Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more

  • Red0Demon0
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    How do all of you feel about the fact that the ship renaming and the best ship name tag customizations are being monetized?

    Personally I feel the captaincy update makes ship naming and name tags feel like a pay wall. It adds to the issue that the devs are choosing to monetize cosmetic additions that have been asked for since near the conceptualization of the game.

    Perhaps the idea that just because one requests something, doesn't mean the devs should not monetize that item might hold some weight if not for the fact that the game revolves around collecting cosmetic rewards. In a game, where cosmetics is the core focus, having name tags being monetized, removes some of the cosmetic possibilities for the ship, in an otherwise lacking variety of ship cosmetics. The same can be said for the ship names, in which even after you buy the ship, you are not allowed to change the name of said ship unless one pays real money, locking away the ship renaming feature of the captaincy update behind a pay wall. As an example, a player who after buying and naming a ship finds out that the first title they unlock for it, does not tie in well with the ship name.

    Finally, although the captaincy feature added lots of great customization options for ships, most of the options added can be summarized down to trinkets. Nothing about the captaincy feature actually makes any of the ships truly stand out from one another. The cosmetics for the bed or captains chair aren't that different from one another. The Athena/ legendary captain chair just looks like a more worn out or used up chair. Idk, maybe you all have a different take on this that you might share, but I feel like more could have been done to make each theme stand out.

    Some things that have been requested before is to allow customization of masts, railings, deck floors/roofs, inner hull walls, barrels, lantern types and even harpoon guns.

    With the captaincy update, I also suggest the addition of further trinkets for inner deck roofs, with the ability to hang not only chains from them, but sea weed, bone talismans, vines, Christmas lights, fishing trawls/nets, banners, barnacles, and other items.

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  • Galactic Geek
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    You are not required to pay. Put some effort and thought into what you actually want to name your ship so that you DON'T want to change it. And hey, if you change your mind and don't want to lose your progress, then at least the money you'll spend to change it will help support the longevity of the game you like to play. 😉

  • Nawvillus
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    With how the emporium has been it makes sense to monetize some captaincy items but since this update is still very new I imagine we will see a lot of additions over future updates. For example, we got a bunch of ghost ship cosmetics for the captains cabin but we didn't get a ghost ship crest? That will surely come out at some point, along with other crests, banners, titles and cabin cosmetics that aren't currently in the game. We will of course also see more captaincy items come into the emporium that's going to be a given at this point.

  • Lleorb
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    I don't see a problem with monetizing, the absurdity was forgetting about personalization and focusing only on achievements through milestones.

    There's no free ship crest that doesn't need milestones to release, and the designs are ugly, focused only on reflecting your progress.
    What happened to the various designs featured in the art book and shipwrecks?
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    I also found it bad not being able to choose which trinket level I want to display, if I buy the most valuable version of a frame I don't have the option to use the most basic frame, even if a gold one doesn't match my ship.

  • drwho1105
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    I dont really see it as being monetized.

    1. You get to name your ship for no cost at all, no money, no gold, no ancient coins, no nothing.
    2. You can change the name using ancient coins. However, ancient coins are gained as you progress on the season pass. you do not have to buy ancient coins. Keep playing to earn more coins.
  • PithyRumble
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    Definitely not happy I can't change names on a whim.

    Hoping some existing emporium sets get nameplates/furniture adds. (Lodestar)

  • Red0Demon0
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    @drwho1105 said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    I dont really see it as being monetized.

    1. You get to name your ship for no cost at all, no money, no gold, no ancient coins, no nothing.
    2. You can change the name using ancient coins. However, ancient coins are gained as you progress on the season pass. you do not have to buy ancient coins. Keep playing to earn more coins.

    It does have a gold cost...you literally pay to own a ship... part of the features of owning a ship is naming it.

    Also, by definition, Monetized means: To make revenue from something else. Since Rare does earn money from ship title name changes, it is considered monetized.

