegant, offers the most freedom for everyone and does not require any meddling with the servers, they almost categorically reject it to circle back to the "optional" crossplay arguments.
That choice is the announced MKB support for Xbox.
So are you pro choice, or are you not? :)

That choice is the solution I believe in, for the reasons stated above and multiple times throughout this thread and many others. I understand that it presents drawbacks to many console players. But that is the case with most choices in life, and since it's a choice, everyone is free to pick the device they prefer.
Like I said, those who feel they are disatvantaged and want to be as competitive as possible can make the switch. Those who don't mind or who are better with the controller, can continue using that.

On top of this, there are many ideas to further eliminate the gap between the two input devices, like further increasing controller turn speed or maybe even some sort of aim assist or turn assist.

Once you rule out any idea involving seperation or segregation, the issue becomes much clearer and much easier to tackle. The first steps are mkb support for Xbox and further increasing controller sensitivity. Let us build on that, instead of dividing the community of a game meant to be shared. :)

Im awful at getting these quote things to work on my tab so im just going to number your paragraphs to my responses.

1. I think this first one is a bit tricky because i do see your point so hopefully i can get mine accross without butchering it to much. So for PC players a M&K is there primary input device, statistically it will have been the one you use the most and have the most experience with, so i would assume you would be more natrually comfortable with it. A controller is your secondary.

So if me and you (For arguments sake) went head to head with M&K by rights you would have the overall advantage of experience.
If you swap that test to controllers you might say i would have the better chance due to experience.

Now keep in mind that M&K is better like you say, your solution for console players is we should swap to an input device which the majority of people will not be conformable with or experienced and you will get to keep yours. So to me thats still unbalanced as we are having to adapt and leave our comfort zone for the chance of a "Fair go".

I personally dont see that as a solution, i think we should all be allowed to play on our input device of choice and still have the option to play oj a level playing field.

2. For this you are generalising and i dont agree with it, im not apart of a faction nor do i follow a gang creed or belief system on crossplay. I am my own person who has my own concerns. I only speak for myself.
   I could also litrally flip your argument of choice and put it into my views and reflect it back at you. So i personally dont get this statement.

But i will say i am pro choice, i would like to think my statements have made that clear, if anything the more choices the better. So if you do have M&K for console and still the choice for controller only servers ect doesn't that bring that segregation people are worried about a little bit closer together. Options and choices can never be a bad thing.

3. We come back to M&K for console again i suppose the way i can argue against this is its a bandaid for the problem not a cure for the illness.

As an end note: Once again this thread has killed my battery lol im on 5% so if i dont reply "Ill be back ;)" But also as a little laugh i think we deserve some recognition for this debate! Cough Pirate times Cough its been fun tiring and very interesting! And i believe although we may not have been able to come to a concrete solution together we must definatly must havw given Rare alot to think and discuss with our points from either side. Lol

@sprungnickel427 said in The question no one is asking:

@nebenkuh I tried the "Adjustments" and they do not increase the rate of rotation on console with a controller. I would like a deeper explanation by Joe Neate as to what he actually adjusted because it doesn't reflect in my gameplay.

I think what they changed is the amount of steps, not the maximum. Was a bit disappointed, because I was already on 10.

@squaz05 said in The question no one is asking:

as for input device...
I have 2 controllers, 1 mouse, 1 keyboard, 1 HOTAS, 1 FightStick and a Dance Dance pad... Do I need to disconnect all my inputs? so i can play with a controller on my PC?

No. The game can disable the other inputs if you picked a "gamepad only" server.