People that board you, kill you, but then fix your boat, bail out the water but keep killing you.

@guybrush3pwood2 After my previous thread and the comments I have received from many not just a few I am very curious to know the same.

@octopus-lime Yeah, that's the only "wholesome" reason I could see; stealing resources. That's why I normally just scuttle. I'd prefer to respawn on a ship stocked as fresh rather than go through the repetitive killing cycle and end up on an empty ship.
Also the barrels become inaccessible once you've sunk and they have to wait for some to float to the surface.
I now keep all cursed cannonballs or rare fish in my inventory so they don't go down with my ship and I still have them wherever I respawn.

@choolatechiken I think the reply from @octopus-lime gives a good answer. It doesn't happen very often to me and as I mentioned I turn in my loot often and keep everything precious in my inventory wheel.
If I'm doing a Tall Tale I am very very weary of anything out on the ocean and will not allow myself to get boarded if I can help it, which you normally can. If you're in a sloop being chased by a Galleon, just lead them to an island like Snake Island or Shipwreck Bay. You can always outmanoeuvre them there.
The other tactic I like is to head strait towards a large island (if they are right on your tail), they'll have to turn before you do to avoid crashing into the island. When they turn, turn in the other direction, or if they don't turn, watch and laugh as they crash.
The whole spawn killing to get a laugh out of someone's anguish though is a pretty nasty way to play the game and I hope most are doing it for the resources and not just a psycho sense of dominance.

Is it really a faster way to get resources though? Surely a fort would be better?
You can normally pick up numerous Powder Kegs as well as planks etc at a fort, in a fraction of the time it takes to chase someone down, board them, have 2 people killing the crew as someone repetitively fills their pockets

I guess you don't know there's no loot to steal until you've boarded someone, and once you're there you may as well get their resources to make up for some of the lost time you spent chasing them down

I guess, it's those times where it's obvious you wouldn't have any loot of consequence. Like, I'm just leaving an Outpost so anything I had would've been sold or I'm using the shouting trumpet to alert someone I'm halfway through a Tall Tale, that suck a bit.
So far, the only Tale Tale incident I had was hunting Briggsy. I was heading back to an Outpost with her skull and someone sunk me and grabbed it.
The good thing was the compass still worked, I sailed back to the Outpost where my assailants still were and they handed me back her skull allowing me to complete my quest.

Anyway, nice to hear the reasons behind these actions. (Again when it happens it doesn't really bother me)
Perhaps knowing the reasons people do it, will help the people it happens to understand it, so they'll not be as annoyed next time.
I for one would prefer to make an alliance with another crew, always think it's quite cool when you're heading for a skelly fleet battle in a small fleet of your own.

I have no Idea why one would do this, you can just scuttle and they can't scoop out the water no matter what.

I've done this once, where I boarded someone to ask him something, he tried killing me so I shot him. Made sure his ship kept afloat and tried talking to him again.
I did this 5 times every time asking him to calm down while never taking the first shot and then I left because clearly this guy was agressive as a chiuwawa but I did kill someone multiple times while purposely keeping his ship afloat.

Oh now that I'm mentioning this I also once killed a guy twice maybe three times while I sailed his sloop over to our galleon to get his loot over there without mcuh hassle. (just a matter of convenience.) and again I talked to the guy trying to explain to him that I just wanted to get his loot to my ship.

@faceyourdemon Yeah, I don't think this behaviour is "griefing" I was just curious to the reasons behind the behaviour. I mean anyone who has the game is totally within their right to get enjoyment out of playing it however they want. Be that sinking people, spawn camping them, digging up treasure or taking part in the roleplay aspects of the game.

Again just curious, wouldn't you get better practice playing in The Arena? I mean that place is full of PvP experts and the people that play there will only get better. Surely playing against people of a similar skill to your own would be better "practice"

It feels you are essentially hunting for the "easy prey" and getting enjoyment out of being superior at forcing someone into a hand to hand combat situation they don't want and finding fun in being dominant over another players experience.

Again, as it's an open world game, you are within your right to have fun playing SOT however you want. Just seems a bit weird when you can get better PvP experience elsewhere.

As you said, people can scuttle their boat whenever they wish and bring the fight to an end. Hell that's what I do. If I'm one on one, then I'll keep trying, but if I'm three on one, then I'll give up very quickly.

I guess... just because I don't understand why someone finds something fun, doesn't take away from the fact that they have fun doing it.

@faceyourdemon Yeah, I get your point. The arena hasn't been around long. To be honest, took me a while to want to give it a go anyway.
Oh yeah, holding up a Galleon isn't easy at all, especially on your own.
That wasn't really my question though was it? If you were holding up a Galleon manned by 4 experts, would you take the time to also fix their boat and bail out their water to stop them from sinking to give you the chance to spawn kill them more?
I sometimes go on a sinking rampage too. nothing like flying the Jolly Rodger and giving no quarter, but again that wasn't my point either.
My Question really was; "What is the reason behind boarding a sloop, fixing the holes in the sloop to stop them sinking and bailing out the water so you can repetitively kill the crew, normally on a three on one basis?"
Three on one is hardly practice.
I was curious to the answer because it happened last night. I was well surprised when I respawned to find someone bailing and fixing my boat, was about to say "thanks" before they killed me again. Still confused I respawned, to find my boat now dry but 3 pirates stood in a circle around me slashing me down.
So I scuttled and started on another island. The behaviour confused me.