  • ZiG ZaG LTU
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    I personally hate the pricing. 100k seems way too much for some trinket or low level curtains which are now grey ^^ , then I absolutely do not understand why we need to pay even more money to save it to our ship, which is also bugged. I'm sure I've lost at least 30k on that. Which is not much, but still.

    I will most certainly customize my ship as much as possible but I will also most certainly join alliance servers to make that money back in order to save up for the dark adventurer items for example. Can't make that much being just a simple honest slooper or sailing with my girlfriend. It would take literally years, where as I could buy 1 item per session doing alliance or if I had another 3 good players with me each session.

  • Red0Demon0
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    @galactic-geek said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    You are not required to pay. Put some effort and thought into what you actually want to name your ship so that you DON'T want to change it. And hey, if you change your mind and don't want to lose your progress, then at least the money you'll spend to change it will help support the longevity of the game you like to play. 😉

    I apologize, there seems to be a misunderstanding, I didn't ask you what I am or am not required to do, or how much of an effort or thought I should put on things. I'd argue that supporting these decisions with money, only encourages devs to continue crossing the line of perceived acceptability with a practice that I disagree with. However, those decision and the opinions that precede it are mine and only mine to make, please respect that. I asked for the communities opinion on it, and welcome your opinion, which, I have implied to mean that you are ok with because you like to support a game you enjoy to play? hope I got that right.

  • Lem0n Curry
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    @red0demon0 said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    [...] You're jumping hoops with the ancient coin bit don't you think? Like to get the ancient coins in the season pass, you need to first buy the season pass with ancient coins (The free version does not give ancient coins) [...]

    The free version does give you ancient coins.

  • Red0Demon0
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    @lem0n-curry said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    @red0demon0 said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    [...] You're jumping hoops with the ancient coin bit don't you think? Like to get the ancient coins in the season pass, you need to first buy the season pass with ancient coins (The free version does not give ancient coins) [...]

    The free version does give you ancient coins.

    I stand corrected then, my apologies and thanks for the info 😁

  • Galactic Geek
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    @red0demon0 said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    @galactic-geek said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    You are not required to pay. Put some effort and thought into what you actually want to name your ship so that you DON'T want to change it. And hey, if you change your mind and don't want to lose your progress, then at least the money you'll spend to change it will help support the longevity of the game you like to play. 😉

    I apologize, there seems to be a misunderstanding, I didn't ask you what I am or am not required to do, or how much of an effort or thought I should put on things. I'd argue that supporting these decisions with money, only encourages devs to continue crossing the line of perceived acceptability with a practice that I disagree with. However, those decision and the opinions that precede it are mine and only mine to make, please respect that. I asked for the communities opinion on it, and welcome your opinion, which, I have implied to mean that you are ok with because you like to support a game you enjoy to play? hope I got that right.

    Your opinions, and mine for that matter, don't actually matter. The only ones that do are those of the developer, because it's their game; their product. If it makes them more profit, then all the more power to them. Of course you are welcome to not buy into it (literally), but something tells me that they'll likely be making bank with or without your support, and because of that I doubt it will change anytime soon.

  • Red0Demon0
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    @galactic-geek said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    @red0demon0 said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    @galactic-geek said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    You are not required to pay. Put some effort and thought into what you actually want to name your ship so that you DON'T want to change it. And hey, if you change your mind and don't want to lose your progress, then at least the money you'll spend to change it will help support the longevity of the game you like to play. 😉

    I apologize, there seems to be a misunderstanding, I didn't ask you what I am or am not required to do, or how much of an effort or thought I should put on things. I'd argue that supporting these decisions with money, only encourages devs to continue crossing the line of perceived acceptability with a practice that I disagree with. However, those decision and the opinions that precede it are mine and only mine to make, please respect that. I asked for the communities opinion on it, and welcome your opinion, which, I have implied to mean that you are ok with because you like to support a game you enjoy to play? hope I got that right.

