So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update.

  • So, after several sessions with friends, we quickly realized that Raids voyages are absolutely useless and not worth the time you put into them. Do the Fleet of Fortune for the Chest of Fortune instead. Go after the new treasures in sunken ships and find bottles on islands. Explore and stop doing voyages. it's just for beginners, nothing more.

    Unless you want to raise your faction reputations to level 100. But even then, voyages are legitimately less satisfying than before, as are the world events. With Fof and fotd you'll always find at least 5 loot items for each faction, and they're good ones. It's more interesting to level up all factions at the same time than just one very slowly.

    In a nutshell, the world events Raids voyage are basically saying, "Go get loot faster but way less profitable, and guess what? You're not even Grade 4 afterward, haha. Isn't that wonderful?" So, it's pretty much pointless! I prefer searching for the new treasures or heading towards the new fleet. Thanks.

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  • The Athena ghost fort was alright for the time I put in

  • Everyone has their own style and flavor preference

    just another flavor for piracy and opportunity to enjoy a style

    not really something to discourage imo lol

  • @commandrew

    Yeah, but I mainly talk about the new world event raids where the loot is only for one faction. We did the voyage Ashen Winds event earlier for the Athena faction. We got two crates and one skull lol. And this skull doesn't sell for Athena's Fortune...

    We didn't even bother trying to sell it. No way I'm sailing 15-20 minutes until the outpost for two athena crates! We just logged out and restarted the game on a new server, haha.

  • @wolfmanbush said in So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update.:

    Everyone has their own style and flavor preference

    just another flavor for piracy and opportunity to enjoy a style

    This was a nerf to the amount of loot available across the board, with the exception of the Order of Souls (specifically bounties) which may have been slightly buffed, as it was already rather limited to begin with. This isn't just a "preference" or a "style", almost everything is less rewarding than it was previously, while under the guise of it being "more rewarding" because a few items are more expensive. The volume of loot has been decreased by 60-80% across most activities, while the value of items on average is only around a 40-60% increase. This is not including the addition of Kingly items, as they are not awarded from Voyages or Events. See the issue? These numbers don't add up to equal amounts.

    Gone are the days of doing an X Marks the Spot with 20 chest dig ups across various islands. You now can only get 2, or 3, depending on your voyage choice. That's it. No more or less. Events that you dive to are giving 3-5 items, and the Strongholds are also having their Stronghold items removed by diving to them. Diving to a Sea Fort sees every random loot spawn gone, including Top Room loot gone. Diving to a Ghost Fleet is seeing every loot dropping ship drop 2-4 items instead of the previous like 5-8 items, except for the final ship, dropping 3-5 while also removing Ghost Cannonballs from the event. Just some examples for thought. Almost every single task in the game has been made severely less rewarding. Even these new "Hero" items don't make up for the loss, as that loss is in more than just loot itself but in commendations (stronghold items, Captain of the Damned Skulls) and sandbox tools (wraithballs) being removed from these events. The experience has been forever altered in a bad way.

    Every Raid is a waste of time. They should be removed, or changed, in their entirety. If someone dives to an event on my server, it makes my server's event less valuable. That is disgusting.

    If the idea was for them to "bring voyages in line with events" like they said it was, they severely missed the mark. Instead, they brought Events DOWN to voyage levels, after making voyages way less rewarding overall by removing the element of randomness from the table.

    Making things worse overall was not the right call. Yet again we were lied to, intentionally or not. Games have been shut down and boycotted for less than the broken promises we keep being fed. Yet everyone will still flock to it's defense because that's what they do. Instead of having the nerve to say "NO. This is bad." Everything on paper, sounded great. In practice, it has fallen flat.

    RARE, I love you. But this is bad, and something needs to change.
    PS: Please fix the map grabbing lag spike problem.

    Sincerely,
    Disgruntled Neckbeard Mister Blean

  • Raids voyages are absolutely useless and not worth the time you put into them.

    Seeing as the Raids are quick and painless, it worth the "Time" if you dont have the time. Especially Sea Forts.

    Do the Fleet of Fortune for the Chest of Fortune instead

    Meh, everyone is fighting over it. Im chilling over here on my 5th Fort completion.

    Go after the new treasures in sunken ships and find bottles on islands

    Now these aren't even worth it.

    Explore and stop doing voyages. it's just for beginners, nothing more.

    Ha see, its a Vet issue. Myself as well, Voyages are now just simple and easy, no longer do they offer 8 X's or 4 rounds of random maps. You know what your getting, sad. But hey...Easy loot.

    Explore and stop doing voyages. it's just for beginners, nothing more.

