Problem with streamers

@justincase2004

I'd suggest you read the EULA for both Xbox Live and Sea of Thieves. I think you'll find you gave permission and agreed to waive any right to object by playing the game.

@needsmokes said in Problem with streamers:

Worse!!!
This game is rated 12!!!
Kids under 13 years old are not eligible to sign up to streaming sites here in the UK for legal reasons due to their young age. But this game now FURTHER ENCOURAGES players to stream content of young children playing online.. Worrying times indeed for child safety online as this trend continues!!

So @JustInCase2004, If you had a 12 year old playing this game, and you found videos of them on YouTube playing this game streamed from another.. Could you then take legal action against Rare for allowing this to happen on a 12 rated game?
Food for thought...

Actually the game is rated "Teen: For ages 13 and up" on the store. Use of Alcohol, Crude Humor, Violence Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB.

It's up to parents to do their jobs and ensure their kids aren't playing games they aren't supposed to, and/or exposed to things they aren't supposed to. It's not Rare job to babysit players. If someone is wary about what their kids might hear or say in SoT, there are options to mute yourself to other crews and mute external players as well.

@bloodybil

Actually the game is rated "Teen: For ages 13 and up" on the store. Use of Alcohol, Crude Humor, Violence Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB.

@NeedSmokes

I have a hard copy of this game and the age rating is 12.

It's on the cover

Actually.... its both. PEGI is a separate European game rating organization similar to ESRB. So essentially its both Rated T for Teen 13 and up (ESRB) and PEGI 12 for Europeans 12 and up.

@justincase2004
Legally speaking, video game streaming is a total grey area.

See this article for more information:

Ars Staff  /  Jan 28, 2018  /  Gaming

The (still) uncertain state of video game streaming online

“As an industry, we don’t really follow the law and we all do it.”…

From the end of the article:
"It's either going to be a lawsuit that goes forward ... or ... It will take a piece of legislation, which would require one of our politicians to understand what a computer is, which is insanely unlikely. Or, it would take a group like the ESRB to come out and post some actual rules and guidelines here ... I think they're pretty behind on this stuff. Maybe we need an ancillary, separate group that handles streaming."

@justincase2004 said in Problem with streamers:

So I don’t think streamers should be aloud to record my audio or stream it. I don’t remember signing anything giving anyone permission to record my audio. I don’t know about Europe but here in the states recording someone without permission is illegal and is often settled with a lawsuit. I’m not threatening anyone I’m anyway shape or form. All I’m saying is that I don’t want to be on stream due to a lack in self confidence and I don’t want people judging me. Thanks

I agree. Not sure on the whole legal side of it but yeah it should all be with consent.

@needsmokes said in Problem with streamers:

@bloodybil

I have a hard copy of this game and the age rating is 12. (UK)
It's on the cover

So I am doing what any parent should be doing and asking why?

Huh, maybe they changed it or it varies depending on countries, who knows,

Point is, it's still up to parents to monitor their child's online activities, especially if they are worried about what their child might hear or say online, whether it's recorded or not.

Edit: Thx for the clarifications @Nabberwar

Looking at the PEGI website, they have a separate system for online called PEGI Online.

The game itself is PEGI-12, and there is no rating for PEGI-Online. Seems like they are covered on that front, and it would probably fall back to the EULA.

Havent looked in to the streamer age angle yet.

@needsmokes said in Problem with streamers:

@bloodybil

We really do, and with great success thanks to Microsoft's family features, which gives us a weekly account of everything our children do online in our house.

Dangerous people to the young hide away all across the internet.
Its almost certain some already stream on children's rated games.

I'm sure as popularity grows and grows with streaming, new laws will have to be passed to help keep children safe online. The industry is well behind any such actions yet.

I am sure laws will adapt with time, I just think that for now, equating "Rare wants to encourage content creators" and "Rare encourages people to spy on your kids" is a bit dramatic, especially when all the tools to prevent such things are already at players (and parents) disposition.

I don't care much about streamers myself, but am just wondering what's with the stigma over them. There seems to be lots of jealousy over exclusive cosmetics or events, mixed with resentment over their platform, their viewers, their playstyles, etc.

This is why Microsoft has provided Online Safety & Privacy settings for guardians to enforce (or not) at their discretion.

@needsmokes said in Problem with streamers:

@bloodybil

I have a real issue when it comes to adults stalking children online in the name of entertainment.

Worse, it disgust me that this type of behaviour is rewarded by developers.

Right, don't break your back overreaching here.

It's wanting a world made safer for children, especially online.

Easy, mute your kid's mic as well as other crew's voices. Done.

@needsmokes said in Problem with streamers:

@realstyli said in Problem with streamers:

This is why Microsoft has provided Online Safety & Privacy settings for guardians to enforce (or not) at their discretion.

When you purchase a game with a Age rating of 12. And then content is later added to the base game 12 year olds can't access or shouldn't be showcased in. Who is at fault?

The guardian who disabled the privacy communication defaults on the child's account, maybe?

As a legal guardian, you accepted the EULA/Terms of Service of Xbox Live on behalf of the child.

Also, the game has been streamable since day one, how is this content added later, exactly?

@galactic-geek said in Problem with streamers:

@nwo-azcrack said in Problem with streamers:

@needsmokes
This has been goin on a long time mate. Why just start worrying now? Kids been playin fortnite and streamin for a long time now. Thats the game u should worry about. Thats where all the bad ppl who stalk kids are

This is wrong for the same reasons I listed for SoT in my last reply. It doesn't matter which game it is - only that streaming can be abused to spy on those that are most vulnerable.

Agreed, that's why kids have to be sensitized and made aware of what to do and not to do online.

Tools are made available to guardians as well to prevent bad things to happen, just gotta use them.

At some point devs (of any game) can't spend all their time policing individually what is being streamed or not. If anything, the streaming platforms should be held responsible of what their streamers do.

Also, content creators stuff will not be tied to streaming only, and kids will be able to contribute in other ways in the future. So yeah, saying Rare encourages bad behaviors and prevent players to access content is disingenuous at best.

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