    Your opinions, and mine for that matter, don't actually matter. The only ones that do are those of the developer, because it's their game; their product. If it makes them more profit, then all the more power to them. Of course you are welcome to not buy into it (literally), but something tells me that they'll likely be making bank with or without your support, and because of that I doubt it will change anytime soon.

    My apologies, again you seem to be misunderstanding something. The devs did not create this topic, I did. The topic's purpose is to get other people's opinion on the matter, therefore your comment does matter for the sole purpose that I created the topic to get everyones view on the matter, and not in hopes that the devs will read this and change their views (If it happens it happens, they do gain inspiration from this and I've even had the pleasure to interact with a few of them around). I also don't know what you are going on about with me supporting or not supporting the game, I no where stated where my support lies. As for my suggestions you can disagree or agree with it, after all that's literally the point of this topic but you seem to be going off topic with talking about my support, talking about the game making bank or not, and even doubting they will make changes anytime soon (even though they literally make changes frequently, but I digress).

    Devs encourage new ideas and opinion on the game as they have stated multiple times before. Your logic is erroneous, there's literally a "feedback + suggestion thread" that was made by them for precisely this reason.

    If you do not wish to express your view, as u had stated that your opinion doesn't matter, that is also fine (Although I'd say that they do, at least to me but again, not my decision as to what u do with it and won't push for it if you aren't comfortable), no need to comment, no worries, but please cease from trying to shut people down.

  • LassiDaGreat
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    It's definitely a shame that despite not being a free-to-play title, they decided to adopt Fortnite's model of ridiculously overpriced cosmetics... The amount you have to pay just to rename a ship is so high it's almost funny. On the bright side, at least the whales are paying for all the free content updates I guess?

  • Galactic Geek
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    @red0demon0 said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    @galactic-geek said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    @red0demon0 said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    @galactic-geek said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    You are not required to pay. Put some effort and thought into what you actually want to name your ship so that you DON'T want to change it. And hey, if you change your mind and don't want to lose your progress, then at least the money you'll spend to change it will help support the longevity of the game you like to play. 😉

    I apologize, there seems to be a misunderstanding, I didn't ask you what I am or am not required to do, or how much of an effort or thought I should put on things. I'd argue that supporting these decisions with money, only encourages devs to continue crossing the line of perceived acceptability with a practice that I disagree with. However, those decision and the opinions that precede it are mine and only mine to make, please respect that. I asked for the communities opinion on it, and welcome your opinion, which, I have implied to mean that you are ok with because you like to support a game you enjoy to play? hope I got that right.

    Your opinions, and mine for that matter, don't actually matter. The only ones that do are those of the developer, because it's their game; their product. If it makes them more profit, then all the more power to them. Of course you are welcome to not buy into it (literally), but something tells me that they'll likely be making bank with or without your support, and because of that I doubt it will change anytime soon.

    My apologies, again you seem to be misunderstanding something. The devs did not create this topic, I did. The topic's purpose is to get other people's opinion on the matter, therefore your comment does matter for the sole purpose that I created the topic to get everyones view on the matter, and not in hopes that the devs will read this and change their views (If it happens it happens, they do gain inspiration from this and I've even had the pleasure to interact with a few of them around). I also don't know what you are going on about with me supporting or not supporting the game, I no where stated where my support lies. As for my suggestions you can disagree or agree with it, after all that's literally the point of this topic but you seem to be going off topic with talking about my support, talking about the game making bank or not, and even doubting they will make changes anytime soon (even though they literally make changes frequently, but I digress).

    Devs encourage new ideas and opinion on the game as they have stated multiple times before. Your logic is erroneous, there's literally a "feedback + suggestion thread" that was made by them for precisely this reason.

    If you do not wish to express your view, as u had stated that your opinion doesn't matter, that is also fine (Although I'd say that they do, at least to me but again, not my decision as to what u do with it and won't push for it if you aren't comfortable), no need to comment, no worries, but please cease from trying to shut people down.