    Profit is profit. :P

    You're not even Grade 4 afterward

    That is the problem...we got so stuck on reaching Grade 5 before ending a voyage. Now everyone expect it, but the Grind for it is back and nobody wants to do that. :(

  • @mister-blean said in So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update.:

    If the idea was for them to "bring voyages in line with events" like they said it was, they severely missed the mark. Instead, they brought Events DOWN to voyage levels, after making voyages way less rewarding overall by removing the element of randomness from the table.

    Making things worse overall was not the right call. Yet again we were lied to, intentionally or not. Games have been shut down and boycotted for less than the broken promises we keep being fed. Yet everyone will still flock to it's defense because that's what they do. Instead of having the nerve to say "NO. This is bad." Everything on paper, sounded great. In practice, it has fallen flat.

    I'm not one to go with a crowd just to go with the flow in either direction lol.

    I think it's interesting for adventure.

    I enjoy the skeleton ship raids.

    I don't view it as a tool to grind huge numbers, I view it as another tool to help support an interesting adventure.

    I'm someone that'll be on the same server all dang day and even I find it interesting for organic play and something to incorporate into my session.

    I see it as adding a lot more substance to hopping in a game where a lot of hopping is just gonna happen.

    I'm strict with how/why I hop but when it's time for a hop I'll definitely be using the skelly ship raid option. I like it.

  • @wolfmanbush a dit dans So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update. :

    @mister-blean said in So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update.:

    I'm strict with how/why I hop but when it's time for a hop I'll definitely be using the skelly ship raid option. I like it.

    Yeah cuz its the only Raid that have good loot afterward.

    1/5 its not a good ratio

  • @burnbacon a dit dans So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update. :

    Seeing as the Raids are quick and painless, it worth the "Time" if you dont have the time. Especially Sea Forts.

    The problem is they made all the world events much less profitable, and even if you don't dive, someone might dive into your server and make the world event less profitable.

    Oh and Yeah, after the ashen event, I wasn't even grade 3. How do they expect me to want to grind? Usually, you finish an ashen event and you have a tones of loot and you get grade 3 1/2. It's pathetic I only got 3 loot items (including just 2 for my faction) And don't get me started on the sea fort, oh my god. In the secret room upstairs, there's no point in opening it... there's no loot!!! In a recent post, I suggested Rare to decrease the amount of loot to increase reputation and money of it. but the balance is painfully skewed.

  • Many good points made. I believe that they (RARE) may feel that since they helped you FAST TRAVEL they would then tax you by reducing the reward. I would add that YES the top room of a sea fort being empty is a big let down as well as NOT having Captain Skulls drop when you sink Skellie Ships during the Raids. What happened, were there no captains on these ships?? I do like that when you dig up an ASHEN chest this season ASHEN skeleton grunts spawn to fight you. That's a good example of continuity so I feel that the same thought should go into the Skellie Ships dropping their captain's skull. Just my two cents. Enjoying the Season so far and very thankful for the Safer Seas option. I've been able to dip in there and still enjoy the seas when the Anxiety in my life is on high. Much appreciated!

  • Some days have passed and I'm loving it.

    Performance/bugs aside this update is awesome.

    People call it 2.0 but I say it's 3.0

    Emissaries was 2.0 with how much it changed the game and this is huge for adventure in 3.0.

    None of this is near as underwhelming as people say it is imo.

    With the good emergent spawns and the decent prices for less loot it's good gold while more enjoyable to bring in.

    As far as adventure content goes it's A+ if they keep higher emergent spawn rates.

    I love the new voyage stuff. It's so fun to create adventures with the tools we now have.

    As far as quality of life for the adventure experience goes I think this is the best design SoT has ever had.

    If I can have a blast as someone with a bajillion hours of doing things a bajillion times as a solo I can only imagine how fun it is for adventure crews that have less time in the game.

  • But there are treasures and comendations you can only get by doing raid voyages.
    If you start with a raid and then sail to a voyage at a nearby island a couple times you will hit grade 5 then sell and go get your emissary loot.
    Along the way you can hit up any event you want.
    I got distinction 1 OoS pretty easy that way.

  • Bottle quests and sunken ships along the way. Don't sleep on those bottle quests.

  • @burnbacon said in So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update.:

    Go after the new treasures in sunken ships and find bottles on islands

    Now these aren't even worth it.

    Oh yes they are. Bottle quests are some of the best voyages in the game.

  • As I said in my own post I dislike the ammount of loot compared to the time it takes but overall I've been grinding oos recently and have been enjoying the new skeleton lord voyages in combination with the emissary quest. I want to start my voyage with a raid voyage and then add the extra grinding but I dont feel it's worth it.

  • I like the ashen winds raid for any faction, takes only a few minutes to complete and there's almost no load-out.

  • You are paying a portion of the raid target's overall worth in order to have it all for your chosen faction and being able to dive to it.