Sometimes is just out of breaking up the monotony of Adventure mode. Sometimes even a challenge if we can accomplish one of our own set goals. One time we were closing up a night session, and saw a galleon. We decided to try and hide on their ship. Three of us make it aboard and stayed hidden for around 20 minutes. We get caught, and decide on a change of plans. We commandeer the ship and now try to use their ship to sink the nearby ship, while defending them from taking their ship back. Long story short, we succeed and sink the other ship and give the loot from the recently sunk ship. Laughs were had, but they could have scuttled. This crew wasn't even targeted specifically, our crew doesn't do that. If we see a ship like a Galleon we treat them like any other group.

@nabberwar Sounds like fun and I can easily see the reason for your actions... The question arose due to something that happened last night whilst I was playing. The fun being had by the aggressors was less obvious to the one you describe.

A Galleon came up on me, (I was on my own on a sloop) they fired a few holes in my boat which lowered my anchor, bringing me to a halt. A pirate then boarded me and killed me. I had no loot so thought nothing of it.

I thought, "well, I may as well fight on till I sink"
When I respawned 3 pirates in total were aboard, one was fixing the holes in my boat and bailing. the other two killed me again

I thought "Well that's weird, 3 on 1 is hardly a challenge, I wonder what they're doing, why fix my boat?"
So I respawned. This time, all three pirates hacked me down and my boat was dry and hole less.

I spawned one more time and quickly perished.

I thought, "Well, sod this for a laugh, no point in respawning, just die over and over, not sure why they fixed my boat, not sure why they are spawn killing me, if they want my resources I'm not going to make it easy for them, I have all my cursed cannonballs and Fish in my pockets" So I scuttled and went on my merry way.

@bumbumbac said in People that board you, kill you, but then fix your boat, bail out the water but keep killing you.:

I would honestly challenge anyone trying to justify their griefing as a way to restock supply ... it's the least effective way of gathering resources so either they are very poor decision makers or flat out liars. Which one is it boys?

It is anything but. Sure, if you have to chase a ship halfway around the world (which is rare if you can sail and zone well), then it's not, but chances are they also have some loot at that point, which alone makes it worth it. Being able to get the jump on some ship, lock them down, and find that they have even starter supplies is typically much faster than supplying from islands. Not only are all the resources concentrated in only three barrels, but parking your ship right next to them reduces the distance to travel to almost nothing. Especially if you have supply crates, the whole ordeal can be finished in under a minute. It's even faster if you can extort the supplies from them, which does actually work half the time. If they don't have anything, only very low levels of supplies, or scuttle immediately then you just move on. The whole check-in takes very little time. It's usually something to do while checking over someone's ship for treasure anyway.

Like @Octopus-Lime said, I also usually leave ships whole and floating afterward, unless the crew starts shooting/boarding my own ship. Then it's a matter of whether we can get them to stop or not without resorting to sinking them

Imo, outside of this, floating barrels are definitely the second best way to resupply due to their high-ish concentrations of supplies per barrel, followed by sunken wrecks (mostly for meat), then forts, then islands. Forts only jump up to #1 if you really want kegs, since they're the only reliable place for them. My crew tends to avoid using them on anything except sloops though, since they're a huge liability the less maneuverable you are.

@ambiguousmonk Cool. I thought restocking may have been their intention.
I think in this situation I would always choose to scuttle early if I was the victim and on my own against a superior crew.
Better to start on anew on a boat with starter stock than sail on in a boat with nothing. (Unless I was half way through an Tall Tale and had a quest item on board)
I think if people understand the strategy and reason behind why people do this it would help them feel okay when it happens to them.
It's not toxic, griefing or nasty. It's just good tactics.

Top tip: always keep your cursed cannon balls and rare fish in your pockets. You'll respawn with them after scuttling.

@bugaboo-bill The other Guybrush is gonna be confused as to why he was tagged in this post :D

@bumbumbac said in People that board you, kill you, but then fix your boat, bail out the water but keep killing you.:

it's the least effective way of gathering resources so either they are very poor decision makers or flat out liars. Which one is it boys?

You call potentially getting 100+ of all ressources, meat, fishes and cursed canonballs on top, at a single place inefficient?

I personally don't do it outside of the handful of supplies I can nab while sinking a ship "normally" but it's not like there is no gameplay reason whatsoever and no gain to it either, let's be real.

If you are getting farmed, you already lost. You can deny all those supplies and cut short your torture anytime you like.

They just want to play melee fighting a little since they dont get the opportunity to test melee play often and when they do its over in 30 sec... even in arena they do it sometimes but well even i now appreciate it so i can learn to fight better in melee :")

Would be nice to have a arena duelling mode for practise! Melee in this game is still prety chaotic and hard and fast its difficult to have a nice swordfight and to use blocking etc.. i could really use a duelling mode to learn how to use the melee options :(

@faceyourdemon Yeah sorry, think I forgot to say I was in a sloop. Guess they were trying to just grab my resources. I didn't feel grief at scuttling my boat, so I guess I wasn't griefed.
Yeah, 3 on 1 did feel a bit rubbish. I hope they were planning on just taking my resources and then leaving me alone. Shame none of them seemed to have mics.
Glad I didn't have a Tall Tales artefact on board, then I would have felt pressurized into the circle of death.

@hynieth Why did you need to board to talk? Could have hung on the ladder or stayed in the water. Not like you needed to be face to face.
Anyone boards my ship, they get killed.