    You posted for feedback. I gave it to you. I'm sorry if that upsets you. Fin.

  • Red0Demon0
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    @lleorb said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    I don't see a problem with monetizing, the absurdity was forgetting about personalization and focusing only on achievements through milestones.

    There's no free ship crest that doesn't need milestones to release, and the designs are ugly, focused only on reflecting your progress.
    What happened to the various designs featured in the art book and shipwrecks?
    alt text

    I also found it bad not being able to choose which trinket level I want to display, if I buy the most valuable version of a frame I don't have the option to use the most basic frame, even if a gold one doesn't match my ship.

    Well one of the issues in my opinion about monetization is that it devalues and de-emphasizes the value of variable cosmetic designs earned in game. The generic and ugly ship name tags are a direct effect of monetization of in game assets. It's because they can charge for the best designs, that they leave the generic ship designs to players to unlock. This isn't a ship or character cosmetic we are talking about either, it's a s ship name and name tag which they have heavily monetized.

    Out of curiosity, would you also feel the same if they had made all ship name tag cosmetics exclusive to the emporium (complete monetized)? Or do you not mind monetization at all?Just trying to see your stand on monetization, and where you would draw the line in terms of this topic as it pertains to ship cosmetics.

  • Thorumsu
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    @zig-zag-ltu, Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more içinde yazdı:

    I personally hate the pricing. 100k seems way too much for some trinket or low level curtains which are now grey ^^ , then I absolutely do not understand why we need to pay even more money to save it to our ship, which is also bugged. I'm sure I've lost at least 30k on that. Which is not much, but still.

    I will most certainly customize my ship as much as possible but I will also most certainly join alliance servers to make that money back in order to save up for the dark adventurer items for example. Can't make that much being just a simple honest slooper or sailing with my girlfriend. It would take literally years, where as I could buy 1 item per session doing alliance or if I had another 3 good players with me each session.

    As a solo slooper myself, What are you even on about?

    I dont do much PVE but I earn like 1 million gold a month. If I did PVE, it would be way higher.

    Also be warned, when you join an alliance server there is no turning back. You will get addicted to the millions of pixel non real money you will earn without any fear.

    When you get the DA sails literally in a day and come back to the normal servers, you will fastly want that safety again.

    And there, you lost the best part of the game, sandbox.

  • Red0Demon0
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    @thorumsu said in Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more:

    @zig-zag-ltu, Ship Name tags, name replacement, and more içinde yazdı:

    I personally hate the pricing. 100k seems way too much for some trinket or low level curtains which are now grey ^^ , then I absolutely do not understand why we need to pay even more money to save it to our ship, which is also bugged. I'm sure I've lost at least 30k on that. Which is not much, but still.

    I will most certainly customize my ship as much as possible but I will also most certainly join alliance servers to make that money back in order to save up for the dark adventurer items for example. Can't make that much being just a simple honest slooper or sailing with my girlfriend. It would take literally years, where as I could buy 1 item per session doing alliance or if I had another 3 good players with me each session.

    As a solo slooper myself, What are you even on about?

    I dont do much PVE but I earn like 1 million gold a month. If I did PVE, it would be way higher.

    Also be warned, when you join an alliance server there is no turning back. You will get addicted to the millions of pixel non real money you will earn without any fear.

    When you get the DA sails literally in a day and come back to the normal servers, you will fastly want that safety again.

    And there, you lost the best part of the game, sandbox.

    Well they have some merit in what they say, not exactly in the gold cost in my opinion, but would one truly pay for some ragged and torn looking rags for 100k gold pieces? Most captains chair look generic, have you seen the legendary captains chair? Looks like an old used up chair , no glow or anything to make it stand out from the rest.

    As for the gold cost, itself, like I said I would disagree with them, the issue isn't the price but the quality of what we are buying with in game currency, they might even decide to sell the better more aesthetic pieces in the emporium as another monetization scheme.

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