    The amount of difference is pretty stark, I do have to admit. Doing a skeleton fort to see 4 or 5 total pieces is a bit of a let down, and ghost forts having zero treasure in all the furniture locations and nothing in the unlockable top room is another feels-bad moment.

    Perhaps this amount of reward could be tuned for the amount of people on your boat like WE difficulty..

    I also think theyre trying to make sure you dont hit grade 5 emmi in one interaction so Reapers have a chance to get you before you just do one event and immediatly sell. Also perhaps people nonstop server hopping is taxing on the servers themselves so while they want you able to hop, not doing so consantly?

    Theres probably a part of the equation we arent party to that they are balancing all this around

  • Rare cannot release a new, fun feature such as company specific raid voyages without ruining the new, fun feature by drastically reducing the quantity of treasure you get for completing them.

    We have all this wonderful old treasure that’s worth less than the new treasure, should we include it in the new voyages?

    Nah, they won’t care about that old loot that’s not worth as much even though it helps boost up their emissary grade as they touch and collect it.

    They won’t mind only having four pieces of treasure in a raid voyage vault.

    And they certainly won’t mind that it takes longer to get to grade v emissary.

    Let’s release the new raid voyages everyone!

  • Hopefully in the future, the Raid Voyages would have to be improved for all players, especially the loot pool.

  • @littlematjab said in So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update.:

    @commandrew

    Yeah, but I mainly talk about the new world event raids where the loot is only for one faction. We did the voyage Ashen Winds event earlier for the Athena faction. We got two crates and one skull lol. And this skull doesn't sell for Athena's Fortune...

    We didn't even bother trying to sell it. No way I'm sailing 15-20 minutes until the outpost for two athena crates! We just logged out and restarted the game on a new server, haha.

    Sounds like your event bugged or you just didn't find all the loot maybe? Wouldn't an Ashen Winds for the Athena faction drop at least a talisman as well? Which is quite worth it for the time that an Ashen Winds takes these days.

  • @soulstinger2k20 said in So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update.:

    The amount of difference is pretty stark, I do have to admit. Doing a skeleton fort to see 4 or 5 total pieces is a bit of a let down, and ghost forts having zero treasure in all the furniture locations and nothing in the unlockable top room is another feels-bad moment.

    Initially, I felt the same way about the lacking quantity of treasure items gained from raid events. But I think, while those events are valued at a bit below their normal counterparts, the tradeoff is actually small enough that it's worthwhile.......if your focus is to level your chosen faction.

    I just did a skeleton fort for MA. A scrolls of shrouded waters, two crates of immaculate diamonds, four crates of exquisite spices, and a collector chest for the stronghold and villainous skulls outside the vault.......at grade five that was a good haul for the merchants.

    Scrolls sold for 25k total
    Diamonds sold for ~8k apiece
    Spices sold for ~3,750 apiece

    That's roughly 56k for just the loot inside the vault, and there was still the skulls and ashen chest. That seems quite fair when you consider it's all tailored to your emissary faction as well.

    It's also nice to not have to run as much loot back and forth. More time spent on the seas possibly engaging in naval combat.

  • @habiki said in So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update.:

    @littlematjab said in So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update.:

    @commandrew

    Yeah, but I mainly talk about the new world event raids where the loot is only for one faction. We did the voyage Ashen Winds event earlier for the Athena faction. We got two crates and one skull lol. And this skull doesn't sell for Athena's Fortune...

    We didn't even bother trying to sell it. No way I'm sailing 15-20 minutes until the outpost for two athena crates! We just logged out and restarted the game on a new server, haha.

    Sounds like your event bugged or you just didn't find all the loot maybe? Wouldn't an Ashen Winds for the Athena faction drop at least a talisman as well? Which is quite worth it for the time that an Ashen Winds takes these days.

    I noticed it's easy to miss the talisman, very small item with little glint.

  • @unleet1 said in So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update.:

    @habiki said in So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update.:

    @littlematjab said in So... dont do Raid Voyages in this update.:

    @commandrew

    Yeah, but I mainly talk about the new world event raids where the loot is only for one faction. We did the voyage Ashen Winds event earlier for the Athena faction. We got two crates and one skull lol. And this skull doesn't sell for Athena's Fortune...

    We didn't even bother trying to sell it. No way I'm sailing 15-20 minutes until the outpost for two athena crates! We just logged out and restarted the game on a new server, haha.

    Sounds like your event bugged or you just didn't find all the loot maybe? Wouldn't an Ashen Winds for the Athena faction drop at least a talisman as well? Which is quite worth it for the time that an Ashen Winds takes these days.

    I noticed it's easy to miss the talisman, very small item with little glint.

    Feels like all the big ticket items are that way. It's only really an issue with the Ashen Winds event though. All the other events spawn loot at predetermined, known locations.

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